Foreign Affairs Consulate: Roleplay

[Hot_Enamel]

Lets face it....they are not going to trade us writing.
We might as well accept it

We should work on Lux, about getting writing from them.

Start studing it ourselves.

Offer to make the alliance with ND official.
Ask them to throw in writing, and we keep it between us.
We will just tell everyone we researched it ourselves.
And offer to gift ND the 60gold.

Dunno - but we are running out of options.
They obviously dont get HBR.

[Panzer32]

you mean revise the message again to include this hitler ananlogy at the beginning?

I will write it if thats what you mean later today when I'm not busy... if anyone else wants to write it then go ahead.

[Panzer32]

again, edited to reflect current sentiments on GoW.

[Hot_Enamel]

Overnight, I have had a rethink....

Although I can see the funny side of the hitler ananlogy....we may have some jewish (and other nationalities) friends on the RP team which may take offense.

Perhaps it is best to leave it out.

Regs

[Panzer32]

What do others think? I can send the message, just ommiting the first paragraph if people want.

[Hot_Enamel]

Originally posted by Panzer32
More threatening: (revised response)
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Togas,

I can see now how Roleplay is conducting their diplomacy. Roleplay is conducting it like Hitler did with Britain before World War II. Roleplay is assured we won't attack them, because of both our nonagression pact and the distance from the Glory of War homeland. Roleplay is playing on this fact, and are trying to squeeze more out of the Glory of War in diplomacy. We do not intend to make the same mistake as Britain by feeding into Roleplay's egomania and their absurd demands. Roleplay told the Glory of War they would trade writing to us for a certain deal, and a few days later, Roleplay changed the deal in their favour.

Change to :

I can see now how Roleplay is conducting their diplomacy. Roleplay is assured we won't attack them, because of both our nonagression pact and the distance from the Glory of War homeland. Roleplay is playing on this fact, and are trying to squeeze more out of the Glory of War in diplomacy. We do not intend to continue feeding into Roleplay's egomania and their absurd demands. Roleplay told the Glory of War they would trade writing to us for a certain deal, and a few days later, Roleplay changed the deal in their favour.

Originally posted by Panzer32
This is the prior agreement:
quote: ??????????????????

If you will accept what is above, Roleplay will accept offer #3. To refresh everyone's memory, it was:
GoW Gives: Horseback riding and warrior removal now and 60 gold upon reception of writing.
Roleplay Gives: Writing upon acquisition
* Neither team will trade the tech it acquires for fifteen turns after acquisition.

Who sent us this from the RP team.... Their name should appear within the quote.



Good email......
I still think it should be sent to every team member of the RP team...with the expanation that we no longer trust their leaders/diplomats to accurately inform all members of their team.

[Panzer32]

Thanks, Hot_Enamel for writing that... I'm not the best writer around...

Edited once again.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

We WANT THE HITLER analogy though. That's the sting that's supposed to shame them into honoring their discarded agreement. Here's a more diplomatic version.

Originally posted by Panzer32
More threatening: (revised response)
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adaMada,

I can see now how Roleplay is conducting their diplomacy. Roleplay is conducting as Hitler did with Britain before World War II. Roleplay is assured we won't attack them, because of both our nonagression pact and the distance from the Glory of War homeland. Roleplay is playing on this fact, and is trying to squeeze more out of the Glory of War in diplomacy. We have no desire to be your Chamberlain by feeding into your leadership's egomania and their continually altering demands. Roleplay told the Glory of War they would trade writing to us for a certain deal, and we accepted. Then you informed us that you decided to change the deal and we began working to meet that one. Then you changed it again.

We have no idea if this philosophy is that of your team or simply your leadership but it is difficult to maintain any form of mutually beneficial relationship with a team that regards the treaties it agrees to as little more than frivilous scratchpads of no value.

We have honored every agreement with your team since the beginning even when other civs gave us bonus techs and the deals were no longer equal trades. We find it very sad that your team still will not honor this agreement.

I would LIKE to be able to get Writing out of them.

Send it to adaMada, not Togas. adaMada is far more trustworthy than Togas and its HIS JOB to post this in their forum.

[Hot_Enamel]

I like your version GF....I just fear some unknown backlash by inferring Togas is behaving like Hitler.

Its your call...

Send it soon though

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by Hot_Enamel
I like your version GF....I just fear some unknown backlash by inferring Togas is behaving like Hitler.

Its your call...

Send it soon though

It doesn't actually call him Hitler it but he has been behaving like a psychotic madman.

[Panzer32]

since everyone agrees with this version, I will proceed and sent the message to adaMada.

[Panzer32]

Togas' Reply:
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Panzer32,

adaMada has posted your response to our forum. I'm not going to waste my time commending on your continuing insults and threats and make this very clear, because your team doesn't seem to care to understand what MY position is, and your team continue to believe that by misquoting my ambassador and playing word games you can force me to change MY position on this deal.

I, as leader of Spain, am not giving you ANYTHING until your warriors are OUT OF SPAIN, period. That was always our position, when we talk about "removal" we clearly mean "removed from Spain." We do not mean, "moving north 1 tile" as you incorrectly seem to believe. I am not going to take "your word" that you will remove them after the deal is done. I have zero trust that you will follow through. I want to see them OUT before I give you anything.

If you want writing, you will leave Spain by moving north to the tile I clearly specified. It's simple and it's clear. You "claim" that you are removing your warrior so there should be no issue with this arrangement. Yet you are making an issue because you want writing NOW.

I'm sorry, but I'm not that trusting, especially not with the way you continue to insult myself, my ambassador, and my team. You're not going to get it now.

If you remove your warrior and pay us the amount you promised, you will get Writing. If not, you won't. It's that simple. I can't make it anymore simple than that.

If you choose to "go public" with this whole stupid affair know that I will also "go public" and devulge all of your bitter quotes and threats and lies and broken promises. Should you doctor our PMs to you, we will, in return, doctor your PMs to us. Should you outright lie about our role in this affair, we will lie in return. There is nothing that you can threaten us with that we cannot do in return to you. Mutually assured destruction. If you want it, we'll play that game. I'm more than willing. You know that I have people on my team who are VERY willing to do so.

But if you want writing, quit sending threatening and insulting letters to my ambassador, move your warrior north a few more tiles, then trade us 60g for writing like you agreed.

That is, if you really want writing. I'm starting to doubt that you do.

--Togas, Ruler of Spain.

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I suggest that we scrap this deal, and start researching writing.

I feel it is risky to go public with our information, but it might be necessary. It would require an extremely well written document, with every point well proven - we don't want Roleplay to think we're lying, and start lying in return.

Possible Reply:
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adaMada

I am sorry the Glory of War and the Roleplay team could not have come to an agreement. The Roleplay team must understand that the Glory of War did not want to remove its warriors. Simply, the Glory of War wanted to be ensured the trade happened before we removed our warriors for no reason. Since we had started to withdraw our warriors and no deal had been reached, the Glory of War simply turned their warriors back, not to be withdrawn until a deal was reached. Again, I regret that we were not able to reach a deal.

Panzer32,
Foreign Affairs Consul for the Glory of War

[Hot_Enamel]

We threatened to go public.
They think we are bluffing.

I say we have to post it on the main board, or they and all other teams will never give us the respect we deserve.

I agree it should be researched and well written.

My response to Togas would be.

"Your insinuation that we have doctored PM's is pathetic. You are a disgrace to the spirit of the game, your team, and your profession.

Go to hell"


There is little use in trying to expalin what our warriors are doing. Forget it. Just cut off diplo relations altogether.
Dont hint to them about what we are doing, or how we are going to get Writing. Anything we tell them will be twisted. Tell them NOTHING.
Ignore them.

And again, I suggest this is sent to every team member within RP. I do not trust Togas/Ama is providing an unbiased account of our communications to their team.

Regs

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

I think we should have a thread which is just copies of emails and pms from Roleplay. Not other posts in the thread and then we can look and see if we have enough to go public with. If we research Writing on our own it will take 20+ turns and put us out of any tech race, we will lose all tradeablity with other civs. If we wait the 5-6 turns for ND to finish Mathematics we can pay them for Writing and start on Construction WHICH WE CAN THEN TRADE to other civs and be just as advanced as everyone else.

[Panzer32]

We have the thread. Now, what do we do with it?

I think the best thing to do is to get important messages, and post them in the main forum in a logical order, with commentary.