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Theseus> Roleplay - RP's relocation is clearly mandatory. We need to negotiate the ability to return them to Spain at some point... perhaps no sooner than X turns?
Theseus> (Get ready for a barrage...)
Theseus> Lego / Vox - I'd like to see them involved as well. I've always envisioned this as a worldwide gangbang on ND.
Theseus> Territitory - I'd like to split Bob at the jungle.
Panzer32> so basically we would get the ND core
Theseus> Gold - You are mercs, and need to be paid. How much (wait for the sum total of terms before answering)?
Theseus> Techs - TBD
Theseus> Resources - We should guarantee to each other full access to one of each resource we together control.
Theseus> Military Coordination - If we can do a deal this is critically important.
Aggie> will there be a unified command
Theseus> Competion of Contract - In this case, we think it will be the destruction of ND, not just their removal from Bob.
[GoW]UnO> I'm personally very tired of removals.
Theseus> We have put some thought into this.
MasterZen> what if Lego gifts them a city?
MasterZen> just silly suggestions btw, but plausible
Aggie> question"if rp accepts removal but remains at war with us, will you make them make peace for ww ending purposes
Theseus> We would like to involve Lego as well.
Cort> then you'll be able to get a foothold on lego, MZ
Theseus> Yes, peace with RP... whatever this plan takes.
Theseus> BRB
Aggie> thats important
Cort> Yes, Aggie, we would insist upon that
MasterZen> i'd cry "exploit" if it didn't happen anyway
Aggie> excellent
Cort> We recognise we would have to keep RP in line ...
Aggie> well they be your pet, so you haver to clean up after them.
Cort> but they'd have to be offered a token themselves...
Cort> a feeling of security in return.
[GoW]UnO> We can play the prod, you play the carrot.
MasterZen> letting them live is a token in itself
Cort> Yeah, so we'd have to ask them to take down their banners howling at you guys,
Aggie> well actually i like those banner
Cort> lol
Cort> but they need to know that you don't want to eradicate them - as long as they're neutered.
MasterZen> and offshore
Aggie> well assure them that we don't
Cort> in a hypothetical future, GoW would have nothing to fear from tiny Spain,
Aggie> that is true
MasterZen> tiny Spain might get others to do their dirty work for them
MasterZen> tiny Spain has twisted minds
Cort> so MZ, do you personally want to remove them from the game?
MasterZen> as long as they remain not a threat, I guess I could live with it, I just happen to be a twisted mind myself so I know how other twisted minds think
Cort> Funny you should mention that..
Theseus> Uh, I have a little kitten jumping around (GS is used to this), so if I seemingly type anything weird...
Theseus> I think Rp can be persuaded.
Theseus> I think they can be given religious territory.
[GoW]UnO> I am going to need to get to bed soon. Theseus, I am sure will as well.
Theseus> I think all of us roleplaying with RP will play a part.
[GoW]UnO> Theseus, CortHouse, Let's see this all through.
Theseus> I'm gonna let UnO get it all out...[]''6666666666666666666666666666666666666666
Theseus> That was the kitty.
Theseus> 457=10.;.
Theseus> again
MasterZen> LOL!!!!!!
MRex> haha
[GoW]UnO> Now, GS is proposing that GoW retains the land above the Jungle, the land below is split between the other allies, correct?
Theseus> Yes
MasterZen> speaking of kitty, check this thread out: http://central.masterzen.net/index.p...=0&#entry39158
[GoW]UnO> Now, the rest of that seems either common sense (coordinated military, sharing resources) or insignificant.
[GoW]UnO> So, this is the real heart of the matter.
Theseus> UnO: I think that's pretty good for you... certainly more than under the current circumstances.
[GoW]UnO> Am I correct in assuming this?
[GoW]UnO> Now, I will present where the difficulties will arise as far as GoW is considered.
Theseus> Yes. But there is more, not unimportant.
[GoW]UnO> such as?
Aggie> like the following Lego sw, rp sc, Gs se
[GoW]UnO> What more did I miss?
[GoW]UnO> RP returning?
[GoW]UnO> The rest of it is only what is neccessary to carry out the war from what I can see, having just went through everything you posted above.
Theseus> No, I am sorry, Uno is entirely correct. The hinges of evrything are that RP leaves Bob and GoW attacks ND.
Theseus> Everything else follows from there.
[GoW]UnO> Now, here is where we currently stand.
[GoW]UnO> Gathering Storm, in our eyes, has broken a NAP with us. I am well aware we disagree here, but this is our feeling on the issue.
[GoW]UnO> Roleplay has broken countless agreements.
[GoW]UnO> Neu Demogyptica, to this point, has not borken anything.
[GoW]UnO> That is not to say they are not a threat.
Theseus> I am past all of these things.
Theseus> Wow, that was a big statement.
[GoW]UnO> The way the game currently stands, Lego has a nice chunk of land, and a nice little vassal state courtesy of GS.
Theseus> I think we have all been learning what counts, and what does not, in this type of game.
[GoW]UnO> The way you are proposing it is that GS will have a nice chunk of land, a nice little vassal state courtesy of ourselves.
[GoW]UnO> Both of these two forces will also have a beachhead on Bob.
Theseus> Tell me what YOU want.
[GoW]UnO> GoW may indeed have the largest land at that point, but we all know land takes time to make productive at all.
[GoW]UnO> OPD in a PM stated something about needing to have techs 'flow from GoW to GS' as an "act of good faith".
[GoW]UnO> This is out of the question at this point in time.
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[GoW]UnO> RP returning will be a difficult sale, frankly. I think that COULD be agreed to in the future, though.
Theseus> All 'deal points'. We obviously want to get to GP ASAP... we have been made aware that saltpeter is rare.
Theseus> This is going to come back to haunt me, personally, but I have been angling for RP's end-game stance to be sort of Tibetan.
[GoW]UnO> However, given how this game goes, nature has been for the teams to follow the easiest and most profitable path.
MasterZen> proving this game is a microcosm of real life
Theseus> No sh*t.
[GoW]UnO> At this point, that would seem to be, upon the removal of ND, for Lego/GS and their respective vassals to remove GoW (aka the EVIL BACKSTABBING mercenaries) from the game.
[GoW]UnO> We will need some guarantee of this not happening.
[GoW]UnO> At least not easily.
[GoW]UnO> And therefore see it only fair that a foothold of porportional size be also allocated to GoW on Stormia.
Theseus> Furthest thing from it... I'm not speaking for all of GS here, but I LOVE the idea of you guys being mercs.
Theseus> Uh... no foothold on Stormia... very different proposition.
Theseus> But we can provide a guarantee.
[GoW]UnO> Of what sort?
Theseus> Give me a sec to say this right...
[GoW]UnO> Keep in mind who you are talking to. Internal PBEMS have taught us to trust but one person. Ourselves.
Theseus> Responding to UnO's last comment: I am a trusting sort. Either I deal with straight-up people or not. The log covers the issue, for me.
[GoW]UnO> Look, I'm going to be frank and honest.
[GoW]UnO> You are offering us more land, I give you that.
Theseus> OOOH, there's a teaser... I was about to propose something, but will wait.
[GoW]UnO> You say 'better' land, but 'better' is all relative.
Theseus> I was going to propose something good.
MRex> so propose it
[GoW]UnO> We have been acting on the current contract to the best of our abilities. Changin now would be difficult.
Theseus> [Theseus likes negotiating with UnO... straight up stuff]
[GoW]UnO> [then why did it take two hours to get here?]
[GoW]UnO> Now, I have in our forum stated I don't think you guys are serious about this.
Theseus> Hand shaking.
Theseus> We are 100% serious.
[GoW]UnO> You contacted us nearly two weeks ago, and I sent several requests.
Theseus> My fault...RL./
[GoW]UnO> Yet, here you come to talk only when you are threatening our cities.
Theseus> Also my fault...
Theseus> Let me speak...
[GoW]UnO> You may very well take some cities as well, but you will find that we are not the kind to back down, and will go down swinging if it comes to that.
Theseus> UnO, I kindly ask a moment...
Theseus> 0
[GoW]UnO> We have been bold, some would say rash in our plans, and there would be no real change if this continues the way it is.
[GoW]UnO> Sorry, go ahead.
Theseus> Whoa...
Theseus> OK, let me organize...
Theseus> Moment... Amy is on the4 line.
Theseus> (really)
** [GoW]UnO sets mode: +o Octavian_X
[GoW]UnO> Hello there Octavian. You scared me when I saw you enter.
[GoW]UnO> wasn't sure which team you were on.
Octavian_X> No one truly knows to whom I belong...
Octavian_X> Seriously, I would hope you know that I'm a citizen of the Gathering Storm.
[GoW]UnO> I didn't have my members list in front of me. Wasn't sure.
Aggie> well i believe you, why would one so claim if they weren't
[GoW]UnO> Im horrid with names.
Octavian_X> That's ok. all you Apolytonians are just one person to me...
MasterZen> I'll remember that next time we chat
MasterZen> j/k
Aggie> actually we are one person, just one very disturbed person
Cort> lol
Octavian_X> Honestly, at this point, that wouldn't suprise me...
MasterZen> Aggie, UnO and Panzer are all my DLs
Theseus> Back.
[GoW]UnO> I feel like it most the time.
[GoW]UnO> Theseus, your floor.
Theseus> I want to get past some of the pst animosity,
Theseus> [Sorry, I have a 5 week
Theseus> kitty attacking everything in sight]
[GoW]UnO> We are looking to the future, I can assure you. I don't see what you possibly can offer as a guarantee right now, but we are willing to listen.
Theseus> Land.
Theseus> The current situation is not tenable for anyone but Lego.
[GoW]UnO> On Bob. With Lego and GS BOTH having footholds just begging for a mutual enemy and a 'build off'
[GoW]UnO> Or a war.
Theseus> Yes.
Theseus> Do you expect more from ND?
[GoW]UnO> And how does this guarantee anything but our destruction as you and Lego kill us off?
Theseus> We would be offering a locked alliance,
[GoW]UnO> ND would be sharing our nation.
Theseus> ??
[GoW]UnO> Should the two of us be all that remained, that is.
[GoW]UnO> So, you are not interested in only ND, but with Lego as well.
Theseus> BRB
Theseus> Three, and then one. Unless you think something else would be more fun?
[GoW]UnO> ?
Theseus> So no, we are not asking you to commit against Lego.
Theseus> Everyone, what we are proposing is simple.
Theseus> We will evacuate RP to N. Stormia.
MasterZen> in summary: kill ND until they die
Theseus> Master of Zen? Try Master of Understatement...
[GoW]UnO> Trust for Trust. We are giving you a beachhead should we agree. One in return is not out of reason IMO, I fail to see what your hold up is, you are gifting much of it to RP anyway.
Theseus> Yes, we take down ND. Ideally (and this is just me) I'd like to do it as a worldwide gangbang... no reason, just cause.
Theseus> I am operating waaaaaay without charter here, UnO... beach head in N. Stormia acceptable?
[GoW]UnO> Is it at least negotiable?
Theseus> I am not sure I see the point... but yes.
[GoW]UnO> N stormia for S bob. Not equal SIZE but porportional. (stormia is smaller, so smaller beachhead)
Theseus> What complicated webs we weave...
[GoW]UnO> Point is naval invasion is damn near impossible, it provides SOME route should you not honor your 'locked alliance'
[GoW]UnO> Or whatever.
Theseus> We will honor such locked alliance... period. Did you you see my earlier point, btw? Locked and equal resources? I thought that a good idea.
[GoW]UnO> That is a good idea.
Theseus> There is a deal to be made here... logical, profitable, and fun.
Theseus> AAnd I gotta say... you brought up naval invasion... I cannot WAIT to try epic game Scandy. Seafaring rocks.
MasterZen> lucky those who have C3C already... :P
MRex> like me
[GoW]UnO> So, GS will discuss giving us a small beachhead in N stormia?
Panzer32> I'm playing Napoleonic Europe conquest... its great. I've got 4 armies that are killer.
Theseus> Yes. I am thinking of this as we go along, but if we do so you will be next to a very weak RP...we would would covenants that you not rape them.
[GoW]UnO> I know that will make some GoW members very much less pararnoid.
Theseus> Fine.
MasterZen> as long as RP doesn't pose a threat to us, we will not pose a threat to them
[GoW]UnO> Then, we have all this to discuss with our teams.
[GoW]UnO> RP off of Bob.
[GoW]UnO> GoW/GS attack ND, hope to include Lego.
[GoW]UnO> Once ND is destroyed, Land from Jungle North is GoW, south is Lego/GS
[GoW]UnO> RP is allowed to return eventually and GoW gets a beachhead.
Theseus> I would like to go futher... I see an alliance through at least a 3 team finale. Seriously, feel free to ask the Legos, I made a statement tonight that I would like to see GoW STRONGER>
Theseus> BRB
[GoW]UnO> I don't know if we can make that a deal for after the war, perhaps...
Theseus> We have at iming issue...
Theseus> timing
[GoW]UnO> Theseus, CourtHouse, Octavian, it is becomming late for me. I need to be off to bed, I suggest we continue this another time and take what is already here back to our teams.
Cort> yep - it's almost tijme for me to get up...
[GoW]UnO> Timing can be worked with the teams, and I am sure other issues will present themselves once this is digested.
[GoW]UnO> LOL, reminds me of doing the turnchats, cort.
Theseus> Agreed. Please note, much of which I have presented has already been discussed and approved wihtin GS. We are ready to deal.
[GoW]UnO> Wake up a 2AM to civ before work.
[GoW]UnO> I will be in touch tomorrow, Theseus, and we can schedule another chat then.
Theseus> Also, fyi, we have touched base with various members of Lego... if GS and GoW agree on this course of action, as far as we can tell they will join in.
[GoW]UnO> Gnight folks, looks like the Eagles won. btw.
Cort> Goodnight all ....
Theseus> GN
Aggie> goodnight
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MasterZen> goodnight
MasterZen> doh, too late
** Disconnected
Session Close: Mon Nov 10 00:12:19 2003
Theseus> Roleplay - RP's relocation is clearly mandatory. We need to negotiate the ability to return them to Spain at some point... perhaps no sooner than X turns?
Theseus> (Get ready for a barrage...)
Theseus> Lego / Vox - I'd like to see them involved as well. I've always envisioned this as a worldwide gangbang on ND.
Theseus> Territitory - I'd like to split Bob at the jungle.
Panzer32> so basically we would get the ND core
Theseus> Gold - You are mercs, and need to be paid. How much (wait for the sum total of terms before answering)?
Theseus> Techs - TBD
Theseus> Resources - We should guarantee to each other full access to one of each resource we together control.
Theseus> Military Coordination - If we can do a deal this is critically important.
Aggie> will there be a unified command
Theseus> Competion of Contract - In this case, we think it will be the destruction of ND, not just their removal from Bob.
[GoW]UnO> I'm personally very tired of removals.
Theseus> We have put some thought into this.
MasterZen> what if Lego gifts them a city?
MasterZen> just silly suggestions btw, but plausible
Aggie> question"if rp accepts removal but remains at war with us, will you make them make peace for ww ending purposes
Theseus> We would like to involve Lego as well.
Cort> then you'll be able to get a foothold on lego, MZ
Theseus> Yes, peace with RP... whatever this plan takes.
Theseus> BRB
Aggie> thats important
Cort> Yes, Aggie, we would insist upon that
MasterZen> i'd cry "exploit" if it didn't happen anyway
Aggie> excellent
Cort> We recognise we would have to keep RP in line ...
Aggie> well they be your pet, so you haver to clean up after them.
Cort> but they'd have to be offered a token themselves...
Cort> a feeling of security in return.
[GoW]UnO> We can play the prod, you play the carrot.
MasterZen> letting them live is a token in itself
Cort> Yeah, so we'd have to ask them to take down their banners howling at you guys,
Aggie> well actually i like those banner
Cort> lol
Cort> but they need to know that you don't want to eradicate them - as long as they're neutered.
MasterZen> and offshore
Aggie> well assure them that we don't
Cort> in a hypothetical future, GoW would have nothing to fear from tiny Spain,
Aggie> that is true
MasterZen> tiny Spain might get others to do their dirty work for them
MasterZen> tiny Spain has twisted minds
Cort> so MZ, do you personally want to remove them from the game?
MasterZen> as long as they remain not a threat, I guess I could live with it, I just happen to be a twisted mind myself so I know how other twisted minds think
Cort> Funny you should mention that..
Theseus> Uh, I have a little kitten jumping around (GS is used to this), so if I seemingly type anything weird...
Theseus> I think Rp can be persuaded.
Theseus> I think they can be given religious territory.
[GoW]UnO> I am going to need to get to bed soon. Theseus, I am sure will as well.
Theseus> I think all of us roleplaying with RP will play a part.
[GoW]UnO> Theseus, CortHouse, Let's see this all through.
Theseus> I'm gonna let UnO get it all out...[]''6666666666666666666666666666666666666666
Theseus> That was the kitty.
Theseus> 457=10.;.
Theseus> again
MasterZen> LOL!!!!!!
MRex> haha
[GoW]UnO> Now, GS is proposing that GoW retains the land above the Jungle, the land below is split between the other allies, correct?
Theseus> Yes
MasterZen> speaking of kitty, check this thread out: http://central.masterzen.net/index.p...=0&#entry39158
[GoW]UnO> Now, the rest of that seems either common sense (coordinated military, sharing resources) or insignificant.
[GoW]UnO> So, this is the real heart of the matter.
Theseus> UnO: I think that's pretty good for you... certainly more than under the current circumstances.
[GoW]UnO> Am I correct in assuming this?
[GoW]UnO> Now, I will present where the difficulties will arise as far as GoW is considered.
Theseus> Yes. But there is more, not unimportant.
[GoW]UnO> such as?
Aggie> like the following Lego sw, rp sc, Gs se
[GoW]UnO> What more did I miss?
[GoW]UnO> RP returning?
[GoW]UnO> The rest of it is only what is neccessary to carry out the war from what I can see, having just went through everything you posted above.
Theseus> No, I am sorry, Uno is entirely correct. The hinges of evrything are that RP leaves Bob and GoW attacks ND.
Theseus> Everything else follows from there.
[GoW]UnO> Now, here is where we currently stand.
[GoW]UnO> Gathering Storm, in our eyes, has broken a NAP with us. I am well aware we disagree here, but this is our feeling on the issue.
[GoW]UnO> Roleplay has broken countless agreements.
[GoW]UnO> Neu Demogyptica, to this point, has not borken anything.
[GoW]UnO> That is not to say they are not a threat.
Theseus> I am past all of these things.
Theseus> Wow, that was a big statement.
[GoW]UnO> The way the game currently stands, Lego has a nice chunk of land, and a nice little vassal state courtesy of GS.
Theseus> I think we have all been learning what counts, and what does not, in this type of game.
[GoW]UnO> The way you are proposing it is that GS will have a nice chunk of land, a nice little vassal state courtesy of ourselves.
[GoW]UnO> Both of these two forces will also have a beachhead on Bob.
Theseus> Tell me what YOU want.
[GoW]UnO> GoW may indeed have the largest land at that point, but we all know land takes time to make productive at all.
[GoW]UnO> OPD in a PM stated something about needing to have techs 'flow from GoW to GS' as an "act of good faith".
[GoW]UnO> This is out of the question at this point in time.
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[GoW]UnO> RP returning will be a difficult sale, frankly. I think that COULD be agreed to in the future, though.
Theseus> All 'deal points'. We obviously want to get to GP ASAP... we have been made aware that saltpeter is rare.
Theseus> This is going to come back to haunt me, personally, but I have been angling for RP's end-game stance to be sort of Tibetan.
[GoW]UnO> However, given how this game goes, nature has been for the teams to follow the easiest and most profitable path.
MasterZen> proving this game is a microcosm of real life
Theseus> No sh*t.
[GoW]UnO> At this point, that would seem to be, upon the removal of ND, for Lego/GS and their respective vassals to remove GoW (aka the EVIL BACKSTABBING mercenaries) from the game.
[GoW]UnO> We will need some guarantee of this not happening.
[GoW]UnO> At least not easily.
[GoW]UnO> And therefore see it only fair that a foothold of porportional size be also allocated to GoW on Stormia.
Theseus> Furthest thing from it... I'm not speaking for all of GS here, but I LOVE the idea of you guys being mercs.
Theseus> Uh... no foothold on Stormia... very different proposition.
Theseus> But we can provide a guarantee.
[GoW]UnO> Of what sort?
Theseus> Give me a sec to say this right...
[GoW]UnO> Keep in mind who you are talking to. Internal PBEMS have taught us to trust but one person. Ourselves.
Theseus> Responding to UnO's last comment: I am a trusting sort. Either I deal with straight-up people or not. The log covers the issue, for me.
[GoW]UnO> Look, I'm going to be frank and honest.
[GoW]UnO> You are offering us more land, I give you that.
Theseus> OOOH, there's a teaser... I was about to propose something, but will wait.
[GoW]UnO> You say 'better' land, but 'better' is all relative.
Theseus> I was going to propose something good.
MRex> so propose it
[GoW]UnO> We have been acting on the current contract to the best of our abilities. Changin now would be difficult.
Theseus> [Theseus likes negotiating with UnO... straight up stuff]
[GoW]UnO> [then why did it take two hours to get here?]
[GoW]UnO> Now, I have in our forum stated I don't think you guys are serious about this.
Theseus> Hand shaking.
Theseus> We are 100% serious.
[GoW]UnO> You contacted us nearly two weeks ago, and I sent several requests.
Theseus> My fault...RL./
[GoW]UnO> Yet, here you come to talk only when you are threatening our cities.
Theseus> Also my fault...
Theseus> Let me speak...
[GoW]UnO> You may very well take some cities as well, but you will find that we are not the kind to back down, and will go down swinging if it comes to that.
Theseus> UnO, I kindly ask a moment...
Theseus> 0
[GoW]UnO> We have been bold, some would say rash in our plans, and there would be no real change if this continues the way it is.
[GoW]UnO> Sorry, go ahead.
Theseus> Whoa...
Theseus> OK, let me organize...
Theseus> Moment... Amy is on the4 line.
Theseus> (really)
** [GoW]UnO sets mode: +o Octavian_X
[GoW]UnO> Hello there Octavian. You scared me when I saw you enter.
[GoW]UnO> wasn't sure which team you were on.
Octavian_X> No one truly knows to whom I belong...
Octavian_X> Seriously, I would hope you know that I'm a citizen of the Gathering Storm.
[GoW]UnO> I didn't have my members list in front of me. Wasn't sure.
Aggie> well i believe you, why would one so claim if they weren't
[GoW]UnO> Im horrid with names.
Octavian_X> That's ok. all you Apolytonians are just one person to me...
MasterZen> I'll remember that next time we chat
MasterZen> j/k
Aggie> actually we are one person, just one very disturbed person
Cort> lol
Octavian_X> Honestly, at this point, that wouldn't suprise me...
MasterZen> Aggie, UnO and Panzer are all my DLs
Theseus> Back.
[GoW]UnO> I feel like it most the time.
[GoW]UnO> Theseus, your floor.
Theseus> I want to get past some of the pst animosity,
Theseus> [Sorry, I have a 5 week
Theseus> kitty attacking everything in sight]
[GoW]UnO> We are looking to the future, I can assure you. I don't see what you possibly can offer as a guarantee right now, but we are willing to listen.
Theseus> Land.
Theseus> The current situation is not tenable for anyone but Lego.
[GoW]UnO> On Bob. With Lego and GS BOTH having footholds just begging for a mutual enemy and a 'build off'
[GoW]UnO> Or a war.
Theseus> Yes.
Theseus> Do you expect more from ND?
[GoW]UnO> And how does this guarantee anything but our destruction as you and Lego kill us off?
Theseus> We would be offering a locked alliance,
[GoW]UnO> ND would be sharing our nation.
Theseus> ??
[GoW]UnO> Should the two of us be all that remained, that is.
[GoW]UnO> So, you are not interested in only ND, but with Lego as well.
Theseus> BRB
Theseus> Three, and then one. Unless you think something else would be more fun?
[GoW]UnO> ?
Theseus> So no, we are not asking you to commit against Lego.
Theseus> Everyone, what we are proposing is simple.
Theseus> We will evacuate RP to N. Stormia.
MasterZen> in summary: kill ND until they die
Theseus> Master of Zen? Try Master of Understatement...
[GoW]UnO> Trust for Trust. We are giving you a beachhead should we agree. One in return is not out of reason IMO, I fail to see what your hold up is, you are gifting much of it to RP anyway.
Theseus> Yes, we take down ND. Ideally (and this is just me) I'd like to do it as a worldwide gangbang... no reason, just cause.
Theseus> I am operating waaaaaay without charter here, UnO... beach head in N. Stormia acceptable?
[GoW]UnO> Is it at least negotiable?
Theseus> I am not sure I see the point... but yes.
[GoW]UnO> N stormia for S bob. Not equal SIZE but porportional. (stormia is smaller, so smaller beachhead)
Theseus> What complicated webs we weave...
[GoW]UnO> Point is naval invasion is damn near impossible, it provides SOME route should you not honor your 'locked alliance'
[GoW]UnO> Or whatever.
Theseus> We will honor such locked alliance... period. Did you you see my earlier point, btw? Locked and equal resources? I thought that a good idea.
[GoW]UnO> That is a good idea.
Theseus> There is a deal to be made here... logical, profitable, and fun.
Theseus> AAnd I gotta say... you brought up naval invasion... I cannot WAIT to try epic game Scandy. Seafaring rocks.
MasterZen> lucky those who have C3C already... :P
MRex> like me
[GoW]UnO> So, GS will discuss giving us a small beachhead in N stormia?
Panzer32> I'm playing Napoleonic Europe conquest... its great. I've got 4 armies that are killer.
Theseus> Yes. I am thinking of this as we go along, but if we do so you will be next to a very weak RP...we would would covenants that you not rape them.
[GoW]UnO> I know that will make some GoW members very much less pararnoid.
Theseus> Fine.
MasterZen> as long as RP doesn't pose a threat to us, we will not pose a threat to them
[GoW]UnO> Then, we have all this to discuss with our teams.
[GoW]UnO> RP off of Bob.
[GoW]UnO> GoW/GS attack ND, hope to include Lego.
[GoW]UnO> Once ND is destroyed, Land from Jungle North is GoW, south is Lego/GS
[GoW]UnO> RP is allowed to return eventually and GoW gets a beachhead.
Theseus> I would like to go futher... I see an alliance through at least a 3 team finale. Seriously, feel free to ask the Legos, I made a statement tonight that I would like to see GoW STRONGER>
Theseus> BRB
[GoW]UnO> I don't know if we can make that a deal for after the war, perhaps...
Theseus> We have at iming issue...
Theseus> timing
[GoW]UnO> Theseus, CourtHouse, Octavian, it is becomming late for me. I need to be off to bed, I suggest we continue this another time and take what is already here back to our teams.
Cort> yep - it's almost tijme for me to get up...
[GoW]UnO> Timing can be worked with the teams, and I am sure other issues will present themselves once this is digested.
[GoW]UnO> LOL, reminds me of doing the turnchats, cort.
Theseus> Agreed. Please note, much of which I have presented has already been discussed and approved wihtin GS. We are ready to deal.
[GoW]UnO> Wake up a 2AM to civ before work.
[GoW]UnO> I will be in touch tomorrow, Theseus, and we can schedule another chat then.
Theseus> Also, fyi, we have touched base with various members of Lego... if GS and GoW agree on this course of action, as far as we can tell they will join in.
[GoW]UnO> Gnight folks, looks like the Eagles won. btw.
Cort> Goodnight all ....
Theseus> GN
Aggie> goodnight
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MasterZen> goodnight
MasterZen> doh, too late
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Session Close: Mon Nov 10 00:12:19 2003
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