No corruption in communism don't let me laugh

[KrazyHorse]

It wasn't a political statement; it had to do with Stalin "raping the land", as Imran so delicately put it. I wished to demonstrate that Uncle Joe was amorously inclined towards the Earth, and if it said "no", then he couldn't be held responsible for his actions.

Or, I was bored and wanted to fiddle around with MSPaint.

[Juggernaut]

it was nice. you are very talented.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by uncle_funk
i guess krazyhorse is not.

Actually, I am.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Actually, I am.

If you are then drop in in the Off Topic forum from time to time. It's where we burst Yankees' capitalist illusions

[KrazyHorse]

You haven't seen me there yet? I'm even on Zhu's "Apolyton Quotes" thread about four times.

[Juggernaut]

love, freedom, capitalism

[kolpo]

first I was refering here to USSR, Mao, North Korean,... communism so the most radical forms of it I wasn't refering to socialism I like the moderate version of it myself.

I think there is tons of evidence that the USSR was very corrupt. Just go to Eastern Europe(I have been there and have met nobody who didn't said that the USSR was corrupt) and ask the people there what they had to do to get the good jobs, who got them. How much money the party leaders putted in there own pockets. Just look how much more food the party members in North Korea have then the actual leaders. You can judege a government only on the practice and not on the theory, some governments taht sound great in theory are very worse in practice.

I think that socialism should be a separte government based on Swedish socialism(they where for a long time the big excample for many European socialistic parties). But socialism is something completely differnt then communism, communism is one of the biggest enemies of socialism. Socialism defent democrasy and human rights, communism hates it.

Modern socialism in general accepts the fact that capitalism is the best economic system but they want to make it more human or to create 'human capitalism'. So to reflect that should socialism have the ability to put money in social security, ever 2 gold putted in it makes one unha

[kolpo]

first I was refering here to USSR, Mao, North Korean,... communism so the most radical forms of it I wasn't refering to socialism I like the moderate version of it myself.

I think there is tons of evidence that the USSR was very corrupt. Just go to Eastern Europe(I have been there and have met nobody who didn't said that the USSR was corrupt) and ask the people there what they had to do to get the good jobs, who got them. How much money the party leaders putted in there own pockets. Just look how much more food the party members in North Korea have then the actual leaders. You can judege a government only on the practice and not on the theory, some governments taht sound great in theory are very worse in practice.

I think that socialism should be a separte government based on Swedish socialism(they where for a long time the big excample for many European socialistic parties). But socialism is something completely differnt then communism, communism is one of the biggest enemies of socialism. Socialism defent democrasy and human rights, communism hates it.

Modern socialism in general accepts the fact that capitalism is the best economic system but they want to make it more human or to create 'human capitalism'. So to reflect that should socialism have the ability to put money in social security, ever 1 old putted in it makes one unhappy citizen happy. If everyone is content can it make people happy if the city has schools, universities, and all other forms of buildings that socialists find important.

[Deathwalker]

I think that ion every goverment you have coruption, just look at any type of goverment from democracy, communism to enything that all have it just the more free you are the more iduvguals do it e.g politcians get bribes by companys or in communism it was the party that got corrupt. In our world ever goverment has corupt people in it some more than others but it's always there.

[kolpo]

ooch it should be : ever 1 gold putted in it makes one unhappy citizen content.

and the bad point of this goverment should be military. Most left winged parties are pacifistic, and polution should make unhappy in this goverment(most of them are also quite green)

oh and some other examples of this: labour, Left wing of American Democrats, French socialism, Belgian socialism, some of the green parties in Europe. So in fact the modern moderate left wing.

[Juggernaut]

communism is one of the biggest enemies of socialism

i´m not really sure where you got this from. communism and socialism is close related, they´re both sprung from the marxism. they´re quite similar, communism being the more extreme ideology.

Socialism defent democrasy and human rights, communism hates it.

the communist´s utopia is a class-free society where noone lives through the other´s work. you call that hate of human rights? and nor communism or socialism is a quite good democracy.

[Fidel]

Originally posted by uncle_funk


i´m not really sure where you got this from. communism and socialism is close related, they´re both sprung from the marxism. they´re quite similar, communism being the more extreme ideology.



the communist´s utopia is a class-free society where noone lives through the other´s work. you call that hate of human rights? and nor communism or socialism is a quite good democracy.

very simple
communism is a concept, a utopia. never existed, people just got vague idea what it should be like. even marx did not have a clear idea.
socialism is its ugly real face. say you pull a girl (i know this is sexist but i guess it is all us nerdy boys on these boards) when you are drunk and she is like gorgeous...makeup and all. when you wake up in the morning, she's a moose
that's communism - socialism difference for you.

[Juggernaut]

socialism is its ugly real face. say you pull a girl (i know this is sexist but i guess it is all us nerdy boys on these boards) when you are drunk and she is like gorgeous...makeup and all. when you wake up in the morning, she's a moose

EeeH?

i don't get why socialism is getting bullied here all the time. it's like communism, only more mawkish and to the right. it´s a compromise.

by the way, LaRusso, is your first name Daniel?

[To_Serve_Man]

If you wish to preach about your Lord and Savior Karl Marx, I advise you to check out the Off Topic Forum .

aww man, i really didnt mean it to sound as though I was preaching.. sorry if I got carried away, I was just babaling and saying things that came to my head. Hope we can still be friends ... anyway, over night his thread has become very big. Maybe we should start talking about Civ3 Communism, not what it was or aught to be or why or whatever. I think one of the biggest things Communism should do in Civ3 is maybe totaly negate the Distance from the Capitol deal... if thats still around in those times. I also think it would be an interesting Idea, if one civ could FORCE another civ into a certain government type. (i'm kinda stealing this idea from a few games, mostly Europa Universalis' Catholic-Counter Reform and the Muslems ability to make nations change religions in peace agreements). Not only could this be another form of attack, it can promote Cold War type feelings in Civ3 differently than having a Nuclear Arms race or having several large alliances between players. What does everyone think??

[Juggernaut]

I also think it would be an interesting Idea, if one civ could FORCE another civ into a certain government type.

like i said in another thread recently, i´m totally with all that, it´s one of things i've been missing the most in the civ games.

two civs with totally different govs should NOT have a neutral attitude as default between them.