Foreign Affairs Consulate: Roleplay

[Panzer32]

Panzer32,

I am sorry that we have not gotten back to you sooner, but there was far too much discussion on the language of this deal, and adaMada has been too busy with school to follow up this weekend so I have decided to prepare this letter to you because we need to close this deal.

We agree to the following:
-GoW Gives: Horseback riding, warrior removal, and 60 gold in exchange for writing.
-Roleplay Gives: Writing, after removal of warriors.
-Neither team will trade the tech it acquires for fifteen turns after acquisition of tech from the other team.
- Both Basher & Basher Jr. must be removed.
- Removal consists of moving to a point north of Saragossa. Saragossa is located on the southern edge of the jungle.

quote:

Also, question: what tech is Roleplay researching now? This is so the Glory of War can chose a different tech and then we can trade.

We will be happy to discuss future tech research and trade after all GoW warriors have been removed.

--Togas

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Togas altered the deal after we accepted which is illegal in American contract law.

I say we go with Lux as Roleplay has just postponed the deal for who knows how long as we don't even know where Sargossa is.

[Panzer32]

Possible response:
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Togas,

I am sorry, but the Glory of War cannot accept this revised agreement. The original agreement called for writing to be exchanged "upon aquisition". Since Roleplay has now aquired writing, "upon aquisition" means immediatly. The Glory of War is upset at the arbitrary changing of the deal by Roleplay. If we go back to the original agreement, where the warriors do not have to be removed BEFORE the tech deal goes through, the Glory of War would be happy to trade with Roleplay.

To recap the aforementioned agreement:
-GoW Gives: Horseback riding, warrior removal, and 60 gold in exchange for writing, all immediatly.
-Roleplay Gives: Writing, immediatly.
-Neither team will trade the tech it acquires for fifteen turns after acquisition of tech from the other team.
-Both Basher & Basher Jr. will be removed.

Again, if Roleplay agees to this, there will be no hard feelings. However, if Roleplay does not agree, the Glory of War will be extremely upset. We will be extremely wary of trading with Roleplay in the future, since they are liable to reword the agreement and thus reneg on the agreement.

On a somewhat unrelated note:
There are two groups of jungle. How is the Glory of War supposed to know exactly where Saragossa is. There are two jungles, and therefore two southern edges of the jungle. We have discovered a couple Roleplay cities, but have not discovered the names. Even if the Glory of War would agree to go along with your revised agreement, we would not know where exactly Roleplay wanted us to go.

Even so, there is no way the Glory of War would accept the revised agreemtn, this last paragraph was just for future reference.

Thank you,

Panzer32,
Foreign Affairs Consul for the Glory of War

[Hot_Enamel]

You could perhaps include...

If the deal is not accepted THIS turn, the GOW has every intention of posting on the main board our agreed terms and the fact that the RP team has reneged on the deal.

Also..

It is our opinion that the "wording" on the agreement is quite clear. If you can tell us what area is causing you concern, we are happy to let you know our interpretation.
ie...Warrior removal means warriors will be returned back to our cities......-> is this true ? Are we taking them home ?


And finally,
It is our belief that this deal was agreed to 2 turns ago, when we offered you HBR & 60g. When you finally accept this offer, it is our understanding that it is backdated to that turn...(ie no trade for 15 turns from then = no trade for 13 turns from now.)
Note, that this is not a change in the terms, simply confirming our belief that this deal was made 2 turns ago.

(the last paragraph is optional - Its true, but optional)

Regs

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

I would also add the fact that we have no guarantee that they will not change the contract again as they just did. They just out of blue reworded an agreed treaty to include a city of Sargossa that was never mentioned before.

We have the reputation of NEVER breaking or failing to honor a treaty, they have failed to honor agreements three times now.

This is one of the reasons I decided to withdraw from Apolyton's team and join CDG's team. Considering that both the leadership of Lux and Roleplay consider treaty breaking a useful game tactic, I think I would feel more comfortable with another team.

[Panzer32]

Including other ideas in response
(please reply affirmativly if you want this sent)
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Togas,

I am sorry, but the Glory of War cannot accept this revised agreement. The original agreement called for writing to be exchanged "upon aquisition". Since Roleplay has now aquired writing, "upon aquisition" means immediatly. The Glory of War is upset at the arbitrary changing of the deal by Roleplay. If we go back to the original agreement, where the warriors do not have to be removed BEFORE the tech deal goes through, the Glory of War would be happy to trade with Roleplay.

To recap the aforementioned agreement:
-GoW Gives: Horseback riding, warrior removal, and 60 gold in exchange for writing, all immediatly.
-Roleplay Gives: Writing, immediatly.
-Neither team will trade the tech it acquires for fifteen turns after acquisition of tech from the other team.
-Both Basher & Basher Jr. will be removed.

I think that Roleplay might have not quite understood the term "removal" of warriors. To clarify, this means the warriors will go back home to the Glory of War lands, north of where Neo Demogyptica is located. I hope this has not been the reason this agreement has been held up.

Again, if Roleplay agees to this, there will be no hard feelings. However, if Roleplay does not agree, the Glory of War will be extremely upset. We have no guarantee that you will not change the contract again as you just did. Roleplay, seemingly out of blue, reworded an agreed upon treaty to include a city of Sargossa that was never mentioned before. We will be extremely wary of trading with Roleplay in the future, since they are liable to reword the agreement and thus reneg on the agreement. If Roleplay does not accept this deal, and thus betrays us, the Glory of War would have no alternative but to warn the other teams of their behaviour to us.

On a somewhat unrelated note:
There are two groups of jungle. How is the Glory of War supposed to know exactly where Saragossa is. There are two jungles, and therefore two southern edges of the jungle. We have discovered a couple Roleplay cities, but have not discovered the names. Even if the Glory of War would agree to go along with your revised agreement, we would not know where exactly Roleplay wanted us to go.

Even so, there is no way the Glory of War would accept the revised agreement, this last paragraph was just for future reference.

Thank you,

Panzer32,
Foreign Affairs Consul for the Glory of War

[Hot_Enamel]

Originally posted by Panzer32
If they continue in this path, the Glory of War would have no alternative but to warn the other teams of their behaviour to us.

If the deal of not accepted this round, the Glory of War would have no alternative but to warn the other teams of their behaviour to us.


I think they need to know the exactly consequences.
Its up to you if you want the change....it reads fine either way

Regs

[Panzer32]

edited to say more clearly what Hot_Enamel was pointing out

edit: we also have to be careful, so it doesn't sound like blackmail...

[Panzer32]

Since no one seems to have a problem with this message, I am sending it to Togas and adaMada.

[Panzer32]

Reply:
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Panzer,

There is no prior "agreement" which is why we are attempting to negotiate this one with you. Our concern is primarily for the removal of your warriors. That has been and will remain a vital part of the agreement.

A definition must be created to define removal.

Therefore, I propose the following:

-GoW Gives: Horseback riding, and returns all military units near Spanish territory home. For the purpose of this agreement, this process will be called "removal". GoW will give 60 gold in trade for writing after removal.

-Roleplay Gives: Writing after removal of all GoW warriors in exchange for 60 gold.

-Neither team will trade the tech it acquires for fifteen turns after acquisition of tech from the other team.

-Basher & Basher Jr., and any other GoW warriors in RolePlay territory will be removed and return home.

A warrior considered "removed" once he moves north of Saragossa. Basher will be "removed" if he moves North four times. Upon that turn he will be just north of a river, and have a game tile to his SE. That tile, and any tiles further north of it, is north of Saragossa and will sufficiently demonstrate that the warrior is "removed" from Spanish territory.

Should any GoW miltary unit move to any tile south (SE & SW included) of that tile, it will demonstrate that GoW does not intend to remove and return home, and will violate this agreement. Should Basher (while still south of Saragossa) move in any direction other than north, that will demonstrate that GoW does not intend to comply with this agreement, and this agreement will be violated.

Do you agree to these terms and definitions?

--Togas
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Frankly, I don't agree with this. From the reactions of the other members of the group, I gather this deal will not be acceptable.

Therefore, here is a draft of a rather consise reply:
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Togas,

The Glory of War does not accept this agreement. We will accept the agreement sent in my last PM, but not this last one that the Roleplay has suggested. If we define 'removal' as the warriors starting to move north, then the deal will be acceptable. Of course, the Glory of War will continue to move the warrior north. If you recall, the deal the Glory of War proposes is very beneficial to the Roleplay team. You get 60 gold, horseback riding, and the removal (see aforementioned definition) of the basher and basher jr. For this, you only have to give up writing. If you do not want to trade with the Glory of War, simply say so rather than propose proposterous deals that the Glory of War already rejected.

Thank you,

Panzer32,
Foreign Affairs Consul for the Glory of War

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

I would agree to it with the exchange of 0 gold. Not 60, 0.

This is the third time Togas has violated common contract law and he knows it as a lawyer, assuming he actually did go to law school.

The continual additions of new conditions is completely unethical and typical of the playstyle of this team.

[Panzer32]

More threatening: (revised response)
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adaMada,

I can see now how Roleplay is conducting their diplomacy. Roleplay is conducting as Hitler did with Britain before World War II. Roleplay is assured we won't attack them, because of both our nonagression pact and the distance from the Glory of War homeland. Roleplay is playing on this fact, and is trying to squeeze more out of the Glory of War in diplomacy. We have no desire to be your Chamberlain by feeding into your leadership's egomania and their continually altering demands. Roleplay told the Glory of War they would trade writing to us for a certain deal, and we accepted. Then you informed us that you decided to change the deal and we began working to meet that one. Then you changed it again.

We have no idea if this philosophy is that of your team or simply your leadership but it is difficult to maintain any form of mutually beneficial relationship with a team that regards the treaties it agrees to as little more than frivilous scratchpads of no value.

We have honored every agreement with your team since the beginning even when other civs gave us bonus techs and the deals were no longer equal trades. We find it very sad that your team still will not honor this agreement.

The Glory of War does not accept your revised agreement. We will accept the agreement sent in my last PM, but now with less money. The Glory of War is not paying Roleplay to sit idle and start revising a contract. Therefore, the amount the Glory of War will pay Roleplay is reduced to 20 gold. If they still have not agreed to do the deal within 2 more turns (when the GoW gets the 1790bc save), this price will be reduced to zero.

If we define 'removal' as the warriors starting to move north, then the deal will be acceptable. Of course, the Glory of War will continue to move the warrior north. If you recall, the deal the Glory of War proposes is very beneficial to the Roleplay team. You get 20 gold, horseback riding, and the removal (see aforementioned definition) of the basher and basher jr. For this, you only have to give up writing. If you do not want to trade with the Glory of War, simply say so rather than propose proposterous deals that the Glory of War already rejected.

This is the prior agreement:

Sent by adaMada, official diplomat to GoW

If you will accept what is above, Roleplay will accept offer #3. To refresh everyone's memory, it was:
GoW Gives: Horseback riding and warrior removal now and 60 gold upon reception of writing.
Roleplay Gives: Writing upon acquisition
* Neither team will trade the tech it acquires for fifteen turns after acquisition.

And from my reply to this:

This deal is accepted by the GoW

I quote from your last PM:

Sent by Togas, leader of Roleplay

There is no prior "agreement" which is why we are attempting to negotiate this one with you

I believe that if you said, "If you will accept what is above, Roleplay will accept offer #3", and the Glory of War accepted it, then it is a "prior agreement". It is the Glory of War's belief that we had a deal. Your claim that we did not have a prior agreement is a disgrace.

The offer we have outlined in this message is final. The Roleplay team has been playing this game in a dishonorable fashion and the Glory of War plans on advertising this fact to all other teams unless the deal is accepted immediately.

Thank you,

Panzer32,
Foreign Affairs Consul for the Glory of War;

Along with the rest of the Glory of War team.

[Hot_Enamel]

Originally posted by Panzer32
More threatening: (revised response)
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I quote from your last PM:


This is the prior agreement:


And from my reply to this:


Panzer32,
Foreign Affairs Consul for the Glory of War

Panzer... well written.

My only suggestion is the order of the three quotes.

1. This is the offer from RP..quoted from ?????
2. This is our (GOW) acceptence of the offer....quoted from Panzer
3. Togas's last PM ...quoted from Togas.

It is the GOW belief that we had a deal. Your claim that we did not have a prior agreement is a disgrace, and the second time that RP has broken a deal.

The final offer we have outlined above is final. The RP has been playing this game in a dishonorable fashion and the GOW plans on advertising this fact to all other teams unless the deal is accepted immediately.


End ....


You should PM this to every RP team member, and stir up the nest.

Tell Togas he can shove his additional clauses up his &%%$#

[Panzer32]

editing to encorporate Hot_Enamel's suggestions.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

STOP THE PRESSES!

It just hit me (I was watching the History Channel) how this whole situation is very similiar to Hitler just prior to WW2. Togas(Hitler) and Roleplay (the Nazis) are continually playing on the fact that we can't afford to wage an effecient war (they are very far away and land space in our area is becoming exceedingly scarce) to continue to squeeze a little more and a little more out of us.

I think we should begin the message with that analogy and declare that we do not intend to make the same mistake as England and France by continuing to feed their Egomania and additional demands (make the Hitler analogy also) and then as many of us as possible authorizes our usernames to be included at the end of the statement showing that it is not simply one of us but several of us that refuse to cower to them.

Include the fact that Togas originally told us he would trade Horseback Riding for Writing and several turns later discarded that proposal and now continues to ignore the agreements sent between our civs as so much chewing gum wrapper.

Then send it adaMada and send another copy (but don't tell Roleplay to Lux, ND, Vox, and Lego.

That should shut them down.


While we are simply drawing reference to the negotiating style of Hitler, I'm sure some of their members will wince at being compared to him.