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**Rommel393** · July 26, 2001, 23:21

I dont think we should let too many more people join. A club, just like a gaming clan, loses its potency after too many people join. When there are many and you talk, everyone's like: big deal. Your part of the pessimist club.... so is everyone else. It takes away the exclusivity of the club. Thanks for the compliment on my motto yin. If we were all to come up with our own mottos maybe we should just run it past Yin? He knows the mission the best so he could tell you if its applicable. How about it?

**Imran Siddiqui** · July 26, 2001, 23:55

BOOOOOO!

The enemy! We shall bring you down

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**yin26** · July 27, 2001, 00:29

I dont think we should let too many more people join.

I understand your point, but the goal here is to express to Firaxis in a significant way (ex: LOTS of people) that we are here in big numbers looking for big updates, discussions, etc. But I wouldn't really worry too much because once Imran brings in his troops, we might be BEGGING for members.

**connorkimbro** · July 27, 2001, 00:57

Like another here mentioned. . i am largely an optimist that realizes that Firaxis NEEDS the community to help them make the greatest game possible. And hopefully, THEY realize that as well. WE are the consumers here, the demands are ours to make!

But I believe firaxis will do well.

**tniem** · July 27, 2001, 01:47

Hey yin, the mission statement that you wrote is exactly the statement that should be attached to all members of the forums whether they join your club or not. Every little suggestion we make should help better the game.

**Beckdawg** · July 27, 2001, 02:14

well ok yin since i can't spread too much drunkin cheer why don't i make them an offer they can't refuse? i will offer them 2 12 packs and a copy of Top Gun if they get the game done by say.... end of August lol. However, if they decide that offer isn't good enough i will fire bomb there house! Me and my cousin Vinny will "creatively" make them work harder

lol

**Warm Beer** · July 27, 2001, 02:18

You know, Yin, I have read your fears and concerns and can identify with them. Heck, in another thread I mentioned the "Yin's civ 2.5 crowd", of which, I concider myself a part of. Yet, I am not sure I am ready to appy for membership to your group.

What I am asking for, however, is the chance to be admitted if August comes and we have not heard encouraging words from Firaxis... I want to be positive, but that would put me over the edge. I want this game to be good. I want to be excited and positive...., I need to quote one of my favorite actors (Samuel L Jackson) to sum up my attitude toward Civ3...

"But I'm tryin'. I'm tryin' real hard to be a shepherd."

It almost seems like we can come up with a historical quote to sum up the attitude Firaxis is taking with all the Civ fans... might even make a catchy corporate motto: "Sid Meier's Civilization III: Let them eat cake."

**Beckdawg** · July 27, 2001, 02:21

hey yin i can be the jolly drunk enforcer of the group if you would like lol

haha just think of me as santa clause with a really pissed off attitude lol

**yin26** · July 27, 2001, 02:35

Warm Beer: Sounds fair enough for me. According to your conditions, I actually HOPE you don't need to join.

Beckdawg: Just remember that using a beer bottle in a fight is a felony.

**TechWins** · July 27, 2001, 02:36

I like your vision statement a lot Yin. It sounds a little bit like something I stated defending your review. I'm optimistic about the game but I do believe in your vision statement. I would like to become a member of your club. Under one cirumstance that you start asking people why they should be accepted to the club. People shouldn't be able to join your club unless they have a valid reason about why they truely want to join.

The reason why I want to join is for this "We do this NOT to detract from Civ 3's creation but, rather, to help guide it to the greatest possible success.". I couldn't agree more with that statement. For this game to truely be the "people's game" everybody needs to criticize the parts of the game they don't like. In doing this criticism, Firaxis will hear out the people and make some changes to that part of the game people dislike. If we don't criticize we won't get the game we want. So my motto would be "accepting faults won't lead to perfection, criticizing faults will lead to resolvement, and ultimately creating the perfect game, the people's game".

**yin26** · July 27, 2001, 02:41

TechWins: Thanks for the very kind support. I won't add you just yet until you feel comfortable with my thinking about membership, which is this:

By joining, I hoped it was obvious people are agreeing to the vision statement and my comments about NOT bashing Firaxis. If I had to ask each person, it would be a real mess. If you like, I can make that somehow more obvious that "when you join, you are agreeing to these principles" or something, if you like.

Let me know. I'd love to have you join, and I REALLY like your motto.

**Beckdawg** · July 27, 2001, 02:41

Ok so i wont use a bottle in the fight lol. But it isn't illigeal unless you get caught. "But judge i swear i don't remember hitting Sid with the bottle and i didn't have a drink ALL NIGHT!" lol Well if i mess up too much i will just burry him with jimmy hoffa. I still like that fire bombing idea lol

**TechWins** · July 27, 2001, 02:57

Yin, those terms are acceptable. I thought if everybody stated why they feel they should be accepted that might limit the amount of people who would join. Some people might not be able to come up with a valid reason or some people might not stating why they feel that they should be accepted. So yes I would like to join your club still.

By the way, I don't think you have the dates right on when people became members. I think it should be 26/7. I thought you might like to know that.

**Beckdawg** · July 27, 2001, 03:01

well yin i am gone like a fart in the wind but if any nay sayers....or would they be yea sayers.....well whoever we are against lol come mouthing give me a ring a ding ding. i will get my 40 ozer out and lay some smack down. haha that would be classic reminds me of the song by weird al the night santa went crazy lol THAT'S ME! Peace and down w/ the optimists

**H Tower** · July 27, 2001, 03:35

First club discussion?

as one of the club's first discussion's i'd like to raise the subject of the sim golf chat that happened yesterday. did anyone else watch and were you as sickened as I was? Sid gave an example of an unhappy couple doing a round of golf, they're "discussion" turned from "i'm unhappy" to "lets start a baby tonight!" Maybe it is a good idea for firaxis to be doing two games at once... otherwise the sim golf programmers could be writing the advisor's comments

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