DIPLO: Glory of War contact LOG

[Theseus]

To Un0:

I am around tonight... we just got a new kitten.

(I almost wrote 'chicken', and then started to write War Kitten )

T/R

From Un0:

Sorry.

My wife's car broke down, and I have been spending all weekend repairing it.

You have an IM of some kind?

Im on AIM with SirUlias.

Anyhow, things that need be addressed:

Right now, the official position of GoW is that we are at war with RP, and that any conflicts with Gathering Storm is no more or less than collateral of that war. As such, there are those that would not like to see RP survive the current conflict.

However, we are currently under contract to remove RP from Bob. The concensus on the team is that we need to follow through with that contract to it's end. After this contract is concluded, though, we will, as a team, be open to accepting RP's future from that point.

So, the answer to your original question is both yes and no. We cannot stop aggression on RP at this time. However, once our current contract is resolved, we are open to nearly any new contract.

For a Price.

That price will include a good portion of Bob, I will tell you that now, and that would include access to at least one source of all resources, though we are discussing possibility of having those gifted to us.

From our point of view, we are already promised half of Bob by tiles and resources under our current contract. A contract with a nation you already agree has been faithfull and peacefull unto us.

Basically, would GS accept removal of RP from Bob as a condition to be met before GoW can enter into a new contract?

Secondly, if so, what is GS and her allies willing to pay GoW for assistance in attacking ND? An assistance which offers the greatest risk to GoW, not any of the others involved.

Back at Un0:

I have posted the latter part of your PM in our forum... we'll get back to you over the next few days. Question: Under your current contract, does RP's absence from Bob need to be permanent?

I don;t really IM much, although I have an MSN Chat account.

T/R

[OPD]

Spoke to MZ in IRC.

Bigfree was shooting his mouth about how GoW were handing lego the game and was telling him to agree to a backstab on ND. So I sent him a message saying we should keep RP out of the discussion.



I think I was a bit hard on him or kinda threatening but I wanted to give him something to think about.

This is looking like it could really work out.
I think it is possible to get them to agree to having RP on bob aswell. Rather than just GS.

Although how badly do we really want to keep RP in the game????




*opd> I think it's better if this is discussed with just GS and GoW later on
*MZ[dinner]> obviously
*MZ[dinner]> I don't mind dealing with GS in the future, but RP will have no part in our plans
*MZ[dinner]> we did not waste a GA and a buildup just to let them live
*opd> what you mean BF didn't convince you with him argument
*MZ[dinner]> hahaha
*MZ[dinner]> seriously I know your team has sent a very interesting offer
*opd> yes
*MZ[dinner]> and we are equally serious in considering it (you can quote everything I say in your forum)
*opd> ok
*opd> to tell you the truth I think this war sucks big time
*MZ[dinner]> however, we have a contract to fullfill, that involves getting rid of the biggest threat to Bob which is RP. After RP we can think of other threats to Bob
*opd> RP are no longer a threat to anyone but Vox
*opd> I think GoW and GS could easily come up with a war thats a hell of alot more one sided
*MZ[dinner]> any deals and schemes between GoW-GS are very acceptable. Just leave RP out of it. The sooner RP is gone the sooner we can move on to bigger and better things
*opd> Do think there will be a time when RP are out of the game?
*MZ[dinner]> we wouldn't be fighting if we didn't think that
*MZ[dinner]> *WhiteBandit> frankly, the lines of teachery and hate have been drawn on both sides of this war. there is no way either side can ever work together effectively
*MZ[dinner]> that my friend is the summary of everything. We simply don't trust RP. Never have, never will
*MZ[dinner]> if RP has even ONE city on Bob we do not doubt they would somehow use whatever limited power they have to find a way to screw us
*opd> Well they aren't going to screw you in anyway and you have nothing to really fear from them
*opd> they only power they have is the nation they are allied with
*MZ[dinner]> I hope GS understands this. It is not our hearts talking, it's history talking. RP has screwed all of us around. We're frankly sick of it
*MZ[dinner]> so then what's the purpose of keeping them alive if they don't serve a purpose?
*MZ[dinner]> i'm sure GS has better things to do than fight a war overseas
*opd> no
*opd> we fight to prevent there being 2 superpowers ruling all of bob
*MZ[dinner]> getting rid of ND would do the same
*opd> 2 superpowers that are already allied and will likely rule the world
*MZ[dinner]> our alliance ends the moment the last RP unit is dead
*MZ[dinner]> you think we haven't thought of ND backstabbing us?
*opd> theoretically speaking how many cities would you have to lose to agree to allow RP to stay on bob
*MZ[dinner]> why would we lose them?
*opd> if theoretically GS were to raze them
*MZ[dinner]> what cities?
*opd> lol
*opd> I dunno
*MZ[dinner]> you gotta take em first
*opd> I don't mean to threaten
*opd> if GoW were to be faced with losing all their cities or making peace with RP what would you do?
*MZ[dinner]> ah so you are planning a massive invasion of GoW?
*opd>
*opd> but seriously it comes down to maths
*opd> is it worth GS taking GoW out of the game in order to have a puppet state on Bob
*opd> how much would we lose compared to what we'd gain
*MZ[dinner]> if hypothetically GS took out GoW why would you guys worry about RP?
*opd> I don't think we would
*MZ[dinner]> exactly
*MZ[dinner]> so then what's the point?
*opd> I don't see what you mean
*MZ[dinner]> why would you want GoW to make peace with RP if GS could take out GoW?
*opd> because we don't want to have to fight GoW, then ND, the Lego
*opd> We'd much rather GS and GoW fight ND the Lego.
*opd> Even if it means we have to throw hideous amounts of land at you
*MZ[dinner]> you just said it. GS and GoW. I don't see where RP fits into this
*opd> well we kinda said we'd protect them
*MZ[dinner]> by having your army on bob, theoretically you are *tsk* *tsk*
*opd> we said we'd protect them so we can't really sell their ass to you guys
*opd> as funny as that would be
*opd> alot of people left GS over the thing where we were acussed of being dishonest with you over the NAP
*MZ[dinner]> well if you though you were honest why did that bother them?
*MZ[dinner]> truth is always in the eye of the beholder
*opd> true
*MZ[dinner]> it's more likely we were both RIGHT than we were both wrong, or one of us right and one of us wrong
*opd> it's all in the past though really
*opd> the problem for the moment is that if GS were to screw RP, alot of GS would likely leave
*MZ[dinner]> you guys need to be more realpolitikish :P
*opd> rather than deal with the eventual crap than RP
*opd> rather than deal with the eventual crap from RP
*opd> that what I meant
*MZ[dinner]> no-one is telling GS to screw RP
*MZ[dinner]> we could simply how should I put it... reduce the intensity of battle between GoW/ND and GS units
*opd> we could get ND to use all their units attack RP
*MZ[dinner]> you know, right around the time we took all their southern cities we offered them a chance to survive: we offered them a very nice chunk of land south of the mountains all the way up to barcelona. They threw it back on our face
*MZ[dinner]> actually that was before we took their cities
*opd> what was the deal?
*opd> was it simply complete peace?
*MZ[dinner]> I don't really have a map with me but you see the mountains that run more or less north-easterly up to the river near new madrid, we offered them that part
*opd> how did GS figure in this deal
*MZ[dinner]> btw, there's something I don't get about this latest GS proposal
*MZ[dinner]> GS would be out of Bob
*opd> RP will be lucky to see that much land ever again
*MZ[dinner]> assuming we let RP live, and we backstab ND, and ND is out of the game, would Bob be split among GoW and RP or would GS get a bigass chucnk too?
*MZ[dinner]> it was not a bad deal compared to their present situation
*MZ[dinner]> they could fit around 8 cities in that land
*opd> we'd have to look into that
*MZ[dinner]> much more land and of better quality than Vox has now
*MZ[dinner]> because frankly if you guys just want to balance the power, I see no difference in GoW/ND splitting than GoW/Rp
*MZ[dinner]> at least ND is MUCH more trustworthy than RP
*opd> GS will likely get a piece of the pie
*opd> If you don't want RP to get much land GS can take more
*opd> GS are prepared to be very generous
*MZ[dinner]> lol
*opd> we'd have to look at the domination limit though
*MZ[dinner]> honestly and this is MY opinion, not GoW's, I'd much rather have GS on Bob than RP
*MZ[dinner]> I don't see how we could trust RP, GS on the other hand we feel can be trusted in the future
*opd> how would you see lego figuring in this?
*opd> ok
*MZ[dinner]> the idea would be to straighten our **** quick so we can maybe have a "build-off"
*opd> lmao
*opd> what?
*MZ[dinner]> unless you guys want more war...
*opd> I can't believe you bought that build off **** Lego have been suggesting
*MZ[dinner]> GoW? build-off? come on, it's an oxymoron
*opd> that sounds like way too much fun
*opd>
*MZ[dinner]> but we DO need a period of peace to build up for more war
*opd> the way I see it every nation should have to be fighting for survival at some point in the game
*opd> Lego shouldn't get to have railroads when they do
*opd> what if you were to get all of lego
*MZ[dinner]> that's a lot
*opd> yeah thats why we'd have to look at the domination limit
*opd> not that I can offer you that
*opd> I don't have the authority
*MZ[dinner]> likewise, most of what I have said are my ideas, not necessarily the teams'
*opd> cool
*MZ[dinner]> but you should post it so we can further the discussion
*opd> oh yes I'm going to
*opd> I think this is a good start
*MZ[dinner]> and like I said, we are VERY open to any suggestion that doesn't involve RP
*opd> ok
*opd> I have to go now
*opd> nice talking with you
*MZ[dinner]> same here
*MZ[dinner]> maybe we can have something more "official" in the days or weeks to come
*opd> yeah I think days may be better
*opd> you should contact Theseus really
*opd> ok later

[Theseus]

Sent to Un0:

I know things have been a little quiet, and you and I have had RL stuff in the way... but even so, we are at quite the crux point.

We need to chat. Given current players' level of activity, I suggest you, me, MZ, and OPD.

In the interim, RP is faced with some imortant choices (like, NOW)... I am not quite sure what to advise them. Understand, any solution that we (GS) can enter into will include RP in some way... honor demands such.

Does your contract against RP's presence on Bob preclude a non-disclosed-third-party-negotiated-NAP for a limited period of time? Further, will your own code of honor allow such?

We have not yet determined what we can provide for your services... I would say, however, that much like the historic relations of sovereign nations and mercenary forces, we will certainly provide opportunities for lands and positions (i.e., we can covenant to a big chunk of the best of Bob, as well as glory and riches).
____________

/me cuts to the chase again (and really, this is just me):

I'm just thinking... we get RP to relo to North Stormia and become a religious zone. GS and GoW smack ND down. We head to the west...

The resolution between us, GS and GoW?

Well, I gotta say, I want to win. Is there a way for that to happen in which GoW gets some other reward? A merc thing? Domain of Lego? Military command? Just blue-skying...

T/R

[Theseus]

From Un0:

My deepest apologies.

My home modem fried last night, I was trying to get ahold of you. I have posted this in the forum, and will be PMing MZ to get with you for a chat time. If I can fix my modem by then, I'll certainly attend, if not, MZ will handle everything just fine.

As to the question of RP PREMENANTLY leaving, there is nothing in our contract REQUIRING that, but there are those who have hard feelings towards their team. I don't know if a kind of permanent PEACE with them would be possible or not, would need to go to a vote.

As for us being your personal goons (tm) for the rest of the game, forfeiting a win, I was TRYING to basically set that up from the beginning with you guys (only with us two having an enjoyable fight to the end) then you had to go and help out RP :P

I don't know what the current mind set of the team is on that point, though.

[Theseus]

To Un0:

No problem... sorry I couldn't get back to you before (work).

We are *very* interested in pursuing this idea.

I'll be straight up though, and tell you that just as GoW has some grudges re RP, some of our team remember some difficulties with GoW. I do NOT want us all to get into flames about this... it is ancient history as far as I'm concerned, but please be aware that it's an issue on my side.

Also, please be aware that until there is a formal cessation of hostilities, we (and all involved) must of course continue on our current course of action.

Oh yeah, and one more thing: We are about to (finally) open a big can o' whoopass on somebody.

(Please make sure to re-insert the smiley if you post this. )

T/R

[OPD]

sent to Aggie

Heya Aggie,

hows it going?

I had a discussion with MZ a while back about the current war between the our 2 nations. If possible I'd like to once again open discussions between us. Please note that none of what was said between us was passed on to RP, nor will anything you say be passed on.

Here is the last message between us received by Theseus from UnO.

As to the question of RP PREMENANTLY leaving, there is nothing in our contract REQUIRING that, but there are those who have hard feelings towards their team. I don't know if a kind of permanent PEACE with them would be possible or not, would need to go to a vote.

As for us being your personal goons (tm) for the rest of the game, forfeiting a win, I was TRYING to basically set that up from the beginning with you guys (only with us two having an enjoyable fight to the end) then you had to go and help out RP :P

I don't know what the current mind set of the team is on that point, though.

So what are your current thoughts on the war? And what is the mind set of your team. Do you think that an agreement can be reached between us?

[Theseus]

Also shot brief PMs to Un0 and MZ following up on our discussion of a possible chat last week.

[OPD]

respose from Aggie, recieved about 6 or 7 hours ago.

Re: PTWDG
Hi OPD, its strange being on opposite sides of a war from people we used to work so well with in the past.

First off, these are my views and not necessarily those of GOW.

I believe that peace is possible between us. The main item preventing that is the presence of RP on our continent. I do not share this dislike, however many on my team do. Am I correct in assuming that the cities on N. Estonia are the first signs of an RP relocation. If so peace is closer in some ways that earlier.

On the other hand the landing of force near our homeland has complicated matters somewhat. Now I am not suprised at this development(I would have sent the first forces to this area, not the south). However, this event has the potential to change a distant war between nations on foreign soil to a war of national survival and perhaps to world war. Once this line is crossed events become much more complicated. For example, as of now I have not activated plans for an invasion of estonia, obviously I can not allow a potential invasion launch point to go unmolested.

Obviously, East Bob is not vitally important for any other reason than location, just as N Estonia is not vital to GS except for its location. So a war there can not truly be called a war of national survival and it is possible that we can overlook this event and make peace. The problem is that this is my personal view and not that of my team. It is possible that once national pride is insulted, peace will only come at a high price. So on this, I ask you to please reconsider your actions in N Bob, mainly ask yourself "Is the possible gain worth the definite losses and problems caused".

On the real issue though, RP on Bob, I see hope. The question is "how can GS make a peace deal with us and honor their deal with RP". I am a man of honor myself and do not expect you to violate a preexisting agreement. Does the Alliance with them have a time limit(that is reasonably close). If so perhaps we could have a cease fire till then and with the Alliance expired RP would be forced to accept a deal to relocate. Or is the Alliance for the"duration of hostilities". In that case we can simply make peace and then restar the war. In that event GS has honored their agreement and can hold its head high. I mean you have done valiantly and bravely and have endured significant losses with no potential of compensating gains. Lets face it the war gives no real gain for you or us and peace is desirable. All this being said I must stress(as theseus did) that until we have a solid agreement that we will continue all military actions.

After we have peace, then other plans can be made.

Best wishes and good luck
Aggie

[OPD]

sent to GoW at 2pm GMT

Aggie,

It is a shame we are on opposite sides.

However if we were to reach an agreement I'm sure you'd very much like working with the generals of GS. I find wars like this alot more fun when the odds are in more your favour and am sure you would too.

First of all I do not want to talk about what we are doing, what we will do, what we could do or what you may do as I don't think that would be constructive.
I believe we can make a good and fair agreement without threats or statements about how big millitaries are. There is nothing to gain from such statements or hints, instead we would like to entice you to join us. You stated that you would like RP off you continent. We think it may be possible for this to happen. What else would you like from us?

All I will say is that the flow cannot and will not stop. So from what you say in your pm it is of vital importance that we come to some sort of agreement very quickly.

And now for the good news!!!
As you may be aware Lego have recently contacted us. Their message has given us the opportunity we needed to get close to convincing RP that northern estonia would be the best place for them.

We believe it is possible that RP can agree to a RPodus and so an agreement between our 2 nations is possible. For the great benefit of us and perhaps the demise of everyone else.

We would very much like to know what sort of deal you'd like to make with us, we'd like to split Bob between us and perhaps even make further plans...

What do you say to us entering into a contract with you for the destruction of ND, as a first step?

You may be aware that there are certain people within GS who are untrusting of GoW and therfore we would like assurances that if we leave Bob alone and have us move forward together, that we do not have a risk of losing more than the position we currently have.
Specifically as a token of good will we would ask that technologies be passed from you to us so that there can be no turning back.

hope to hear from you soon

[OPD]

received about 2 mins ago

Sounds positive. I figured Lego's action would have such an impact. I'll discuss with my team and see where all stand.
Aggie

[Theseus]

From Un0:

I've asked in the forum.

Typically, both Panzer and MZ would be online around that time. Aggie, I am unsure of, and GF attends when he feels like it... I don't try to track his timing.

I'll try to get a working outline (as has become customary with 'my' chats) to you a bit before the chat. Are there specific items that you want to hit? I really try to keep these more formal and business like than you may be used to, I find it helps everyone to stay focused on our goals.

As such, I would propose that both parties agree that this chat is not to decide, but rather to identify exactly what is being proposed. Then, that is brought back to a full vote of both the teams before a decision is made.

I am aware that the 'on the spot' decision of the NAP caused some discord within GS, and this rule will help to prevent anything similar happening now as well as anything similar occuring in GoW.

A second rule I would like to apply is some kind of deadline to the decision making process. Allot of our feelings that GS is difficult to deal with is a direct result that we are often left hanging and awaiting an answer. As such, I would propose that both teams meet or at least PM each other with some form of progress report on the proposals within a 72 hour period from the end of the chat.

Sorry to sound so formal, but I find that these three items: An Agenda to follow before a meeting, an action plan following a meeting, and a deadline for those actions, are essential to having a successfull meeting in any format.

Frankly, I think that is more the reason why our past negotiations failed, for the final meeting I did not attend, and none of those took place.

You have IRC? I suggest #GoW_CoFA as the meeting place and we can set a password up between now and then.

[Theseus]

My reply:

Excellent... organization, what a concept.

What is the earliest that you can participate? I will be good this evening from 7:30 pm EST forward, if you can get an agenda out (with a little time for me to respond to the agenda, as we have put some structured thought into a possible deal).

T

[Theseus]

From Un0:

The trouble is my wife is working.

I can be around, but only lurking as early as 5 PM EST, but I can't REALLY get down and dirty till late...10:30-11PM EST.

MZ is just about now waking up, and I haven't seen him respond to my request for a time and neither has anyone else as of yet.

I haven't had enough time, and won't really, to sort out all that has gone on between OPD and Aggie. My first attempt at a rough draft for an outline is as follows:



Each side presents their current position. We have been out of contact long enough for this to be beneficial again. It is how I started the initial discussions last time.

Perhaps a list of reasons why peace is beneficial, but I don't think this is needed. We both know that ongoing war is only benefitting really one team...

I suggest Gathering Storm go first, and present what they would like from an agreement for peace between our two nations: What land, where, why, help with ND, etc. I HOPE to allow this to continue uninterrupted, but cannot control individuals on my team...

GoW presents what they want for such a peace/cooperation to exist. Again, I hope to present this uninterrupted, but individuals will be themselves...

Give time for debate and compromising here. This section actually may require a second chat to be scheduled as it could be lengthy. I believe that a compromise can be reached, though.


Is there any changes/additions you see that really need to be made?

FYI, I don't have enough time or energy to be playing around. Hence, the very business-like attitude that will continue through all discussions. I don't have the time to be dancing around subjects, and will present everything straightforward. My wife prefers to call it tactless, but that is what you will get, straight up. I know there are those on my own team that do not act in such a manner, but this is what you can expect from me here and as long as I am your ambassador.

(And if I have any say, it is what can be expected from the mercenary team as a whole on MZO)

[Theseus]

Proposed reply:

Un0:

You will find that GS will respond very well to an all-business approach. If anything, remembering the flame wars, one of our problems was that maintaining such an approach ourselves did not mesh with some other teams' and individuals' expectations, and further left us vulnerable to personal attacks, whether real or feigned.

I like your agenda; may I further flesh it out with this addition of potential deal points (feel free to suggest edits / improvements):

* Roleplay
* Lego / Vox
* Territory
* Gold
* Techs
* Resources
* Military coordination
* Completion of contract

T

[Theseus]

Part I

Session Start: Sun Nov 09 21:39:08 2003
Session Ident: #GoW_CoFA
* Logging #GoW_CoFA to 'logs\GoW.GRNet.log'
Theseus> I am a newb at both IRC and diplo. I am turning on the log now, and I would like to start with a discussion of confidentiality.
[GoW]UnO> Go ahead.
** Cort has joined #GoW_CoFA
Aggie> welcome
Theseus> First, are we agreed that this chat is to be held confidential between GS and GoW?
Cort> hi
Theseus> Hi CH!
MasterZen> hey CH!
** MasterZen sets mode: +o Cort
MasterZen> Theseus, agreed
Aggie> reasonable
Theseus> Next: It ain;t that confidential. Nimitz and Sharpe know we are chatting. Future reference... chat channels should not include team names.
MasterZen> better yet, just make them secret
Theseus> Yeah, I ma new to this, that should always be done ASAP.
[GoW]UnO> I thought Panzer did when it was made, I should have checked.
Theseus> Un0, would you like to be MAster of Ceremonies?
[GoW]UnO> Err what?
Theseus> Your agenda.
[GoW]UnO> I'll be on and off till my kids go to bed.
Theseus> OK, I'll just jump into it.
MasterZen> I'll take over from UnO if necessary
Theseus> Your call.
MasterZen> go ahead, you can start
[GoW]UnO> Theseus, would you like to go first, or shall I?
Theseus> I will... uh, we can see YK.
Aggie> yes
Theseus> Nice volley.
Aggie> we noticed
Theseus> I hope it's OK with you guys... I like to keep things friendly and remember it's a game.
Panzer32> valley you mean?
Panzer32> Welcome to the beautiful Province of Isolationia, Theseus
Aggie> i believe so, actually the war has been fun, no matter how it turns out
Theseus> Good.
Panzer32> You will find me at the capital building in YK
Theseus> Before we go on: What do you mean Panzer?
Panzer32> nothing important
Theseus> roleplayig, or provincial control?
Panzer32> Isolationia is a province of GoW
Panzer32> I control it
Theseus> Not prying, just interested.
Panzer32> but yes I'm RPing
Panzer32> sure
MasterZen laughes from his balcony from his Castle of Darkness in Zenophobia
Cort> Nice name
[GoW]UnO> Land of the dragons.
MasterZen> thanks, I usually name my capital in PBEMs like that
Cort> I thought dragoons were only in Civ2
Theseus> Theseusville is my standard... not very imaginative.
Aggie> hehe
Theseus> @CH: lol
[GoW]UnO> Never mind, my story...
Panzer32> My title is "Consul of Internal Affairs, King of Trafalgar, and Lord of all Isolationia"
Cort> Nice title
Theseus> Well, Isolationia is part of the current stroy.
[GoW]UnO> Ok. Guys, can we aproach something resembling a point?
Panzer32> ok
Theseus> We do not want to attack you.
Theseus> How's that?
[GoW]UnO> Go on Theseus, I'm just trying to keep it on topic.
[GoW]UnO> One needs to slap GoW around now and then to keep them focused.
Theseus> We think southern Bob is a friggin' QUAGMIRE, and we ar bored with it.
Theseus> We think it only benefits Lego.
MasterZen> wait till you see the north
Cort> @MZ:lol
Theseus> Yup, we know.
Theseus> Sorry... pause... Amy wants me for a minute.
Cort> Ahem, we were wondering that it's probably not in our mutual interest to spend so many shields on each other like this
Panzer32> probably not
Aggie> this war is expensive for little real gain
[GoW]UnO> For all involved, that can be agreed.
Cort> wouldn't you fancy the land to your immediate south rather than all the way down there in Spain?
[GoW]UnO> My mom is IMing me, I'll be away for a minute.
MasterZen> I believe this chat was planned to get into such arrangements regarding land to our "immediate south"
Cort> and perhaps swift fullfilment of an otherwise perhaps tedious contract?
Theseus> Back.
Panzer32> what is your proposal. I hate this skirting the issue
Theseus> Ahem... to jump to the chase:
Theseus> We would like to contract with GoW.
Cort> RP of Bob and a better chunk of the continent than you can get with ND
Cort> off, not of
MasterZen> "off" bob I presume
MasterZen> xpost
MasterZen> sounds "arrangeable"
Cort> what chunk did you have in mind?
Theseus> Sorry... mIRC is weird, can;t control the window.
Theseus> Got it.
Theseus> Yes, we would like to contract with you... for the eradication of ND.
Theseus> We acknowledge that this will first require the removal of RP from Bob in order for you to complete your current contract.
MasterZen> that would definitely be in order, sounds like a "RPodus (tm)" to me
Cort> omg not again
Theseus> Grrrr
MasterZen> ok, just kidding
Theseus> Alright, we can call it an Rpodus, but it'll cost ya!
[GoW]UnO> Im back.
Cort> they'll like it in old voxia
Theseus> Did Un0 post in your forum the outline of deal issues that I ahd PMed him?
[GoW]UnO> Yes.
[GoW]UnO> and its an O not a 0 damn it.
Theseus> So sorry, I've been writing it the wrong way for months!
[GoW]UnO> I'm well aware...
Cort> but many at GS would like to reinstall them in part of old spain one day... is that inconcievable for GoW?
Theseus> (I thought you were doing the leet thing)
Theseus> Sorry
Theseus> Try being called rpodus
Cort> gentlemen, this is the war room!
MasterZen> leet is f0r l0053r5...err.... nevermind
Theseus> You can't fight here!!
Panzer32 moves an infantry figurine over 1 inch
Theseus> ok
Theseus> RP off Bob... acceptable?
[GoW]UnO> Acceptable...required is a better statement.
Theseus> Done.
Theseus> ND off Bob... off the PLANET... accetable?
Theseus> acceptable
Theseus> (pregnant pause)
[GoW]UnO> Possible.
[GoW]UnO> I said earlier, This is not to agree to anything, but rather to hammer out the deal to be brought back to discussion in the forum.
Theseus> Fair enough.
[GoW]UnO> Yes, we agree to discuss it, but not to DO it at this point.
Theseus> Yes, for us as well.
Cort> meanwhile we don't really want to be clonking each others pieces, I'd venture
Theseus> We see things as follows: The current situation in suthern Bob is a waste of time. Spain has been eviscerated, and now GoW, ND, and GS are just wasting time and shields.
Theseus> Frankly, Lego is the winner in this conflict.
[GoW]UnO> True.
Panzer32> 6*And blockhead secret Lego agent over here is loving it...
Theseus> We also look at the map of Bob, and even though you are our 'enemy', we have to notice that it is awfully yellow.
Panzer32> the black is hard to see thats why we chose it
[GoW]UnO slaps Panzer
Theseus> lol
Panzer32> its completely true
[GoW]UnO> "fog of war"
MasterZen> plus, there's already a plethora of phrases for other colors "yellow peril" "red scourge" etc. there's nothing about black yet
[GoW]UnO> Please continue Theseus.
Theseus> Put yourselves in our place... we do not believe we can win the game with Stormia as our sole territory.
[GoW]UnO> Fair enough.
Theseus> We also have a desire to help RP survive... logical? No.
MasterZen> lol
Theseus> We also want a fun game.
Theseus> BRB... sorry for the delay,
Cort> Guys, how did you get Lego to put their asses on the line for you? That was impressive.
[GoW]UnO> Alright, as long as there's a delay, I'll put my kids to bed.
Aggie> delicate diplomacy
[GoW]UnO> Asses?
Cort> they're not all too happy about getting pulled into a war....
Panzer32> my blockhead connections worked very well thank you
MasterZen> traitor! :P
Panzer32> actually I had a whole explanation of the blockheads typed up and ready to post but I lost the file
Cort> you must have played the damsel in distress
Theseus> Back.
Theseus> The current situation is a non-starter.
Theseus> We have a better idea.
Aggie> well this is about gow/GS not lego
Panzer32> basically when I was (still am) King of Trafalgar, the Western Port, we sent galleys to Lego for exploration and they brought back Legolian ideals and so we started a group called the blockheads.
Theseus> You are mercs? We want to hire you.
Theseus> We think we can remove RP from Bob.
Aggie> what if they don't won't to go
MasterZen> yeah, that's a big "if"
Theseus> Then we are full of it... but I think it can be done. Can we have a discussion on that predicate?
Aggie> sure
[GoW]UnO> Sorry, back.
Theseus> Here is the heart of the offer: RP leaves. We join together, and eradicate ND (Lego and Vox involved, preferebly). You get a LOT more of Bob. Other terms TBD.
Theseus> How do you like THEM apples?
[GoW]UnO> It's worth discussing. I'll present our side of this when you are done. What does GS want out of this?
Theseus> A chunk of Bob. Resources, alhtough we have a bright idea about how to share. The possibility of helping RP re-build part of Spain... we know that is an emotional issue, but it is important to us. Other stuff.
Aggie> where would rp be allowed to rebuild
MasterZen> I'm sure there are a number of 1-tile tundra islands we haven't discovered yet
Theseus> Don't know yet...
[GoW]UnO> "Other Stuff" is a bit vague for my taste on attempting to finalize a proposal.
Theseus> UnO, we are not anywhere CLOSE to finalisin.
Theseus> g
[GoW]UnO> Can I ask something?
Theseus> Sure
[GoW]UnO> How far are you willing to go to keep RP alive?
Theseus> Pretty far.
[GoW]UnO> Not just for this conflict, but into the future as well?
Theseus> We are contemplating gifting them N. Stormia.
[GoW]UnO> We are well aware of that part.
[GoW]UnO> Is this a permanent protection?
MasterZen> or like a war-long contract like us with ND?
Theseus> Dunno... it is emotional at this point. IN fact, I can't even recall if it IS a contract.
[GoW]UnO> Fair enough.
Theseus> What a weird thing all of this is.
Theseus> Counts to me, though.
Aggie> this didn;t turn out like we all expected
[GoW]UnO> A plan only lasts until the first engagement.
Theseus> Bizzie-marckie.
MasterZen> -Clausewitz
Theseus> Oops, MZ is right.
Cort> what did you expect, Aggie?
Aggie> what would make you stop fighting us
Theseus> A partnership.
Aggie> i don't know this was my first MP war, but not this thats for sure
[GoW]UnO> Alright, let me see if I have this all straight.
MasterZen> look this is a personal observation, I don't trust RP at all. AT ALL. I know they will want to try and do something to hurt us later in the game. What is GS's view on this? I trust GS much more than I do RP
Cort> RP live ny oue say so ...
[GoW]UnO> 1. Gathering Storm convinces RP to leave.
Cort> I'll try again
[GoW]UnO> This frees GoW of their current Contract.
Theseus> I'm gonna let UnO get it all out...
[GoW]UnO> 2. At this point Gathering Storm Proposes that GS and GoW enter into a contract to erradicate the yellow stain.
Theseus> Can't help myself: ERRADICATE THE YELLOW STAIN!!!
[GoW]UnO> In return, Gathering Storm is offering GoW "a lot more of Bob" and "Other terms to be determined"
Theseus> Can't hel myself: I am willing to get much more specific.
Theseus> (This is turning into a pattern)
[GoW]UnO> Gathering Storm gets "A chunk of Bob, resources, and an opportunity to return a portion of Spain, and "other Stuff"
[GoW]UnO> Specific? Please. Lets hear it.
Theseus> Waiting for that... but first, are you amenable?
[GoW]UnO> Im not a dictionary...amenable?
[GoW]UnO> (Despite my...*cough* so very intelligent writing)
[GoW]UnO> (yeah right)
[GoW]UnO> Theseus, it is not out of the realm of possibilities at this point, no.
Theseus> Sorry... I'm gonna put some further deal terms on the table... if they are *decent* are you guys serious about ab possible deal?
[GoW]UnO> It's a bit vague to even venture a guess at whether it will be accepted.
MasterZen> you name 'em, we discuss them, nothing is ever outrageous, especially to GoW
[GoW]UnO> Lord that's the truth.
Theseus> Fair enough.
Theseus> Bear with me...