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  • #61
    [private letter to Cardinal Clarmari]

    To my recolection, Senor de la Civ was the only person to know of the whereabouts of Senor GodKing. If he shared those whereabouts with another person, perhaps he is guilty of other crimes as well.

    I agree it is clear that Senor GodKing was murdered and it was not an act of suicide, the medial evidence shows there's no probability for it.

    I will continue to wait for the Royal Senschel to testify. But in the mean time I plan to futher examine Senor Torquemada and Senor de la Civ.

    I also have more evidence to present to this "joke" of a Tribunal. It seems as if Senor Torquemada is very interested in providing protection to Senor de la Civ even though his guilt has already been proven. I think thoose two are in cahoots. The Pope may have to remove Senor Torquemada from his post on this Tribunal and as a Cardinal if he keeps this up.

    I hope that he changes his ways soon for the good of the Church and Spain.

    Respectfully,
    Senor Libre

    [/private letter to Cardinal Clarmari]



    If it pleases the Tribunal, i have further evidence I would like to submit along with some following questions to both Senor de la Civ and Senor Christofo de Torquemada.

    First I present these recorded statements from both of the men I just mentioned. I will provide comments after each statement to help the Tribunal follow the line of reasoning behind them. I know how much trouble the Tribunal has had in the past following allong with the evidences I have provided so I will hold your hand to make it easier for you to understand.


    Originally posted by civman2000
    Bishop Nuclearis, I will aid you in your pursuit of the heretic! Should he continue to resist the orders and law of God, the King, and the Pope, his evil life will end on my sword! I also believe that he has used his evil powers given to him by the Devil to kill my brother! He had recently had some dealings with GodKing, and then he suddenly comes down with a horrible illness! There must be some connection!

    Roberto de la Civ, Knight of the Church

    Here, Senor de la Civ gives clear indication that he has very angry feelings towards Senor GodKing. He even tells the Bishop that he would kill Senor GodKing in part due to Senor de las civ's belief that Senor GodKing murdered his brother. This also shows clear motive on the part of Senor de la Civ.

    Originally posted by civman2000
    Esteemed Cardinal, I will do so immediately.

    Roberto de la Civ

    Two weeks later, on a boat heading towards GodKing's island of exile:
    "Die, murderer, die!"

    Later that day: A group of fishermen come to the exact spot where the aforementioned boat was. They see a red spot in the water. They decide to investigate, and find a head without a body! One of them recognizes it as that of GodKing, having seen a portrait of him on a poster...

    Two more weeks later, Roberto de la Civ returns just in time to celebrate the birth of his son, who he named Roberto. (from now on the son will be Roberto Menor de la Civ (Roberto the Younger) and the father will be Roberto Mayor de la Civ (Roberto the Elder))
    Senor de la Civ's was heard to say, "Die, murderer, die!". I submit to the court that the boat never even reached the island, as Senor GodKing has tesified to. Since on the same day blood was found in the exact spot of the location in which the previous shout of Senor de la Civ's was heard; and since the head was found in the same spot it shows that this is where the Murder of Senor GodKing took place. This directly coontradicts Senor de la Civ's earlier testimony that he had delivered Senor GodKing to his place of exile and cut off his hand. Side note: A clear mistake on behalf of Senor de la Civ, since the body was found to have both hands intact.


    Originally posted by DAVOUT


    - de la Civ, a proud caballero of the noblest origin who has volonteered to hunt the evil Godking, and who knows him well enough to testify on the darkest heresies he had invented, and any others you would like to hear.

    Inquisitorially yours,

    Christofo de Torquemada.
    Here Senor Torquemada verifies that Senor GodKing has told him that he plans to "hunt" Senor GodKing.


    Originally posted by DAVOUT
    *Hum, the Cardinal Calamari is indulgent beyond expectations. And he was specially appointed by the Pope himself. Interesting ....*

    Senor de la Civ,

    For your eyes only

    I can understand your anger. This story about water in the head of Godking is a joke. Never a drop of water made its way to the mouth of Godking, let alone his brain. Beer would have been a possibility, though.

    You have notice that the accused has not confessed his crimes, that he did not express any repentance. This is proper ground for annulment.

    I have obtained extremely good results for obtaining confessions assorted with as much repentance as you like with a totally new method : you spread strawberry jam under the feet of Godking, and you bring a goat which will happily lick the jam. Nobody can bear this.

    Therefore you should volonteer again to transport Godking to the place where he will be kept, and on the way you could spare a few minutes for getting his confession. With that we would ask the Pope to cancel the too friendly judgement.


    Friendly yours

    Christofo de Torquemada
    Here Senor Torquemada verifies that he does not support the judgement on the Inquistion to exile Senor GodKing. He asks Senor de la Civ to use 'other means' to get a confession out of Senor GodKing, an action not endorsed by the Church and thus illegal. Senor Torquemada does not ask for Senor GodKing to be murdered by Senor de la Civ, but he clearly asks that he do things that are against the order of the church. At the very least he put an idea inot Senor de la Civ's furious head to somehow get the duyt of providing transport to the place of exile where he can do as he pleases with Senor GodKing on the way there, in the privacy of the wide open sea.




    Originally posted by History Guy
    (struggling, in a crate, behind iron bars, is Senor GodKing, foaming, shouting, and biting)

    We've got him now, and are releasing him only in the mountains. Senor de la Civ, I entrust the commission to you and to the Bailiff. You will carry his crate into the mountains, take him in a boat across the water, and release him into the wilderness on one of our distant islands. You alone shall be given the map of how to return, and if Senor GodKing follows, do your best to stop him without shedding his blood. His life is in God's hands now, it is for God to decide what to do with him. He shall never harm anyone in Spain again, nor shall he see anyone ever again. The island is a large one, he has land to himself to think over what he has done and repent before His Maker. So it shall be.

    Cardinal Calamari
    This shows that Cardinal Calamari entrusted the safe passage of Senor GodKing to his place of exile to Senor de la Civ. It also shows that Senor de la Civ was the ONLY one given directions to the place of exile for Senor GodKing, so no one else could have wnet there after him. Senor de la Civ was also ordered not to shed his blood, which he has no doubt done. Senor de la Civ has violated orders of the Church

    Originally posted by civman2000

    As far as I know he is still alive. The only way he could be dead is if someone somehow followed my boat and killed him, for when I arrived at the island it was clear that he could survive there for a long time.

    Roberto de la Civ
    Senor de la Civ's statements that he arrived at the island are ludicrous. He wants us to believe that he made his way there and back in just 4 weeks total when we know that it takes just over 4 weeks to get there one way and longer getting back because the currents are different on the way back. Senor de la Civ reports a 2 week trip there and a 2 week trip back. That is impossible.


    I had hoped not to have to drag this trial out any further or to incriminate other parties, espeacially those with connections to the church, but Senor Torquemada has made this neccesary. I apologize to the Church if I have made this trial unduly long, but I believe that justice must be carried out against Senor de la Civ and his accomplice...

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    • #62
      OOC: No one heard Roberto yell when he killed GK. It was out in the middle or nowhere, and it was an incredible coincidence that anyone found the body at all. Also, I wonder how you got your hands on Torquemada's letter. After, it was for Roberto's eyes only.

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      • #63
        [OOC] Won't you be surprised when a fisherman comes forward and says that he heard you say that just through the fog...Which is believable since the same boat he was on found the head just soon after you left the area.

        Since you have been held in protective custody your residence has been without your presence; perhaps it was your wife who brought me the letter from Torquemada, though I am not at complete liberty to say who might have also done so....
        [/ooc]

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        • #64
          You have access to information that tells us what the tattoed serial number on Senor GodKing was, do you not?
          Yes, I do.

          Does that serial number match identically to the headless body that I have procalimed to be that of Senor GodKing?
          After examination, I can conclude without a doubt that the number on the wrist is the same marking branded during his imprisionment. I would like to respectfully point out, however, that it is questionable whether or not it is indeed the same body even though the serial number on the wrist is identical. It may well be that this is a different body with GodKing's chopped off hand sewed on, or magicked on. It is impossible to tell.

          Is the birth mark, as described and logged by Spains prison system not match that of the birth mark found on the headless body that I proclaim to be Senor GodKing?
          Yes, it does.

          Have you noticed Senor de la Civ acting in strange manners before and up to the exile of Senor GodKing?
          Yes. Whether this was something profound or simply stress, say from the upcoming birth, I cannot tell.

          Has his attitude changed since Senor de la Civ has returned from his trip that exiled Senor GodKing?
          Yes, of course. I think this is obvious, and I do not beleive it can be attributed solely to the birth of his child.

          Do you have any evidence that you would like to bring to the attention of this Tribunal?
          I ordered Senor de la Civ to be put under guard almost immediatly after this affair began. In addition to my stated reasoning then, I inform the court that I did so because I beleived that evidence might be brought forth implicating Senor de la Civ, as indeed occurred, and I beleived that Senor de la Civ, in his apparant instability, might have caused further harm. It seemed only logical that Senor de la Civ be the first suspect in the murder, as he had the only reasonable access, and it seems to me to be so now. Whether or not he is guilty of this crime I cannot say.
          "The Enrichment Center is required to inform you that you will be baked, and then there will be cake"
          Former President, C3SPDGI

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          • #65
            OOC: Well I control both the fisherman characters and I say they didn't hear the yell, but I'll say Caterina gave you the letter.

            Letter from Caterina Ordonez de la Civ to Daniel de la Civ
            Dear adopted nephew-in-law,
            As you know, my wife and your uncle is on trial for the murder of the heretic GodKing. He is obviously guilty, and I have sped the process up by giving some information to the prosecution. in the inevitable even that he is found guilty, I request your aid in two matters. First, I would like you to help me plead for his life, which may likely be taken away by the trial. Furthermore, I would like your help in raising Roberto Menor. Just as your father adopted you from a mother whose husband abandoned her, I hope that you will be willing to adopt your father's nephew whose father is a bad man.
            Caterina

            Reply:
            Dear Caterina
            I would be wuite willing to help in these matters as much as you would like. I agree that Roberto is guilty.
            Daniel

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            • #66
              From the saince (sp?) held by Madm. Ayudun de la BigFree Thud y Civ:

              Just because I am dead does that mean that I was killed?

              What proof was it that a sword did the chopping. Could it not have been an axe, or perhaps a sharp rock, say obsidian, of which the islands are known to be full of?

              I have no memory of the event, just of a falling sensation with a sharp pain that was over quickly.

              Ghost of GK
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              • #67
                Originally posted by History Guy
                [private letter to the Pope]

                Forgive me if I appear overzealous

                [/private letter to the Pope]

                Overzealous.

                Nicest understatement yet heard in this Tribunal.
                Statistical anomaly.
                The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by BigFree
                  Señor Torquemada, while we wait for the tesitmony of the Royal Seneschel, will you concede that the body before you is in fact Senor GodKing?

                  Thank you Senor Libre, I know perfectly well that the Cardinal Calamari knows everything about this case, and has an opinion about any issue. I wonder sometimes if he has not seen the murder committed. I dont know if the stinking amont of corrupted meat that you name Godking is really the remains of this evil heretic, but I ackowledge that the Cardinal Calamari said it is. If the Royal Seneschel testify that he has seen with his own eyes, at the time the body was recovered in the water, the number that he legitimely knew, I will acknowledge that two witnesses have identified the body.
                  Statistical anomaly.
                  The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by History Guy
                    [private letter to the Pope]

                    I have been, Your Holiness, following this case quite closely. Forgive me if I appear overzealous, but I felt that the murder directly challenged the weight and might of the Inquisition and of the entire Church, and thus could not be ignored.

                    However, I must submit that what suggestions this Grand Inquisitor have put forward, that it was suicide or an accident, are all fluff, sheer attempts to get the killer off the hook.

                    We have established that it was not suicide. How could it have been an accident? Moreover...a shaving accident? Do you shave with a sword? Who does? And may I ask how he was able to get such a long blade into his possession when he had been left nothing but his clothing?

                    I have sincere doubts over the validity of these arguments.

                    Cardinal Calamari

                    [/private letter to the Pope]
                    For once, I agree with the hyperzealous Cardinal; yes the entire Church has a problem with this trial because it should not be judged by the Tribunal of the Inquisition. No heresy has been discovered and must be eradicated. We are judging a very ordinary possible murder which should have been submitted to secular judges.

                    I suggest that we close quickly this case on the condemnation of de la Civ, for having presented himself to the Tribunal with shoes not brushed, to reciting three Pater and three Ave.
                    Statistical anomaly.
                    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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                    • #70
                      Senor Torquemada,

                      Am I to gather that you have been stealing my private correspondence to the Pope?

                      Cardinal Calamari
                      Empire growing,
                      Pleasures flowing,
                      Fortune smiles and so should you.

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                      • #71
                        Your Eminence,

                        As you certainly remember, my office is also in charge, in addition to my other duties, of improving the spelling of the Spaniards. Therefore, some specialists of mine open all letters and check the spelling.

                        However, our standard checking procedure provides for an exemption of Cardinal Calamari correspondance who is well known to be amongst the top most litterate Spaniards ever. It is only an untoward mistake that resulted in your letter slipping from the stack *spelling OK* to the stack *to be checked*.

                        As a compensation, please have the first reading of my next letter to the Pope :

                        -------------------------------------------
                        Your Sainctity,

                        May I take the liberty to tell you that you and the Church are really fortunate to enjoy the assistance of a Cardinal as talented as the Cardinal Calamari; his spelling is really wonderful.

                        Your obeying son, etc
                        ---------------------------------------

                        Hoping that this incident will be soone forgiven by your Eminence, I remain your frankly frowning friend,

                        Christofo de Torquemada
                        Statistical anomaly.
                        The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by DAVOUT
                          For once, I agree with the hyperzealous Cardinal; yes the entire Church has a problem with this trial because it should not be judged by the Tribunal of the Inquisition. No heresy has been discovered and must be eradicated. We are judging a very ordinary possible murder which should have been submitted to secular judges.

                          I suggest that we close quickly this case on the condemnation of de la Civ, for having presented himself to the Tribunal with shoes not brushed, to reciting three Pater and three Ave.
                          [letter to the Inquisition]

                          Dear Señor Torquemada, Cardinal Tacticus, Cardinal Winterius and Señor Libre,

                          The Inquisition has the power and the duty to judge any trial because of the absence of a national judicial system in Spain. After the new government type was adopted, it was decided that the Church would be responsible for the adjudgement of criminals. The Church has the right to have its own laws and any christian and any Spaniard are subject to these laws.
                          Because of these reasons I rule that this case shall not be closed, but that the Tribunal of the Inquisition shall make a judgement.

                          I have provided a new set of rules that apply to this trial and will be implemented in the Law on the Inquisition after the trial.

                          Sincerely,

                          Pope Aidun I
                          "Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise can not see all ends." - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring.
                          Term 9 and 10 Domestic Minister of the C3DG I., Term 8 Regional Governor of Old Persia in the C3DG and proud citizen of Apolyton. Royal Ambassador to Legoland in the C3 PTW DG, Foreign Affairs Minister and King of the United Kingdom in the MZO C3CDG and leader of the Monarchist Imperialist team. Moody Sir Aidun (The Impatient) of the Holy Templar Order in the C4BtSDG

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                          • #73
                            Juges Tacticus and Winterus,

                            We have suddenly got more responsibilities and workload. I think that we should be granted rewards in due proportion of this increase.

                            The trial of the murderer of Godking is now a secular case. The Church has laws which will in most instances perfectly apply to secular crimes, but there is one point which must be handled differently : the area of competence of the Tribunal of Inquisition.

                            In the whole known world, nobody will deny the right and capacity of the Tribunal of Inquisition to judge heresy, wherever it occurs. But this Tribunal was delegated the secular justice powers within the Kingdom of Spain, that is, within the boundaries of this kingdom. Any crime committed outside the borders of the Kingdom have to be judged by the Tribunal territorially competent.

                            Godking was banned in a lost island, beyond the sea, deliberately choosen because this place was outside the Kingdom. The Prosecutor demonstrated that he was killed a few minutes after landing. This implies that the crime was committed outside the Kingdom of Spain, and consequently that the case cannot be juge by this Tribunal.

                            Therefore, if we have knowledge of no other infraction committed by de la Civ, we must let him go.

                            Of course, if any court of a foreign kingdom claims de la Civ for the murder of Godking, we could be brought, depending of the state of our relations with this kingdom, to deliver de la Civ to them, but until that the case should be closed.

                            I ask your advice and opinion on this interpretation.
                            Statistical anomaly.
                            The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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                            • #74
                              Señor Torquemada,

                              I kindly ask you continue with this trial or I have two options:

                              I will ask the King to invade this island temporarily so that it IS part of the kingdom of Spain

                              Or I can order the Swiss Guards to invade this island so that I myself am sovereign ruler of the particular island and can do whatever I please with it and any crimes committed on it. I could then even refuse to grant the Inquisition the right to function as court on this island.

                              To you is the choice.


                              With kindest regards,

                              Pope Aidun I
                              "Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise can not see all ends." - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring.
                              Term 9 and 10 Domestic Minister of the C3DG I., Term 8 Regional Governor of Old Persia in the C3DG and proud citizen of Apolyton. Royal Ambassador to Legoland in the C3 PTW DG, Foreign Affairs Minister and King of the United Kingdom in the MZO C3CDG and leader of the Monarchist Imperialist team. Moody Sir Aidun (The Impatient) of the Holy Templar Order in the C4BtSDG

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                              • #75
                                Your Sainctity,

                                I can only understand your proposal as a recognition of the rightness of my interpretation.

                                I do not take lightly the responsibility of Head of the Inquisition toward the Church and the Kingdom, and I would never consent to fabricate facts in order to meet objectives contrary to the justice as it is reflected by current laws.

                                You offer a deshonorable choice, probably knowing that I value my honor much more than my life. I choose the death, asking my King and my family to forgive me.
                                Statistical anomaly.
                                The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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