Next turn plans 60AD to 1240AD

[Kloreep]

Re: LEF4, I'm not sure if it will be necessary. Perhaps GS has some forces in the wings, but Pamplona is likely going to put RP out of the battle for Bob.

[ZargonX]

I am inclined to agree with Kloreep. I think perhaps sending LEF4 is not necessary. Unless GoW or ND specifically requests more troops, I think we should just stick with what we have.

[redstar1]

Agreed. Surely we are going to have little need for more troops on Bob. We should start concentrating on a defensive policy for Lego....

[lmtoops]

As it stands, it very questionable whether LEF1, 2, and 3 will see any action. I don't see a need for LEF4.

Am I (and others) missing something?

[vondrack]

Most likely, there really is no need for LEF4. I thought that having three more knights over on Bob might strenghten our negotiating position in case things do not go exactly our way (either way), but after checking with the allies this evening, it seems even they do not feel any urgent need for LEF4.

So, let's keep all our knights beyond LEF1-3 on Legos, ready to sail over to Bob if needs be (with ships ready).

(alliance chatlog to be posted shortly)

EDIT: I also did not want to have us look as "backing out of the conflict" - but if our allies themselves said they saw no need for more Lego troops on Bob, it's just fine.

[vondrack]

Alright - reviewed the save and found only two very minor improvements (one thanks to the newly uncovered bonus grassland in the Jackson radius, the other one in Ahhmyfoot - one extra commerce by working the now unworked riverbank plains instead of the mined bonus grass; no shield loss thanks to the pop growth) and one mix-up (Ming left F'ville last turn, so he can't be sent down towards Oasis).

Going to play the turn now.

[vondrack]

Plans for 310AD (Turn 147):


Unit Movement/Actions

1) L.V. to move W-W-NW, then fortify
2) J.K. to move W-W-SW skip turn, then fortify waiting for LEF4
3) N.C. to move N-N and fortify
to extend the maritime area we can "see" (early warning screen... just in case)

4) G.B. to move W-W-SW, returning home

5) I.N. to move N-N and N or NW, depending on if N is ocean or not

6) G.G. to move S-S-W, scouting


7) Minos to move SE and fortify in Forkmouth
8) Merril to fortify in Farmerville
9) St. Merc to move SW and fortify in Karina
10) Dyetrich to move SW and fortify in Ahhmyfoot
11) Merc Twain to move S towards the Tipperary site
12) Darth Merc to fortify in Tiberium

13) Gareth to move SE-E-E-SE-S, then fortify in the Zargonia-Crossing white camp (will become part of LEF4)

14) LEF1 (Troy, Hunter, Victor) to move E-E, then fortify
15) LEF2 (Misty, Silver, Attila) to move NW-N
16) LEF3 (Arthur, Horace, Lancelot) to move NE-NE

17) Settler 'Horsefish' to move SW towards the Horsefish site
18) MercG to move SW, escorting Horsefish

19) new catapult finished in Red Bricks to be named 'Trasher' and moved SE-S-SE, towards the TarZar white camp

19a) Alexander to move S-SE-S-S and fortify in the TarZar white camp; will become part of LEF4


Worker Movement/Actions

20) Charlie to road, then mine

21) Stanley to road

22) White to move SW, then clear jungle
23) Yellow to move SW, then clear jungle
see the GA thread for the Dye Fields plan

24) Adam to road, connecting the saltpeter

25) Frank Jr. to road, connecting saltpeter

26) Fritz to road

27) George to road, then mine

28) Jason Jr. to move N, then road towards the Castlea site

29) Jack to road, then mine

30) Rover to mine
31) Luke to move SE and mine, helping Rover

32) Chris to mine

33) Jimbo to mine

34) Ken to move W-W, then road


City Management

35) Legopolis to work all improved riverbank tiles and two irrigated grasslands

36) reassign Red Bricks labourer from the roaded/irrigated grassland SW back to the roaded/mined regular grassland W-SW of the city

37) Logville to work wheat, both full improved hills, irrigated grass, irrigated plains, and 1 irrigated grass

38) reassign Tarzania labourer from a hill to the roaded/mined bonus grassland W-SW
courthouse still in 1, 1 extra food

39) Ahhmyfoot to work both irrigated riverbank plains and the roaded/mined bonus grassland SE

40) Crossing to work irrigated grass and two mined hills

41) Tiberium to work all roaded tiles


42) check research slider for possible savings not affecting the M.T. completion

[vondrack]

Plans for 320AD (Turn 148):


Unit Movement/Actions

1) L.V. to move W-NW and fortify, getting ready for ferry duties (LEF5)
2) J.K. to load LEF4 and sail E-E-NE
3) N.C. to move S-S-S, getting ready for ferry duties, if needed
4) G.B. to move S-S-W, returning home
5) I.N. to move N-N-W, scouting
6) G.G. to move S-SW-W, scouting

7) Settler 'Horsefish' to move SW to the Horsefish site
8) MercG to move SW, escorting Horsefish

9) Merc Twain to move S towards the Tipperary site

10) LEF1 (Troy, Hunter, Victor) to move E-E-fortify
11) LEF2 (Misty, Silver, Attila) to move NE-NE
12) LEF3 (Arthur, Horace, Lancelot) to move NE
EDIT: change to LEF3 plan. E-E is impossible. Plus, we want to stay on the road, to get the most out of RoP on the next turn

13) Gareth to move N-N and embark J.K., becoming part of LEF4
14) Alexander to move E-SE and embark J.K., becoming part of LEF4
15) Gawain to move E-SE and embark J.K., becoming part of LEF4

16) Trasher to move SE-SE-SE, towards the TarZar white camp

17) upgrade Mercurio and Merciless (Jackson garrison) to musketmen, getting ready to form LEF5 together with Geraint or Blaster (? discuss!)

18) Meriadoc (D.F.) to move N-NW and fortify
19) Mercus Aurelius (Tarzania) to move NW-N and fortify
20) Merril (F'ville) to move E-E-E, then to TarZar white camp
21) Max Payne (TarZar W.C.) to move N-N-NW
some shuffling aimed at pulling two new vet mercs to Jackson (as the current Jackson garrison should leave for Bob very soon)

22) new settler from F'ville to move NW-NW-NW NW-N-N, moving to found Port Hammer Castlea, completing our Northern city plan
EDIT: I somehow oversought Castlea is still not there...

23) new knight from Panama to be named 'Galahad' and moved SE-SE-SE-SE-E-E


Worker Movement/Actions

24) Jason Jr. to road towards the Castlea site

25) Michael to move NW, then road & irrigate
part of the GA preparations + extending the irrigation system towards the Castlea site

26) White to clear jungle
27) Yellow to clear jungle
see the GA thread for the Dye Fields plan

28) Martin to mine

29) Peter to move S-SE and irrigate
30) Patrick to move S-SE and irrigate
then W&irrigate, bringing water to S'haven

31) Bill to move SE, then road & mine the horse hill

32) Philippe to irrigate

33) Ken to road


City Management

33a) Legopolis to work all 6 hills and all 4 remaining riverbank tiles
with WLTKD gone, we are now having 1 shield wasted in Legopolis; with a food-neutral setup, we will nail Bach's exactly in 5 turns (2 turns faster than with the recent WF setup), getting back to WLTKD and resuming growth only then

34) Jackson to work all 6 grasses and 2 hills (free the hill SW-SW for Legopolis)

35) Farmerville to work all 3 floodplains, both bonus grasses and both roaded/mined regular grasses; start another settler

36) Panama to start another knight

37) reassign Tarzania labourer from the roaded/mined grassland W-SW to the fully improved hill NE of the city; start musketman
37) reassign Tarzania labourer from the fish to the fully improved hill
musket in 5 at -1fpt; we'll do the next musket in 6 at +1fpt to balance that out; we cannot do it the other way round, since some food would be lost at pop 6 and full foodbox

37a) change Sharpehaven production to musketman
we have mercs more than enough, let's switch to muskets wherever possible

37b) reassign Kloreepville labourer from a hill to the irrigated grassland E-NE
we can switch back on the next turn... but if we uncover a bonus grass W-NW, we will gain food this way

38) set the research slider to 30%
Music Theory still in 1 turn, bur more gold to our treasury

39) send saltpeter to GoW as 'accepted'
make sure to upgrade the Jackson mercs and set/change builds for S'haven & Tarzania first

[Tiberius]

39) Check the science slider; we might be able to lower it and still get MT the following turn
Oops, this was already included in the turn plan. Somehow I didn't see it. It must be my age

39) Gift Chivalry to Vox ?

[vondrack]

Originally posted by Tiberius
40) Gift Chivalry to Vox ?

Sounds like a good idea... though, I would first check with Voxes, whether they wish to get it (maybe not, if they are building shield-cheap horses, intending to upgrade them later...

[vondrack]

Something important has been brought up in the alliance chat today. I told Aggie we have just hooked up our first saltpeter (and would be able to send it, if needed). He asked me to send it, in order to allow both GoW and ND keep upgrading their defenders (they seem to have only one source for both of them ATM).

I believe it's not a problem, since we upgrade and change our builds on this turn... and get another source in 4 turns, when F'mouth radius expands to cover the source near Sandonorico.

Any objections to adding "send saltpeter as accepted to GoW"?

[ZargonX]

I guess they do kind of need it at the moment... no objection.

[vondrack]

Several more adjustments/tweaks to the turn plan - make sure you check it one more time, please.

I suggest we wait few more hours so that we hear most of our members on the GS diplo note issue and here about the saltpeter thing. Also - note the WF changes for Legopolis, Tarzania, Kloreepvile, and Sharpehaven.

I will be able to play the turn in about 6 hours, after I wake up - that could just be the right time, I guess... for once, it would be us taking a bit longer with the turn...

[lmtoops]

Give the Saltpeter, no problem.

[Sharpe]

Why don't we just give GoW and ND all of Legoland while we are at it!

You are talking about giving them our first saltpeter while we would have to wait for 2 turns for the 2nd one.

This alliance is getting ridiculously lopsided in their favour - on our side we give Gunpowder for nearly free, 1 dye to each of them and send 9-12 knights PLUS some muskets for their defense and now proposing going to war with them against GS at the risk of our units dying for what benefit to Lego? (Meanwhile we couldn't stop even a minor invasion of Lego right now if we had too!)

In exchange they are giving us 3 luxuries, a tiny amount of gold for the accelerated gunpowder research and while they are gaining a stranglehold on Bob and pummelling GS and RP.

Sure looks a fair trade to me - NOT!

Especially if they turn on us - we will have contributed to weakening our only possible ally - GS - who would still be angered about us going to war with them. Or if they attack GS on Stormia we will be stuck with the same situation as above if we decide to help defend GS.