DIPLO: Glory of War contact LOG

[Arrian]

Just received from UnO, via PM:

Inchon
Let it be known I am no longer your ambassador, and what I am about to say is not an official request in any way.

I have, as a man, dealt honestly and openly with all of you during our negotiations.

During a casual conversation in another game, it was mentioned in passing that you gifted Inchon to RP and received it back. We never saw this for the game passed us by in the 'acceptance' phase. This concerns me little, that is your perrogative. However:

I ask as one man to another, each of you:

Were there units in Inchon during this gifting?

UnOrthOdOx

I don't want to tell him, but I also don't want to ignore him.

Anybody wanna help me compose a short, noncomittal response?

-Arrian

[notyoueither]

Received from GF.

Re: The Situation

Gathering Storm,

There is no Non Agression Pact, you have already violated it by engaging in hostile activity against us. Your attempts to put words in our mouth is a testament to how well Roleplay is controlling you. No longer do you honor your agreements but attempt to disguise the breaking of them with flowering words.

To take cities right before we attack them, not all at once mind you just cities we prepare to attack, and then demand our troops withdraw is HOSTILE ACTIVITY. Slowing down and detouring our troops is HOSTILE ACTIVITY, Giving Inchon to Roleplay to move vast numbers of troops to invade Bob is HOSTILE ACTIVITY. Landing large numbers of troops on Bob with your fleet is HOSTILE ACTIVITY. You have dishonored the NAP not once, but repeatedly, and left us with NO OTHER COURSE FOR SURVIVAL but to defend ourselves and the worthless paper you refuse to honor.

GhengisFarb, Ambassador to GS.

[notyoueither]

Grabed Panzer for a quick chat to gauge the seriousness of GF's words. It sounds like war.

Session Start: Mon Jul 28 19:35:52 2003
Session Ident: Panzer32
[19:35] *nye* hi
[19:36] *Panzer32* hi there
[19:36] *nye* we are wondering if gf is communicating gow's true position?
[19:38] *Panzer32* he is our official ambassador
[19:38] *Panzer32* therefore, yes, he is
[19:39] *nye* There is no Non Agression Pact, you have already violated it by engaging in hostile activity against us. Your attempts to put words in our mouth is a testament to how well Roleplay is controlling you. No longer do you honor your agreements but attempt to disguise the breaking of them with flowering words.
[19:39] *nye* so, you are breaking the nap?
[19:39] *Panzer32* I believe that says that you have
[19:40] *nye* well, that is why i am talking to you
[19:40] *nye* how is our having got cities first violating any agreement between us?
[19:40] *Panzer32* Lets say GoW knows the NAP is over
[19:41] *nye* yes. i guess you do, if you say so.
[19:41] *nye* an agreement only lasts until someone breaks it
[19:41] *Panzer32* the NAP calls for no "hostile activity" between us
[19:41] *Panzer32* we believe GS has been acting hostile towards us
[19:41] *nye* what is hostile about our having obtained citiies through diplomacy?
[19:42] *nye* you may colour it any way you wish, we are not the ones with stacks parked in your territory, making demands
[19:42] *Panzer32* those cities were obviously gifted to stop us from taking them and/or to block us. The blocking thing is even more prevalent because you granted us no ROP
[19:43] *nye* again, how is our gaining cities diplomatically hostile to gow? what if we landed and beat you to them with troops?
[19:44] *nye* it all matters little.
[19:44] *nye* if gow intends to attack, so be it
[19:44] *Panzer32* the RoP issue was vital; we felt you were 'blocking'
[19:44] *Panzer32* ok
[19:44] *nye* ok. we have no rop
[19:44] *Panzer32* correct
[19:44] *nye* and we are serious that our land is not somnething for foreign tropps to drop in on anytime they feel like it
[19:45] *nye* have we ever done that to gow?
[19:46] *nye* at any rate. i suppose the die is cast
[19:46] *nye* good luck
[19:46] *nye* many will go to valhalla
[19:47] *nye* it will be glorious
[19:48] *Panzer32* bye for now!
[19:48] *nye* bye
Session Close: Mon Jul 28 19:49:08 2003

[notyoueither]

UnO approached me.

Session Start: Mon Jul 28 21:21:15 2003
Session Ident: UnOrthOdOx
[21:21] Session Ident: UnOrthOdOx (~unorthodo@ACC4B7C8.ipt.aol.com)
[21:21] *UnOrthOdOx* Howdy.
[21:21] *nye* hello.
[21:21] *nye* can you give me a few minutes? just reporting for isdg turn
[21:21] *UnOrthOdOx* No troubles.
[21:22] *nye* brb
[21:27] *nye* ok. i am here
[21:27] *UnOrthOdOx* How are things?
[21:28] *UnOrthOdOx* We doing good? haven't paid much attention
[21:28] *nye* well, i am well. things between us seem to be heading towards war though
[21:28] *nye* gf has sent several demands
[21:28] *UnOrthOdOx* Oh, the other game. Well, Ill get to that.
[21:29] *nye* oh, we isdg. we do ok.
[21:29] *UnOrthOdOx* PTW game.
[21:29] *nye* much to be seen though
[21:29] *UnOrthOdOx* I want to make this very clear.
[21:29] *UnOrthOdOx* I am not in any position, at all
[21:29] *nye* understood
[21:29] *UnOrthOdOx* I am now a member in name only, for I don't feel it right to quit
[21:30] *nye* so, no responsibilities?
[21:30] *UnOrthOdOx* None.
[21:30] *UnOrthOdOx* I may continue my story, for fun.
[21:30] *UnOrthOdOx* But that will be the extent of it
[21:30] *nye* you do not have time? or you do not agree with something or somethings?
[21:31] *UnOrthOdOx* I am considered a failure by my team.
[21:31] *nye* oh. that sux. why?
[21:32] *UnOrthOdOx* Hence, GF is now your ambassador.
[21:32] *UnOrthOdOx* I only had one job, it should be apparant why, I think.
[21:33] *nye* i see. so gow has written gs off, and our actions are your fault?
[21:33] *UnOrthOdOx* I don't know if they have written you all together off yet. But, our lack of foreknowledge of your actions is my fault
[21:34] *nye* harsh rules
[21:34] *UnOrthOdOx* We are a harsh team.
[21:34] *UnOrthOdOx* Many disagreed with my handling of you guys, frankly.
[21:34] *UnOrthOdOx* I thought it was going fine, apparantly not, though.
[21:34] *nye* i see
[21:35] *UnOrthOdOx* There is a few things I wish to know before I stop caring.
[21:35] *nye* you did nothing wronf, UnO, except for not realise what NDs sttitude would mean to us.
[21:35] *nye* ok, go ahead. if i can answer, i will
[21:36] *UnOrthOdOx* If I had been in that chat, however, I could have placated both sides, see?
[21:36] *UnOrthOdOx* My fault
[21:36] *nye* i doubt it. darekill came through plain and clear
[21:36] *UnOrthOdOx* I already PMd you I know of the gifting.
[21:37] *nye* is there anything other than that?
[21:37] *UnOrthOdOx* Darekill...has a special touch needed. And is not the entire team no more than you or I. He also trusts me some for things dating back to the original SPDG embassy.
[21:37] *nye* well, damn then
[21:37] *UnOrthOdOx* He would have considered my proposition for the demil zone
[21:37] *UnOrthOdOx* Did you gift that to warp troops to your capitol?
[21:37] *nye* UnO, the demil zone would not have got it done for us
[21:38] *nye* we were looking at ND and GoW spitting 6 or 700 tiles
[21:38] *nye* while we have 200
[21:39] *nye* UnO, I cannot comment on Inchon. Those are the wishes of my team.
[21:40] *UnOrthOdOx* And now you are here to claim all of bob it would seem, or at least all of RP. I know of at least one more city to be turned over to you after Madrid.
[21:40] *UnOrthOdOx* Barcelona
[21:40] *nye* possibly.
[21:40] *nye* the situation with rp is ongoing
[21:40] *UnOrthOdOx* Alright, no comment, I will then report what I have found to my team and let them draw conclusions.
[21:41] *nye* what is it you have found?
[21:41] *UnOrthOdOx* They know not of Inchon at present. It slipped from another team in another chat not involving this whole mess.
[21:42] *nye* ahh. ok
[21:43] *UnOrthOdOx* Well, I tried my best.
[21:43] *nye* why does gf know about Inchon, then?
[21:43] *UnOrthOdOx* You could have considered enlisting us against ND after the RP deal...
[21:43] *UnOrthOdOx* He does?
[21:43] *nye* yes, he does
[21:43] *nye* There is no Non Agression Pact, you have already violated it by engaging in hostile activity against us. Your attempts to put words in our mouth is a testament to how well Roleplay is controlling you. No longer do you honor your agreements but attempt to disguise the breaking of them with flowering words.
[21:43] *nye* To take cities right before we attack them, not all at once mind you just cities we prepare to attack, and then demand our troops withdraw is HOSTILE ACTIVITY. Slowing down and detouring our troops is HOSTILE ACTIVITY, Giving Inchon to Roleplay to move vast numbers of troops to invade Bob is HOSTILE ACTIVITY. Landing large numbers of troops on Bob with your fleet is HOSTILE ACTIVITY. You have dishonored the NAP not once, but repeatedly, and left us with NO OTHER COURSE FOR SURVIVAL but to defend ourselves and the worthless paper you refuse to honor.
[21:43] *UnOrthOdOx* I don't know where he learned of it
[21:44] *nye* UnO, we would be more than happy to remain at peace with GoW, and enlist you against current and future enemies
[21:44] *UnOrthOdOx* Perhaps he learned of it through someone else as well.
[21:44] *nye* we have gone out of our way to ignore provokation
[21:44] *nye* hostile demands
[21:45] *nye* stacks of riders parked above one of our cities
[21:45] *nye* our patience wears thin
[21:45] *UnOrthOdOx* You have delayed our GA, threatened our agreement with RP, and blocked our moves by accepting cities that we prepared to attack as well.
[21:45] *nye* and to be honest, some of us would welcome war
[21:45] *UnOrthOdOx* Agreement with ND that is.
[21:45] *nye* we could have taken cities by force too, UnO
[21:46] *nye* other opportunites presented themselves
[21:46] *nye* so we did not have to
[21:47] *UnOrthOdOx* Toledo and the NAP were the sticking points.
[21:47] *UnOrthOdOx* ND currently thinks we are staying out of all this on purpose.
[21:47] *nye* we already had toledo when we received gf's second to last threat
[21:47] *UnOrthOdOx* You are essentially preventing us from fullfilling our contract.
[21:47] *UnOrthOdOx* We didn't know you were taking it, though did
[21:48] *UnOrthOdOx* Did we
[21:48] *nye* that is unfortunate. we assumed you would reroute out of the jungle and head south to the west
[21:49] *nye* i think when he sent it, nd already had the turn. i would have to check that though
[21:49] *UnOrthOdOx* Well, as I say, the lack of communication is solely my fault.
[21:50] *nye* i would not say that. that is too harsh. it would equally be my fault
[21:50] *nye* and moreso darekill's and nd's
[21:50] *UnOrthOdOx* You are not on my team.
[21:50] *nye* we are on the same team, UnO. We are Poyzens
[21:50] *nye* *Polyzens
[21:51] *UnOrthOdOx* Anyway, I just wanted to clear the air.
[21:51] *nye* there is the after this game
[21:51] *UnOrthOdOx* Anyway, I am now a vast minority on my team in this game.
[21:51] *nye* understood
[21:52] *nye* it will be glorious
[21:52] *UnOrthOdOx* It appears that at least for now the die is cast. It also appears I joined the wrong team as well.
[21:52] *nye* wrong team?
[21:53] *nye* finally, you will have battle, and we will have a worthy foe.
[21:53] *UnOrthOdOx* You have no idea what I have been through this game.
[21:53] *nye* unfortunate it had to be gow, but such is life
[21:54] *nye* been through?
[21:54] *nye* i do not have to log this
[21:54] *UnOrthOdOx* After the game, I will let you in.
[21:54] *nye* that would be good, UnO
[21:55] *UnOrthOdOx* Trip will as well, probably.
[21:55] *UnOrthOdOx* I am sure there are pages to be written on the GoW forums.
[21:55] *nye* i suspect the same is true of all of the teams
[21:56] *UnOrthOdOx* NO. Trip has already told me no one comes close to the....excitement...of the GoW.
[21:56] *nye* ahh. i will look forward to the reading then
[21:56] *nye* i agree, gs could bore a librarian
[21:57] *UnOrthOdOx* I would suspect that of Lego too
[21:57] *nye* possibly
[21:58] *nye* but gs has had it's moments. and now we seem to be in another one of them
[21:58] *UnOrthOdOx* Incidentally, we tried the same Voxodus with Lux...would have been far more effective than the Voxodus.
[21:58] *UnOrthOdOx* Allot earlier...
[21:58] *UnOrthOdOx* More competition for Lego.
[21:58] *nye* ahhh. that would have been good, but alas
[21:59] *UnOrthOdOx* Vox 'offered a better deal' than us....LOL
[21:59] *nye* that is funny
[22:00] *UnOrthOdOx* 2 galleys and settlers in exchange for 10 warriors, I believe our agreement was.
[22:00] *UnOrthOdOx* We were hoping for a leader by killing the 10 warriors.
[22:00] *nye* haha. that would have been good
[22:01] *UnOrthOdOx* Ah what could have been.
[22:01] *nye* yes
[22:01] *UnOrthOdOx* Hey, My wife came up with a wonder whoring idea in one of our PBEM's
[22:01] *UnOrthOdOx* If you ever want to use it...
[22:01] *nye* what is it?
[22:01] *UnOrthOdOx* Building the pyramids...
[22:02] *UnOrthOdOx* Have someone gift you a city for one turn, gift it back for a payment
[22:02] *UnOrthOdOx* They get a free pyramid (same continent.
[22:02] *nye* really?
[22:02] *UnOrthOdOx* Free granary, I mean
[22:02] *nye* and you keep it?
[22:03] *UnOrthOdOx* We are testing it now.
[22:03] *UnOrthOdOx* It would seem you just have to pay the upkeep.
[22:03] *nye* i am sure that there will be a rules discussion after the ptw dg is over
[22:03] *UnOrthOdOx* Say, get 2 slaves for each granary...
[22:03] *UnOrthOdOx* Yes...this gifting can be seen as an exploit.
[22:03] *nye* rah rules for civ 2 mp. ? rules for civ 3 mp
[22:04] *nye* we will all know more in a bit
[22:04] *UnOrthOdOx* All MP has rules. I am a RTS vet.
[22:04] *nye* we are learning a bunch from the isdg
[22:04] *UnOrthOdOx* TONS of rules.
[22:04] *UnOrthOdOx* Take Shogun...
[22:04] *nye* k
[22:04] *UnOrthOdOx* Perhaps the best RTS made.
[22:05] *UnOrthOdOx* You can make the CHEAPEST units become the BEST units that never route.
[22:05] *UnOrthOdOx* All games have a weekness and exploit when humans get involved.
[22:06] *nye* cheapest = best?
[22:06] *UnOrthOdOx* Yeah, Ashiguri: They were MEANT to be cheap, but run away easy.
[22:06] *nye* but you can make them not run away?
[22:07] *UnOrthOdOx* However, if you pay to pump their honor to 9, they will never run away, and are still cheaper than Yari Samurai (standard foot)
[22:07] *nye* heh
[22:07] *nye* bug
[22:07] *UnOrthOdOx* Honor 9 does that for anyone.
[22:07] *UnOrthOdOx* Any unit.
[22:07] *nye* hmmm
[22:08] *nye* well. i have to post a bit. can you give me a few minutes?
[22:08] *UnOrthOdOx* It may have been addressed in the patch, but that does not discount other tactics that are pure cheese.
[22:08] *UnOrthOdOx* Im off to bed, just had to get a few things in the air.
[22:08] *nye* ok
[22:09] *UnOrthOdOx* Basically, I wanted nothing to do with what is about to follow (barring some miracle)
[22:09] *nye* understood
[22:09] *UnOrthOdOx* This is the PTWDG then.
[22:09] *nye* yes. it does not spill over
[22:10] *UnOrthOdOx* Lego might just win by doing nothing all game.
[22:10] *UnOrthOdOx* Sad really
[22:10] *nye* that is now possible
[22:10] *UnOrthOdOx* Hey, if you got all of bob, how close would you be to dom?
[22:11] *nye* not there, quite
[22:11] *UnOrthOdOx* Didn't think so
[22:11] *nye* it would be close
[22:11] *nye* we have looked at various conditions, but domination in this sorty of mp is expecting a lot
[22:12] *UnOrthOdOx* Yes, it is.
[22:12] *nye* it will most likely be 2050 score. or space ship
[22:12] *UnOrthOdOx* Culture may still be withing Lego's reach.
[22:12] *nye* space ship assumes that general war will not break out and reign
[22:13] *nye* true, culture
[22:13] *UnOrthOdOx* One city perhaps?
[22:13] *nye* perhaps
[22:13] *UnOrthOdOx* Let's see, Oracle is cheap and a culture mother...
[22:13] *nye* yep
[22:14] *UnOrthOdOx* One city can't be stopped either can it?
[22:14] *UnOrthOdOx* unlike overall culture?
[22:14] *UnOrthOdOx* Or does the game still check for over 1/2 (or whatever)
[22:14] *nye* yeah, kill the city
[22:15] *UnOrthOdOx* Well...perhaps a vote could deter that.
[22:15] *nye* un?
[22:15] *UnOrthOdOx* I know nothing would gall me more than a culture win.
[22:15] *nye* heh
[22:16] *UnOrthOdOx* Alright, Im off to bed.
[22:16] *nye* krux would choke on that
[22:16] No such nick/channel
Session Close: Mon Jul 28 22:39:18 2003

[Aeson]

Sent to UnO, GF, and MZ:

CC: GhengisFarb, Master Zen

Glory of War,

The rantings of an insane man about broken treaties holds no water. The fact remains that GS has not acted against GoW. GoW is now demanding that GS honor not only it's agreements with GoW, but GoW's agreements to ND? This is completely unacceptable. GS cannot be held responsible for the agreements that GoW enters into, or GoW's (in)ability to honor those agreements. GS does not exist to facillitate GoW's military ambitions at the cost of GS' wellbeing, and neither does the NAP.

The NAP is still in effect in GS' estimation.

It becomes clear the NAP is not what GoW wishes, and that it will not keep GoW from further threatening GS cities. Both parties signed an agreement without fully understanding the limitations it would place on them in the very near future. GS has hoped that both teams could find a way to honor the NAP in light of these unforseen events, but realizes the difficulty of the situation GoW now finds itself in. GS wishes to help rectify this situation. To allow GoW to keep their honor intact, and prevent the spectacle of uninformed opinion that public debates become.

GS offers to agree to a mutual cancellation of the NAP if GoW reciprocates. GS asks one condition, a single turn of respite from being attacked by GoW or having GoW units moved further into (or through) GS territory. GoW will receive the same guarantees, that GS will not attack GoW and will respect GoW's borders for the duration of the cease fire.

This is an offer that GoW may retain it's honor, while still having full right to act against GS to fulfill contracts. The single turn cease fire item may be negotiated, or others added, but the offer is off the table if GoW were to attack GS or move further into (or through) GS territory before an agreement is reached.

That is all,

Gathering Storm

[zeit]

From UnO:

Greetings,

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...442#post2286442

Should GS wish to speak in the future, I will be at your disposal. This is out of respect for the members of GS, and will definately chaffe on my schedule until after October, with one week at the beginning of October completely out of the question as I oversee the starting of the Spook Alley.

Beyond that, I shall remain at your disposal, though will not actively persue the beginning of talks. If GS wishes to speak, I will oblige, but I do not have time to actively persue something for the 'fun' of persuing it.

Respectfully,
UnOrthOdOx

[zeit]

A reply:

Dear UnOrthOdOx,

I'm glad you can find the time to return to your ambassadorial duty and that we can once more talk under the guise of consuls.

I have read your letter and your post at the board, and have informed my team of this initiative of yours.
We both surely realize the difficulties in returning to any kind of formal talks between our nation (and I don't count trash-talking as being formal, ). If, however, members of my team will support this kind of movement, perhaps we could find a common ground to base talks on, but unfortunately for now I don't see how such thing is possible.

Yours,

Zeit.

[notyoueither]

Bumped for Theseus. It had not been used for over 30 days, so it does not show up without 'adjustments'.

[Theseus]

Oops, thanks, shoulda thought of that.

[Theseus]

Sent in the evening, 10/21:

MZ,

I have a question for you: Are you guys really Mercs?

MERCS??!!

If you are, name a price... A price for ceasing attacks on RP, and cooperating with us in dismantling ND. We may or may not be able to meet it... but we'd like to know.

I covenant here and now that we will not disclose this discussion, at this risk of forfeiture (i.e., if we, GS, disclose to the PTWDG world that this discussion has taken place, without your written approval, we will forfeit.).

Be aware, however, that we have discussed this communication with RP.

Further, in the reverse, disclosure of a confidential communication such as this will be taken most negatively.
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Aaahhhhh, screw it, here's the plain language: Don't tell anyone, but we want you to backstab ND...

Possible?

Theseus (bringer of maaaany goodies)

ps: I don't know if this has ever come up in GoW, but you guys might want to check out one Sir John Hawkwood... he would be your patron saint (courtesy of Gordon Dickson and the Dorsai series in science fiction, which is also an ultimate mercenary anthem).

[Theseus]

From MZ, this morning:
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Whoa, I would have never expected something like this. I will take it to the team but regardless of the answer you have my sincere promise this will stay among our teams.

Never heard of Sir John Hawkwook but I'll check him out

Take care!
-MZ

[Theseus]

From Un0, at about 9am EST:

Honorable Theseus,

I have just now seen this in our forum, as my activity is down this month due mostly to RL, and my efforts to run a spook alley.

In answer to your first question, we are indeed Mercs, and yes we can be bought.

I do not know if MZ has contacted you further, but this is indeed being discussed our forum at present. Frankly, we had given up on anyone ever offering us anything, so you caught us a bit off guard.

That said, who would now be our point of contact within Gathering Storm? I know that your team dynamics have changed some since our last real contacts, but don't know the exact structure currently.

I hope to have a full answer shortly, and look forward to opening negotiations with your team once again.

Respectfully,
UnOrthOdOx
G.o.W. C.A.L.F. and Ambassassador to Gathering Storm

[Theseus]

DRAFT Response to Un0:

UnOrthOdOx,

Thank you for your response. You, sir, deserve the credit for our interest in a mercenary relationship, at this late date, with GoW (from a side comment of yours at MZO).

We live in an interesting world... a Chinese proverb, I believe.

GS, and other teams, in our interactions, have commented upon the yellow stain that seems to be spreading across Bob.

Are you not concerned? Are you not worried about what becomes of GoW if ND takes control of the majority of Bob?

We have become aware that there is a confluence of interest between GoW and Legoland. Add to that the relationships between Legoland and Vox and between GS and RP... it seems to a number of people that the odd relationship in this tangled weave is that between GoW and ND.

We, GS, would like to take the fore in advancing world relations to the next sensible stage.

We, GS, would like to hire GoW as part of a world movement to eradicate ND. We understand that they have been honorable partners to you, but geopolitical considerations prevail.

Furher, and however, we understand that we, GS, do not have the means to contract GoW to such a length... we will covenant all that we reasonably can, but we know that we also must engage Legoland, Vox, and RP in this endeavor. Given your agreement, we shall do so.

Assuming that we can deliver on such a multi-party arrangement... what do you desire?

On the parts of Legoland, Vox, and RP, it has been suggested that we try to conclude the game with a "build-off". GS is amenable to such, but we are open to other denouements as well.
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Ahhh, I gotta be me... when I do these diplo messages, I think I'll end every one with my version of straight talk: We want to gangbang ND with EVERYONE; we can split up Bob in a sensible way after. What do we, GS, bring to the table? 1) The southern stand-off is a waste of time for all involved, 2) we are ready to lay a world of hurt on SOMEONE, and 3) we are OK with a build-off once things are a little more stable.

[Theseus]

What I actually sent, after some editing and additions:

UnOrthOdOx,

Thank you for your response. You, sir, deserve the credit for our interest in a mercenary relationship, at this late date, with GoW (from a side comment of yours at MZO).

We live in an interesting world... a Chinese proverb, I believe.

GS, and other teams, in our interactions, have commented upon the yellow stain that seems to be spreading across Bob.

Are you not concerned? Are you not worried about what becomes of GoW if ND takes control of the majority of Bob?

We have become aware that there is a confluence of interest between GoW and Legoland. Add to that the relationships between Legoland and Vox and between GS and RP... it seems to a number of people that the odd relationship in this tangled weave is that between GoW and ND.

We, GS, would like to take the fore in advancing world relations to the next sensible stage.

We, GS, would like to hire GoW as part of a world movement to eradicate ND. We understand that they have been honorable partners to you, but geopolitical considerations prevail.

Furher, and however, we understand that we, GS, do not have the means to contract GoW to such a length... we will covenant all that we reasonably can, but we know that we also must engage Legoland, Vox, and RP in this endeavor. Given your agreement, we shall do so.

Assuming that we can deliver on such a multi-party arrangement... what do you desire?

On the parts of Legoland, Vox, and RP, it has been suggested that we try to conclude the game with a "build-off". GS is amenable to such, but we are open to other denouements as well.

Our understanding of Legoland politics are that decisions are... hard fought. We would be happy to participate in any kind of dialogue that might facilitate our relations.
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Ahhh, I gotta be me... when I do these diplo messages, I think I'll end every one with my version of straight talk: We want to gangbang ND with EVERYONE; we can split up Bob in a sensible way after. What do we, GS, bring to the table? 1) The southern stand-off is a waste of time for all involved, 2) we are ready to lay a world of hurt on SOMEONE, and 3) we are OK with a build-off once things are a little more stable.

Thoughts?

Theseus

ps: For the moment, I'll be the liaison... warning though, RL and work stuff makes me, uh, non-calendar-predictable.

pps: Screenshots of Halloween Alley? Somewhere? And yes, it's true, Theseus, nee Richard Podos, was born in Salt Lake City!

[Theseus]

From Un0:

I have written a proposal on a course of action in the GoW forum, and am awaiting support on the idea.

My scheduling is going to be as difficult as your own.

WHat would be your schedule for a possible chat this weekend? I will be spotty available most evenings, and could probably hold a chat any evening.

I think a chat would be the best format for discussing the many layers to this situation.

PS

My spook alley is in the Dinosaur Park in Ogden. Don't know how long you lived here, but it is about the PERFECT place for a spook alley focusing on ages 3-12.