DIPLO: Glory of War contact LOG

[notyoueither]

The crucial chat:

Session Start: Fri Jul 11 20:34:25 2003
Session Ident: #GoW_CoFA
[20:34] * Now talking in #GoW_CoFA
[20:34] *notyoueither* allo
[20:34] *nbarclay* Hi NYE.
[20:34] *MasterZen* one team which I shall not name
[20:35] *MasterZen* hey
[20:35] * MasterZen sets mode: +o notyoueither
[20:35] *MasterZen* who else from GS is coming?
[20:35] *notyoueither* Theseus said he may be by, and zeit if it is not too early for him.
[20:36] *MasterZen* ok
[20:37] *notyoueither* a moment of assistance?
[20:37] *MasterZen* yes?
[20:37] *notyoueither* how do you...
[20:37] *notyoueither* a) set a password for a channel?
[20:37] *notyoueither* b) hide a channel?
[20:38] *MasterZen* are you using mIRC?
[20:38] *notyoueither* yes
[20:38] *MasterZen* double-click on the screen
[20:38] *MasterZen* where it says Key is the password
[20:38] *MasterZen* then private and secret so no-one sees it listed
[20:38] *notyoueither* cool. thanks. have never done it
[20:38] * MasterZen changes topic to 'The Glory of Storms'
[20:40] *MasterZen* so, chat starts officially in 20 min right? (to see if I can do some stuff before...)
[20:40] *notyoueither* yes
[20:41] *MasterZen* ok
[20:41] *nbarclay* I'll be playing AU 402 but dropping by occasionally to see if anything's going on here.
[20:41] *MasterZen* ok
[20:41] *notyoueither* see the thread, nathan.
[20:46] * UnO|away is now known as [GoW]UnO
[20:47] *notyoueither* greetings
[20:47] *nbarclay* Hi.
[20:47] *[GoW]UnO* hey.
[20:47] *[GoW]UnO* I missed anything?
[20:47] *notyoueither* no
[20:47] * MasterZen is now known as [GoW]MasterZen
[20:47] *[GoW]MasterZen* nope
[20:47] *[GoW]UnO* Password...
[20:48] *notyoueither* waiting to see if zeit survived his adventures with sushi
[20:48] *[GoW]UnO* oh, someone answerd.
[20:48] *[GoW]UnO* catching up
[20:48] *[GoW]UnO* sushi, eh?
[20:48] *[GoW]UnO* There is not a sushi bar here I would trust
[20:48] *[GoW]UnO* I want to try it.
[20:49] *notyoueither* i posted the pw as Drategy in our forum already. i hope we can keep that one
[20:49] *[GoW]MasterZen* there's no pword set right now
[20:49] *notyoueither* zeit was making it himself *oh-oh smilie*
[20:49] * [GoW]UnO sets mode: +t
[20:49] * [GoW]UnO sets mode: +k Dtrategy
[20:49] *[GoW]MasterZen* homemade sushi... lol
[20:49] *[GoW]UnO* homemade...
[20:50] * [GoW]UnO shudders
[20:50] *notyoueither* yeah. one would not want to get it wrong
[20:50] *[GoW]UnO* mmmm mongolian bbq....
[20:51] *[GoW]MasterZen* I wouldn't trust myself making sushi
[20:51] *notyoueither* i don't trust myself to boil water
[20:51] *[GoW]UnO* I love to cook.
[20:52] *[GoW]UnO* never from a recipe either...
[20:52] *notyoueither* well. i can, if forced to. had to live on the cheap at uni.
[20:52] *[GoW]MasterZen* I like to cook too... but only to impress girls
[20:53] *[GoW]MasterZen* girls dig guys who cook
[20:53] *[GoW]UnO* that's how it started, yep.
[20:53] *notyoueither* i don't suppose ordering pizza counts
[20:53] *[GoW]UnO* My wife can't boib water, though.
[20:54] *[GoW]UnO* boil
[20:54] *[GoW]MasterZen* if it's 2nd day pizza or even 3rd.. you can forget about the 2nd date... :P
[20:54] *notyoueither* heh
[20:54] *notyoueither* brb
[20:55] *notyoueither* back
[20:56] *[GoW]UnO* Hm where's Panzer?
[20:56] *[GoW]MasterZen* i dunno
[20:57] *[GoW]UnO* he said held make it.
[20:57] *[GoW]MasterZen* he still has 3 minutes
[20:57] *[GoW]MasterZen* if not I'm calling a coup d'etat on him :P
[20:58] *[GoW]UnO* ok.
[20:58] *[GoW]UnO* just don't go making it public...
[20:58] *notyoueither* hehe
[20:58] *[GoW]UnO*
[20:58] * Panzer32 has joined #gow_cofa
[20:59] *Panzer32* hi guys
[20:59] *[GoW]UnO* speak of the devil.
[20:59] *[GoW]UnO* MZ was about to overthrow you.
[20:59] *Panzer32*
[20:59] *notyoueither* hello
[21:00] *nbarclay* Hi Panzer.
[21:00] *[GoW]MasterZen* yes, you were one minute away from a coup d'etat
[21:01] *[GoW]UnO* so, is zeit going to make it?
[21:01] *Panzer32* phew
[21:01] * [GoW]MasterZen sets mode: +o Panzer32
[21:01] *notyoueither* not for sure, although i think he wanted to.
[21:01] *notyoueither* do you want to wait a bit for him?
[21:01] *[GoW]UnO* We can.
[21:01] * GhengisFarb has joined #gow_cofa
[21:01] * [GoW]MasterZen sets mode: +o GhengisFarb
[21:01] *[GoW]UnO* My kids are now sleeping.
[21:01] * Panzer32 sets mode: +o GhengisFarb
[21:01] *notyoueither* perhaps that would be best. give him 5 minutes
[21:02] *[GoW]UnO* wife is working.
[21:02] *Panzer32* Uno - naturally or induced by you ?
[21:02] * Panzer32 leavs computer for 5 minutes
[21:02] *[GoW]UnO* their both sick, went willingly
[21:03] *[GoW]UnO* GF, why do I have 2 PBEMS?
[21:03] *[GoW]UnO* just checking my mail...
[21:04] *[GoW]UnO* are they both the same?
[21:04] *notyoueither* hi gf. i wasn't paying attention and missed the entrance
[21:05] *[GoW]UnO* GF is mute, didn't you know?
[21:05] *notyoueither* must be an imposter. the one i know is not
[21:05] *notyoueither*
[21:05] *[GoW]UnO* Thats part of the maddness that has overcome him.
[21:06] *GhengisFarb* I sent one a week ago, but you never played it so I sent another one
[21:06] *notyoueither* ahhh, perhaps you can introduce shiber to him. you could hope for contagion.
[21:06] *notyoueither* in the story, anyways
[21:07] *[GoW]UnO* a week?
[21:07] * GhengisFarb is now known as CrazyGhengis
[21:07] *[GoW]UnO* one was the 8th...don't know how I missed it.
[21:07] *[GoW]UnO* Shiber's a good sport there.
[21:07] *Panzer32* back
[21:08] *notyoueither* yes. he is
[21:08] *[GoW]UnO* course, I didn't ask him to be completely insulted like I did MrWIA...
[21:08] *CrazyGhengis* ??
[21:08] *[GoW]UnO* that still cracks me up.
[21:08] *Panzer32* so will we wait longer for Zeit?
[21:08] *notyoueither* what did you do to dubya?
[21:08] *notyoueither* no. we can begin. thatnk you for waiting this long
[21:09] *[GoW]UnO* in the Jungle Gazette.
[21:09] *[GoW]UnO* He agreed to the sheep thing.
[21:09] *notyoueither* oh. that/ that was funny
[21:09] * Panzer32 is now known as [GoW]Panzer32
[21:09] *notyoueither* he is very good natured
[21:09] *[GoW]MasterZen* what team is CrazyGhengis on?
[21:09] *[GoW]UnO* his own.
[21:09] *[GoW]UnO* :P
[21:10] *[GoW]MasterZen* he should be like the "crazy eye"... Trip's evil alter ego
[21:10] *[GoW]UnO* the one who sees nothing?
[21:10] *[GoW]MasterZen* hahaha
[21:10] *[GoW]MasterZen* ok, shall we start?
[21:10] *[GoW]Panzer32* ok... lets get down to business; Unortho?
[21:10] *notyoueither* please proceed
[21:10] *[GoW]UnO* Im ready.
[21:10] *[GoW]UnO* let me get the notes
[21:11] *notyoueither* could you give me a moment?
[21:11] *[GoW]MasterZen* sure
[21:11] *[GoW]MasterZen* me too
[21:11] *notyoueither* thanks. brb
[21:13] *notyoueither* back
[21:13] *[GoW]UnO* do do do de do do do
[21:13] *[GoW]UnO* hi.
[21:13] *[GoW]UnO* ready?
[21:13] *notyoueither* yes
[21:13] *[GoW]MasterZen* back
[21:13] *[GoW]UnO* Ok.
[21:13] *[GoW]UnO* WOuld it be safe to say GS policy is influenced by their experience with Vox?
[21:14] *nbarclay* In what way?
[21:14] *[GoW]UnO* in general
[21:14] *notyoueither* yes. and with everyone else as well
[21:14] *[GoW]UnO* This is not meant as an insult to your team, but our policy is influenced by our interaction with other teams as well.
[21:15] *notyoueither* no offence taken
[21:15] *[GoW]UnO* We would like an agreement here and now that anything said in this chat will be kept utterly secret.
[21:15] *[GoW]UnO* No telling other teams, hinting, or anything.
[21:15] *[GoW]MasterZen* emphasis on "utterly"
[21:15] *notyoueither* granted. the same is returned by GoW?
[21:15] *[GoW]UnO* we have had troubles.
[21:15] *[GoW]MasterZen* yes
[21:15] *[GoW]UnO* absolutely.
[21:15] *[GoW]Panzer32* Gladly returned by GoW
[21:15] *notyoueither* secret from our team as well?
[21:15] *[GoW]UnO* No.
[21:15] *notyoueither* ok. thanks
[21:16] *notyoueither* please continue
[21:16] *[GoW]UnO* Make sure your TEAM understands not to leak it either.
[21:16] *notyoueither* agreed
[21:16] *[GoW]UnO* we are agreed then.
[21:16] *[GoW]UnO* Ok, we have outstanding things from the last chat.
[21:16] *[GoW]UnO* but lets set them aside for one minute.
[21:17] *notyoueither* ok
[21:17] *[GoW]UnO* We would like to talk of the status of bob.
[21:17] *[GoW]UnO* Have you heard anything new?
[21:17] *notyoueither* nothing concrete. just impressions.
[21:17] *[GoW]UnO* can you share them?
[21:18] *notyoueither* well, it seems things are moving towards action. based on behaviour. that is all
[21:18] *[GoW]UnO* Let us say, we have been assured that there will be action within ten turns.
[21:19] *notyoueither* hmmm. we are not surprised
[21:19] *[GoW]UnO* GoW has taken what steps it can to ensure we are not the recipients of this action.
[21:19] *notyoueither* can you be more specific?
[21:19] *[GoW]Panzer32* be patient
[21:19] *notyoueither* ok
[21:19] *[GoW]Panzer32*
[21:20] *[GoW]UnO* now, it is our feeling you are the best choice of allies for the future.
[21:20] *[GoW]UnO* We would like to bring you in on this.
[21:20] *[GoW]UnO* However.
[21:21] *[GoW]UnO* Before we can say details, we would REALLY like an NAP
[21:21] *[GoW]UnO* just as insurance.
[21:21] *notyoueither* understood. you mnean before the conversation proceeds?
[21:22] *[GoW]UnO* Before specifics are given, yes.
[21:22] *[GoW]MasterZen* let's just say that the conversation will get much juicier
[21:22] *notyoueither* one moment, please
[21:22] *[GoW]MasterZen* we had been told by Shiber and Zeit in our last chat that the NAP was going to be discussed by your guys
[21:22] *notyoueither* we have been discussing. the discussion has been positive
[21:23] *notyoueither* i am confering with nathan.
[21:23] *[GoW]MasterZen* np
[21:24] *notyoueither* do you have a length of nap in mind?
[21:24] * CrazyGhengis slobers uncontrollably
[21:24] *[GoW]MasterZen* hahaha
[21:24] *[GoW]UnO* 30 turns preferable, but negotiable.
[21:24] *[GoW]MasterZen* would 30 turns be alright with you?
[21:25] *notyoueither* one moment
[21:25] *[GoW]Panzer32*
[21:25] *[GoW]UnO* Glory of Negotiation...
[21:25] *[GoW]MasterZen* Glory of Diplomacy
[21:25] *[GoW]UnO* I've been damn busy today...
[21:25] *[GoW]MasterZen* Glory of Chats
[21:26] *notyoueither* 30 turns
[21:26] *[GoW]MasterZen* is that agreed then?
[21:26] *notyoueither* to be kept secret. absolutely secret
[21:26] *[GoW]UnO* You agree?
[21:26] *[GoW]MasterZen* totally secret
[21:26] *[GoW]UnO* Of course
[21:26] *nbarclay* Yes.
[21:26] *notyoueither* done
[21:26] *[GoW]MasterZen* I won't tell my mother
[21:26] *[GoW]UnO* I wont tell my wife.
[21:26] *[GoW]Panzer32* :frienshipdance:
[21:26] *[GoW]MasterZen* Panzer, don't you tell your kid sister!
[21:27] *[GoW]Panzer32* of course not
[21:27] *[GoW]UnO* Very well.
[21:27] *notyoueither* Gathering Storm agree to a 30 turn NAP with Glory of War, to be kept absolutely secret by both teams
[21:27] *[GoW]UnO* We can proceed then.
[21:27] *[GoW]Panzer32* so this is 30 turns starting at 70 BC?
[21:27] *notyoueither* one moment
[21:27] *notyoueither* 70bc sounds good
[21:27] *[GoW]UnO* Or 50?
[21:27] *[GoW]UnO* 70 it is.
[21:27] *notyoueither* 50 if you prefer
[21:28] *[GoW]MasterZen* 70 is current turn?
[21:28] *[GoW]UnO* yes.
[21:28] *notyoueither* we have done, but yes for some
[21:28] *[GoW]MasterZen* has GS played its turn?
[21:28] *[GoW]UnO* 50 then.
[21:28] *notyoueither* i believe so
[21:28] *[GoW]MasterZen* ok, then 50
[21:28] *notyoueither* ok
[21:28] *nbarclay* It looks like GS is the only one that's played 70 BC so far.
[21:29] * [GoW]UnO can stop sweating now...
[21:29] *[GoW]MasterZen* allright, now for the REALLY fun part...
[21:29] *notyoueither* ok
[21:29] *[GoW]MasterZen* any guesses at who's the target?
[21:29] *notyoueither* us?
[21:29] *[GoW]UnO* sure, guess.
[21:29] *[GoW]MasterZen* damn
[21:30] *[GoW]MasterZen* odds of GS are like 200:1
[21:30] *notyoueither* we are not urprised
[21:30] *[GoW]UnO* odds of TAKING gs anyway.
[21:30] *[GoW]UnO* The Mouth in the South is goign down.
[21:30] *notyoueither* when do they go?
[21:30] *[GoW]UnO* This was all finalized very recently
[21:30] *[GoW]UnO* based on a number of things.
[21:31] *nbarclay* You and ND allied against RP?
[21:31] *[GoW]UnO* yes.
[21:31] *notyoueither* what?
[21:31] *notyoueither* oh, that was nathan
[21:31] *[GoW]UnO* You are surprised then?
[21:32] * [GoW]MasterZen has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[21:32] *notyoueither* a bit
[21:32] *[GoW]UnO* interesting.
[21:32] *notyoueither* looking at the map, but not when considering the people
[21:32] *[GoW]UnO* We got the impression you were leaning support in that direction.
[21:32] *[GoW]UnO* yes, the map is a concern.
[21:32] *nbarclay* We'd thought of the possibility but were skeptical about whether ND would want Riders in their territory and about how RP's territory could feasibly be divided.
[21:32] *[GoW]UnO* and part of our desire to include you.
[21:33] *notyoueither* are you asking for our help?
[21:33] * CrazyGhengis thinks Roleplay hogs too many luxuries and land for just one team
[21:33] * [GoW]UnO don't like their diplomacy
[21:33] * CrazyGhengis wants to kill the crazy HippieNazis
[21:34] *notyoueither* haha
[21:34] *[GoW]UnO* We are inviting you to Bob.
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[21:34] *[GoW]UnO*
[21:34] *MasterZen* sorry about that
[21:34] *[GoW]UnO* there are several options.
[21:34] * [GoW]Panzer32 sets mode: +o MasterZen
[21:34] *notyoueither* we are paying attention
[21:34] *[GoW]UnO* Our deal with ND states that Lego is the next target
[21:34] *[GoW]UnO* We feel they would not object to assistance as long as you agree to leave after.
[21:35] * CrazyGhengis thinks EVERYONE should gang up on Lego
[21:35] *notyoueither* leave?
[21:35] *[GoW]UnO* Leave bob
[21:35] *[GoW]UnO* not retain cities.
[21:35] *nbarclay* You're saying you want us to spend resources in a war we won't be allowed to claim any land from?
[21:35] *[GoW]UnO* Otherwise, they may protest.
[21:35] *notyoueither* that would be difficult.
[21:35] *MasterZen* but you can perhaps farm for some leaders
[21:35] *[GoW]UnO* I know.
[21:35] *notyoueither* we are not mercenaries
[21:36] *notyoueither* war is costly
[21:36] *[GoW]Panzer32* ah, but we are
[21:36] *[GoW]UnO* we gain a third team to head to Lego.
[21:36] *nbarclay* If we were interested in fighting just for leader farming, we wouldn't have made peace with Vox when we did.
[21:36] * CrazyGhengis thinks GS could attack Roleplay as an excuse to move troops closer for an assault on southern Legoland
[21:37] *[GoW]UnO* Another option is sailing some galleys in that direction.
[21:37] *[GoW]UnO* just galleys.
[21:37] *MasterZen* look we don't want to push into doing something you don't want. It was just an idea.
[21:37] *notyoueither* ok. we will consider it
[21:38] *nbarclay* Also, if RP has too much land and too many luxuries for one team now, who has too much/many if you and ND carve them up and claim all of that for yourselves?
[21:38] *[GoW]UnO* We thought you may want to join in a dogpile.
[21:38] * CrazyGhengis thinks GS could make some deal to sell any cities they acquire on Bob, some sort of "bounty"
[21:38] *[GoW]Panzer32* CrazyGhengis thinks too much
[21:38] *notyoueither* Pop is power
[21:38] *notyoueither* it is that simple
[21:38] *[GoW]UnO* We know.
[21:39] *[GoW]UnO* We are not entirely opposed to the idea, just not sure of ND's position at the moment.
[21:39] *[GoW]UnO* have NOT discussed you entering.
[21:39] *notyoueither* ok. of course what we discuss here is not final
[21:39] *CrazyGhengis* But any cities you build on Bob would have high corruption whereas you build the Forbidden Palace on Legoland and form a second provence
[21:39] *MasterZen* actually just wanted to get your thoughts on it
[21:39] *[GoW]UnO* The reason we would like GS units on Bob, is what would happen if ND backstabbed us after RP?

[notyoueither]

cont:

[21:40] *notyoueither* very good q
[21:40] *[GoW]UnO* Bringing you in offers assurance, keep a balance of power.
[21:40] *MasterZen* even if it's only symbolic
[21:41] *[GoW]UnO* In agreeing to leave, I am sure something can be worked that you get the largest chunk of Lego, or something so it is all equal in the end.
[21:41] *[GoW]UnO* Perhaps ND will allow some territory as well.
[21:41] *[GoW]UnO* Or at least lux outpost cities....
[21:41] *notyoueither* perhaps. we should look into that
[21:41] *[GoW]UnO* This is all up in the air.
[21:41] *notyoueither* understood
[21:41] *nbarclay* One possibility might be for us to stay on Bob until we get set up on Lego (just brainstorming for the moment).
[21:42] *[GoW]UnO* Sure.
[21:42] *[GoW]Panzer32* mabye a ND-GOW-GS chat is in order sometime in the future?
[21:42] *[GoW]UnO* Definately!
[21:42] *[GoW]UnO* AND NOT 12 NOON DAMN IT
[21:42] *[GoW]UnO* ND times suck
[21:42] *MasterZen* I like them... that's when I wake up :P
[21:42] *[GoW]UnO* You are sick
[21:43] *[GoW]UnO* lets go 4 am :P
[21:43] *MasterZen* YOU are sick :P
[21:43] *notyoueither* heh
[21:43] *[GoW]Panzer32* lets talk about chat times later, please
[21:43] *[GoW]UnO* Now.
[21:43] *[GoW]UnO* We are actively negotiating with RP right now.
[21:43] *[GoW]UnO* At the moment they do not suspect.
[21:44] *[GoW]UnO* WE WILL NOT BE BREAKING ANYTHING WE HAVE SIGNED
[21:44] *[GoW]UnO* but, I am sure you will hear that we did.
[21:44] *notyoueither* ahhhh
[21:44] *notyoueither* the thread
[21:44] *MasterZen* and all contracts with other civs will be respected
[21:44] *notyoueither* cover for stall
[21:44] *[GoW]UnO* thread?
[21:44] *notyoueither* Moo
[21:44] *MasterZen* haha
[21:44] *[GoW]UnO* oh mine.
[21:45] *[GoW]UnO* no, I am taking over RP negotiations.
[21:45] *notyoueither* oh. ok. well it would be a good stall
[21:45] *notyoueither* just a q
[21:45] *[GoW]UnO* MZ did of course step down and allow me to.
[21:46] *notyoueither* is the war with rp intended to be final?
[21:46] *MasterZen* I had him start a "Master Zen rulez" thread in our forum
[21:46] *[GoW]UnO* Yes.
[21:46] *notyoueither* thought so. just checking
[21:46] *notyoueither* do you know how lego will react?
[21:46] *[GoW]UnO* We are not of the opinion that a trimmed team offers anything to the game other than annoyances for diplo crap
[21:47] *[GoW]UnO* Lego is in bed with RP
[21:47] *notyoueither* won't that complicate things for you?
[21:47] *[GoW]UnO* RP wants us to ally against you, btw
[21:47] *[GoW]UnO* not lego
[21:47] *[GoW]UnO* still
[21:47] *notyoueither* the map dictates that
[21:47] *MasterZen* they will most likely offer financial assistance
[21:47] *[GoW]UnO* I doubt they will send units
[21:47] *MasterZen* and perhaps sell them Chivarly
[21:48] *[GoW]UnO* Not for...8 turns?
[21:48] *notyoueither* they have it?
[21:48] *[GoW]UnO* without violating a contract
[21:48] *[GoW]UnO* With you on board, we know who would have violated.
[21:48] *notyoueither* we would never violate an agreement
[21:49] *notyoueither* have the team would quit
[21:49] *[GoW]UnO* MZ? did that go final?
[21:49] *notyoueither* *half
[21:49] *[GoW]Panzer32* Uno, 15 turn NTA it was (not sure the year; one or two turns after trade to GS)
[21:49] *MasterZen* it had been previously negotiated. Much like our own feud-chiv agreement
[21:49] *notyoueither* ok
[21:50] *notyoueither* so, i take it the upgrades are nearing completion?
[21:51] *MasterZen* more or less yes
[21:51] *notyoueither* do you have a 0 hour in mind
[21:52] *[GoW]UnO* 10 BC we attack.
[21:52] *[GoW]UnO* You, when you can, if you decide.
[21:52] *MasterZen* if you want
[21:52] *notyoueither* it would take us slighly longer, if we decide
[21:52] *[GoW]UnO* would be a weakened civ away from the front...
[21:52] *notyoueither* i think
[21:52] *MasterZen* you could even just send some galleys to scare them and lure some troops to the south
[21:52] *[GoW]UnO* Galleys would be great.
[21:52] *[GoW]UnO* if nothing else.
[21:53] *notyoueither* we will consider these things
[21:53] *notyoueither* q.
[21:53] *[GoW]UnO* Yes?
[21:53] *notyoueither* do you have nap with lego?
[21:53] *[GoW]UnO* no.
[21:53] *notyoueither* nd?
[21:53] *[GoW]UnO* ND does.
[21:53] *[GoW]UnO* bullied them into it.
[21:53] *MasterZen* gotta love those krauts
[21:54] *notyoueither* lego bullied? nd bullied?
[21:54] *[GoW]UnO* ND bullied
[21:54] *notyoueither* really?
[21:54] *nbarclay* I have to wonder exactly what a NAP a team gets bullied into is likely to be worth.
[21:54] *MasterZen* everything that's in writing is worth its word to us at least
[21:54] *[GoW]UnO* got tired of Lego poping all the barb huts so landed a few horses to kill barbs...lego freaked. tried to hire us.
[21:55] *notyoueither* haha
[21:55] *[GoW]UnO* Never did finalize that proposal...
[21:55] *[GoW]UnO* else we would not be talking here.
[21:55] *notyoueither* which one?
[21:55] *[GoW]UnO* Lego.
[21:55] *MasterZen* them hiring us
[21:55] *notyoueither* ahh
[21:55] * Trip` has joined #gow_cofa
[21:55] *[GoW]UnO* Your late trip.
[21:56] *Trip`* you didn't remind me :P
[21:56] *[GoW]Panzer32* There are no "eyes" in TEAM
[21:56] *[GoW]UnO* Man, I take SPECIAL action to inform you...
[21:56] *Trip`* Panzer: but there is a "me"
[21:56] *[GoW]UnO* monumentous chat I say...
[21:56] *[GoW]UnO* Must come I say...
[21:56] *[GoW]Panzer32* read the #@$% thread!!
[21:56] *Trip`* I'm a busy man
[21:57] * MasterZen slaps Trip` around a bit with a large trout
[21:57] *MasterZen* ah, there, just had to do it :P
[21:57] *[GoW]UnO* make or break day...I tell you...
[21:57] *Trip`* is everyone gone? :P
[21:57] * [GoW]UnO shakes his head.
[21:57] *MasterZen* um, don't you see the people list?
[21:57] *Trip`* you seem to have scared all of the GS members away
[21:58] *Trip`* threaten then with Riders? :P
[21:58] *[GoW]UnO* NYE and nathan are here.
[21:58] *Trip`* "yeah, we landed a couple horses last time, wait til you see what we have this time!" ;P
[21:58] *[GoW]Panzer32* Trip, you threatned them away.
[21:58] *notyoueither* here
[21:58] *[GoW]Panzer32* ok, where were we?
[21:58] *Trip`* NYE: ISDG save
[21:58] *Trip`* chop chop
[21:58] *MasterZen* this not ISDG :P
[21:58] *notyoueither* yes. thanks, trip
[21:59] *Trip`*
[21:59] *MasterZen* ok, back on the subject
[21:59] *MasterZen* just a review for the Tripmeister
[21:59] *MasterZen* 1) 30 turn NAP. Agreed. Secret
[21:59] *[GoW]UnO* absolutely secret.
[21:59] *MasterZen* 2) We attack RP on 10 BC. You are invited to join but of course not required
[22:00] *Trip`* I'm invited?
[22:00] *MasterZen* 3) We look for a ND-GoW-GS chat sometime in the future to start hammering out the details of the Lego plot
[22:00] *nbarclay* Sure, you can take the mighty Luxian armies to abandon any cities that RP leaves undefended.
[22:00] *[GoW]UnO* Yes, you can get some revenge too Trip.
[22:00] *MasterZen* "The Lego Plot" has a nice ring to it..
[22:01] *Trip`* haha
[22:01] *[GoW]UnO* We can send that worker down to...um well...
[22:01] *Trip`* Lego plot!
[22:01] *MasterZen* btw
[22:01] *MasterZen* we're not going to do no BS excuses for this war
[22:02] *[GoW]UnO* NO.
[22:02] *MasterZen* nothing like Betahound...
[22:02] *MasterZen* it's war
[22:02] *MasterZen* we're the Glory of War
[22:02] *notyoueither* good plan
[22:02] *MasterZen* take the hint
[22:02] *[GoW]UnO* This is civ, they have lux, resources, we want, we think we can take.
[22:02] *notyoueither* heh
[22:02] *[GoW]UnO* period, end of story.
[22:02] *MasterZen* although I do expect some nice and fun trash talking and avatar wars
[22:02] *Trip`* the story only ends after the battlefields are cleared
[22:02] *notyoueither* i would imagine
[22:02] *MasterZen* it won't be easy
[22:03] *CrazyGhengis* I want my top ten dammit!
[22:03] *MasterZen* RP will be a hard nut to crack
[22:03] *notyoueither* no, but you will have the time of the game
[22:03] *[GoW]UnO* GF, post it in SPIN
[22:03] *MasterZen* we respect our enemy, and do not underestimate him. At least I don't
[22:03] *MasterZen* but we are confident victory will be on our side
[22:03] *notyoueither* very good plan
[22:04] *Trip`* so what happens now?
[22:04] *MasterZen* we also will keep you guys informed
[22:04] *notyoueither* that would be good
[22:04] *MasterZen* whenever you need to talk to one of us about anything we'll arrange a quick chat
[22:04] *notyoueither* alright
[22:05] *[GoW]UnO* MZ will be your quick reference.
[22:05] *notyoueither* same here. i am available most evenings
[22:05] *[GoW]Panzer32* ok then; friends?
[22:05] *MasterZen* yeah, me an nye are always online at night for the ISDG
[22:05] *notyoueither* yes. friends
[22:05] *MasterZen* communication is the least of our problems
[22:05] *[GoW]UnO* Consider our invitation.
[22:05] *notyoueither* we will
[22:05] *[GoW]UnO* We will set up a chat with ND
[22:05] *MasterZen* at least send some galleys to scare the **** out of them ... :P
[22:05] *notyoueither* good plan. let's coordinate that time, uno.
[22:06] *MasterZen* we totally respect your decision to not involve yourself if you don't feel like it
[22:06] *[GoW]UnO* Yes.
[22:06] *[GoW]UnO* Panzer, you are the ND contact?
[22:06] *notyoueither* ok. is there anything else?
[22:06] *MasterZen* I guess not
[22:06] *[GoW]Panzer32* huh? I guess so
[22:06] *notyoueither* this moved farily quick
[22:07] *[GoW]UnO* Ok...can we shoot for Sunday?
[22:07] *[GoW]UnO* Monday?
[22:07] *notyoueither* that would be good
[22:07] *notyoueither* sunday
[22:07] *[GoW]UnO* ****,
[22:07] *notyoueither* oops
[22:07] *[GoW]UnO* I got a chat at noon already Sunday.
[22:07] *[GoW]UnO* noon to 2
[22:07] *[GoW]UnO* SPDG
[22:07] *notyoueither* ok
[22:07] *[GoW]UnO* I HAVE TOO MANY JOBS!!!
[22:07] *MasterZen* tell me about it
[22:07] *notyoueither* besy guy
[22:08] *notyoueither* ummm
[22:08] *[GoW]UnO* I won't make the 3 team.
[22:08] *MasterZen* I only gave you the RP job because there won't be much to talk to them in a few days... MUAHAHAHAAHAHA
[22:08] *[GoW]UnO* anyway then.
[22:08] *[GoW]Panzer32* is this a GoW-GS chat? (is ND involved?)
[22:08] *notyoueither* early aft in na is late evng in europe
[22:08] *[GoW]UnO* yes.
[22:08] *[GoW]UnO* they like noon,right?
[22:08] *notyoueither* noon our time?
[22:08] *[GoW]UnO* yes.
[22:09] *[GoW]UnO* you guys could do it Sunday, Ill lurk while doing the turnchat...
[22:09] *[GoW]Panzer32* noon is probably fine for me
[22:09] *notyoueither* noon edt?
[22:09] *[GoW]UnO* MDT
[22:09] *notyoueither* oh, good
[22:09] *[GoW]UnO* Is what they typically ask for
[22:09] *[GoW]Panzer32* I guess I'm the military strategy guy with Aggie gone for a bit
[22:09] *[GoW]UnO* technically Im supposed to be.
[22:09] *[GoW]Panzer32* sorry, yes, 2:00 PM EDT
[22:09] *[GoW]UnO* Vice CALF...
[22:09] *MasterZen* I'll chip in, I joined this team for the warmongering
[22:10] *[GoW]UnO* Yes, let's just chat it out.
[22:10] *notyoueither* i think we may ask for 4pm edt. not sure yet. have to quickly discuss
[22:10] *nbarclay* Does CALF stand for something, or is it just a play on CoW?
[22:10] *[GoW]UnO* er unless the CoW wants to get off his ASS!!!!
[22:10] *[GoW]Panzer32* I'm the one who knows where all the units are... MZ always is asking "where are the units, how far are they from __?
[22:10] * [GoW]UnO kicks Ghengis
[22:10] *MasterZen* :P
[22:10] *[GoW]UnO* Consuls assistant to leading the fighting
[22:10] *[GoW]Panzer32* Consul's Assistant to Leading the Fighting
[22:10] *MasterZen* hahaha
[22:11] *[GoW]Panzer32* x post
[22:11] *nbarclay* Cleaver.
[22:11] *[GoW]UnO* basically just a play, yes.
[22:11] *[GoW]UnO* Moo
[22:11] *[GoW]Panzer32* CrazyGhengis can be thanked for that one IIRC
[22:11] *MasterZen* yeah, we have a fetish for barn animals
[22:12] *[GoW]UnO* FYI.
[22:12] *notyoueither* we are fond of chickens... foir some reason
[22:12] *[GoW]UnO* Trappings spoiler anyone?
[22:12] *nbarclay* So your CoW and our chickens side by side, if all goes well.
[22:12] *[GoW]Panzer32* Maybe we can make the CoIA into a SHEEP or something
[22:12] *notyoueither* trappins spoiler?
[22:12] *[GoW]UnO* if you want.
[22:12] *notyoueither* np
[22:12] *[GoW]Panzer32* sure for me
[22:12] * MasterZen what farm animal the CoFA is...
[22:12] *[GoW]UnO* how the war starts
[22:12] *[GoW]UnO* ...
[22:12] *[GoW]UnO* no?
[22:13] *notyoueither* go
[22:13] *[GoW]Panzer32* go ahead
[22:13] *[GoW]UnO* My son catches MrWIA with a (insert farm animal here)
[22:13] *[GoW]UnO* MrWIA kills my son.
[22:13] *[GoW]UnO* I go nuts and lead the charge south.
[22:13] *notyoueither* ohh
[22:14] *[GoW]UnO* Follow 'my' rider from there.
[22:14] *notyoueither* that could be gripping
[22:14] *[GoW]Panzer32* Uno, are you logging/have logged the chat?
[22:14] *[GoW]UnO* no...I can use the buffer.
[22:15] *[GoW]Panzer32* ok, if the chats over then I think I'll retire for the night
[22:15] *MasterZen* gnight
[22:15] *[GoW]UnO* gnight.
[22:15] *[GoW]Panzer32* ghzuntight
[22:15] *notyoueither* g'night
[22:15] * [GoW]Panzer32 has quit IRC (Quit: )
[22:15] *[GoW]UnO* Alright. are we done then. anything else from GS?
[22:15] *notyoueither* not for now. much food for thought.
[22:16] *MasterZen* a all expenses paid trip to one of your cities?
[22:16] *notyoueither* you are welcome to visit the storm, mz
[22:16] *notyoueither* i will send a boat
[22:16] *[GoW]UnO* Alright...we'll shoot for Sunday with ND
[22:16] *notyoueither* yes. 2 to 4 edt
[22:16] *notyoueither* pm
[22:17] *MasterZen* cool, you and nathan are invited to my little fortress in Zenophobia too
[22:17] *notyoueither* 2 might go for us though
[22:17] *[GoW]UnO* Yes, our island is lovely.
[22:17] *notyoueither* it sounds like it
[22:17] *nbarclay* That sounds workable for me.
[22:17] *[GoW]UnO* Zenophobia is not as nice if you ask me.
[22:18] *[GoW]UnO* may be larger, but they all seem a little on the skinny side
[22:18] *nbarclay* I'd enjoy seeing your island, if I can ever get away from my job managing GS's economy for long enough.
[22:18] *MasterZen* ah, the economist
[22:18] *MasterZen* yeah btw, I starved my own city once :P
[22:18] *notyoueither* he is chained to a ledger in a tower in EotS
[22:19] *MasterZen* that's why I hate Civ3 economics
[22:19] *MasterZen* being an economist in RL is enough numbers for me, thank you :P
[22:19] *[GoW]UnO* You starve your own people!
[22:19] *nbarclay* Fortunately, I don't have to contend with being a RL economist, just a Civ 3 one.
[22:20] *[GoW]UnO* curse you for ruining my plans anyway.
[22:20] *[GoW]UnO* :P
[22:20] *MasterZen* ah, you really don't want to be a RL one, I'm tellin ya
[22:20] *nbarclay* Was the starvation due to one of those situations where you either have one food too much or one too little?
[22:20] *MasterZen* I just wanted to get a temple done quick
[22:20] *[GoW]UnO* yes, starving added a shield as well.
[22:20] *[GoW]UnO* MZ STOLE that city from the though :P
[22:20] *MasterZen* figured the lives of my citizens was more than worth it if they could eventualyl worship me in that temple
[22:21] *[GoW]UnO* I wanted the whole isleand
[22:21] *nbarclay* Impressive ego.
[22:21] *[GoW]UnO* island
[22:21] *MasterZen* heheh
[22:21] *notyoueither* well, gentlemen. i must excuse myself. isdg turn is in the oven.
[22:21] *[GoW]UnO* You should tell Shiber, I have written him based on my dog.
[22:21] *[GoW]UnO* She died 2 weeks ago.
[22:21] *nbarclay* NYE, are you going to post a copy of the chat, or do I need to?
[22:21] *[GoW]UnO* doing it as a tribute.
[22:22] *notyoueither* Nathan, it would save me one chore this evening if you could.
[22:22] *nbarclay* And it would save me one if you could. I can do it if you need me to, though.
[22:22] *notyoueither* no. i will.
[22:22] *nbarclay* Thanks.
[22:23] *notyoueither* bye for now
[22:23] *nbarclay* Bye everyone.
Session Close: Fri Jul 11 22:23:17 2003

[notyoueither]

Sent to UnO.

Greetings, UnO

Could you do me a favour? Send me a copy of the NAP in your own words, ratified by GoW? I will then return it to you as ratified by GS. In the mean time, it is in force of course. This is simply taking care of loose ends.

We look forward to the chat tomorrow with GoW and ND. I am afraid I can't say for sure yet who will be there for GS. I will try, but can not guarantee I will be there on time.

Thanks

nye

[zeit]

Just a little something to UnO:

Dear UnOrthOdOx,

I'm sorry I wasn't able to be there at the last chat- that seemed like quite an important one. I'm glad we decided on a NAP, especially with how things are going to shape up soon...

I'm quite optimistic regarding the future- and can see many opportunities for cooperation between our teams, I hope the same goes for you. The G-2 alliance has a nice ring to it, don't
you think?
That's just and idea now, but this might change.

As for the next chat- I really hope I can make it- a GoW-ND-GS summit certainly sounds exciting, also when bearing in mind the upcoming events.

War is a serious business, though, but I'm sure you are well prepared.


Respectfully,
Zeit.

[notyoueither]

The chat that nearly wasn't

Session Start: Sun Jul 13 12:28:47 2003
Session Ident: #GoW_CoFA
[12:28] * Now talking in #GoW_CoFA
[12:28] *notyoueither* hello
[12:41] *[ND]Darekill* hello.
[12:41] *[ND]Darekill* you are from GS right?
[12:56] * [ND]Darekill has quit IRC (Quit: )
[13:05] *notyoueither* yes
[14:45] * UnOrthOdOx has joined #GoW_cofa
[14:45] *UnOrthOdOx* Hey.
[14:45] *UnOrthOdOx* Sorry, I got stuck with my turnchat as pres
[14:45] *notyoueither* hi
[14:45] *UnOrthOdOx* did it happen?
[14:45] *notyoueither* np. you said you would
[14:45] *notyoueither* no. no chat
[14:45] *UnOrthOdOx* Damn.
[14:45] *notyoueither* i got here at 12.40 or so. just darekill
[14:45] *notyoueither* he did not respond for some time
[14:46] *notyoueither* then i missed him when he did
[14:46] *UnOrthOdOx* Panzer never showed?
[14:47] *notyoueither* not after i got here
[14:47] *UnOrthOdOx* As long as I have you.
[14:47] *notyoueither* he may have been before
[14:47] *UnOrthOdOx* Hows this sound?
[14:48] *UnOrthOdOx* This contract is a declaration of a Non Aggression Pact between Gathering Storm and Glory of War. Neither team will engage in hostile activity against the other team for the duration of the contract.
[14:48] *UnOrthOdOx* The contract becomes effective in (what turn number is this?) 50 BC and will remain in effect for a duration of 30 turns (what year would this be?).
[14:48] *UnOrthOdOx* e contract is considered Top Secret and will be treated as such by both teams and by their members. No memeber of either team is allowed to discuss the existence, or details, of the contract with anyone who is not a member of either Gathering Storm or Glory of War.
[14:48] *UnOrthOdOx* O got turn numbers now, BTW
[14:48] *UnOrthOdOx* I got.
[14:48] *notyoueither* good
[14:48] *UnOrthOdOx* this was the draft I presented.
[14:49] *UnOrthOdOx* Straight forward, unlike some other teams stuff we end up getting...
[14:49] *UnOrthOdOx* Alright.
[14:49] *notyoueither* yes. the spirit is the important bit
[14:49] *UnOrthOdOx* Ill send it signed.
[14:49] *notyoueither* straight language actually has fewer loop holes
[14:49] *notyoueither* it is the legalese that introduces them
[14:49] *UnOrthOdOx* YEs....
[14:50] *UnOrthOdOx* RP just sent me a no kidding 5 page proposal.
[14:50] *UnOrthOdOx* that is basically supposed to be a MPP.
[14:50] *notyoueither* 5 pages?
[14:50] *UnOrthOdOx* for an MPP
[14:50] *UnOrthOdOx* yep.
[14:50] *notyoueither* wow
[14:51] *UnOrthOdOx* That's what I get for actively negotiating with them.
[14:51] *UnOrthOdOx* Just so you guys don't get the wrong ideas, the whole No-con thing...
[14:51] *notyoueither* that is why i invited you guys to write it. if i had it would say 'no attack each other. 30 turns. friends. where tank?'
[14:51] *UnOrthOdOx* RP had let slip that I was the only member on GoW they trust.
[14:52] *UnOrthOdOx* MZ had been delaying the Chiv trade, they ceased trusting him and were making demands.
[14:52] *notyoueither* oh. ok
[14:52] *UnOrthOdOx* They think we hate each other and don't agree.
[14:53] *UnOrthOdOx* I am taking over, but there is no hostilities, we are just presenting them with what they wanted.
[14:53] *UnOrthOdOx* as far as an ambassador.
[14:53] *notyoueither* good. how do you delay the mpp to 10bc?
[14:53] *UnOrthOdOx* We are declaring war in 30 BC, I think.
[14:53] *UnOrthOdOx* But wont 'attack' till 10.
[14:54] *UnOrthOdOx* anyway.
[14:54] *notyoueither* ahh. wow. one turn til the show starts
[14:54] *UnOrthOdOx* They have added boundaries, etc into the MPP.
[14:54] *UnOrthOdOx* easily contended.
[14:54] *notyoueither* yes, very easy
[14:54] *UnOrthOdOx* We want to declare war before entering territory, that is why.
[14:55] *notyoueither* i think 30bc is loose
[14:55] *UnOrthOdOx* Yes, it is 50 soon.
[14:55] *UnOrthOdOx* loose?
[14:55] *notyoueither* nope. that was 50bc that we sent. i am ahead of myself
[14:56] *UnOrthOdOx* Ah, we havent seen 50 yet.
[14:56] *UnOrthOdOx* FYI, to us, MPP and NAP are two different things.
[14:57] *UnOrthOdOx* an MPP is not a NAP and vice versa.
[14:57] *UnOrthOdOx* just in case Vox goes nuts and you want us sinking galleys.
[14:57] *UnOrthOdOx* That would need be arranged seperately.
[14:58] *notyoueither* of course
[14:58] *UnOrthOdOx* Well.
[14:58] *UnOrthOdOx* Just making sure.
[14:58] *notyoueither* it is good to make things clear
[14:59] *notyoueither* it is too bad we missed darekill
[14:59] *UnOrthOdOx* So...zeit mentioned a G-2 alliance?
[14:59] *UnOrthOdOx* possibility.
[14:59] *UnOrthOdOx* That would need some serious consideration from us.
[15:00] *UnOrthOdOx* as it would limit our potential employers.
[15:00] *notyoueither* yes.
[15:00] *UnOrthOdOx* as mercenaries.
[15:00] *UnOrthOdOx* However, there are few who are proven as reliable an employer.
[15:00] *notyoueither* it might be premature.
[15:00] *UnOrthOdOx*
[15:00] *notyoueither* you are about to embark on a war with nd as ally
[15:01] *notyoueither* our place is unclear
[15:01] *UnOrthOdOx* We want you in it as well.
[15:01] *UnOrthOdOx* Have not discounted the idea that it is all a ploy to move our units south.
[15:01] *UnOrthOdOx* Or a ploy to attack us after RP
[15:01] *UnOrthOdOx* we are taking a chance, to be sure.
[15:02] *notyoueither* a very big one
[15:02] *UnOrthOdOx* Either side would have been a big risk.
[15:02] *notyoueither* but they have been honourable to date, yes?
[15:02] *UnOrthOdOx* Yes.
[15:02] *UnOrthOdOx* Cannot say the same of RP.
[15:02] *notyoueither* that's all you can go on
[15:02] *UnOrthOdOx* yep.
[15:03] *notyoueither* how has rp been dishonourable?
[15:03] *UnOrthOdOx* We feel we have played well to date and will not feel too bad if we go out due to a backstab.
[15:04] *notyoueither* with so much invested, it is wise to have a stoic view
[15:04] *UnOrthOdOx* RP...has been aggressive, manipulative, and we know of several deals they have proken.
[15:04] *UnOrthOdOx* So should you.
[15:04] *UnOrthOdOx* You've read the same threads I got that info from.
[15:05] *notyoueither* i may have missed some
[15:05] *UnOrthOdOx* Arnelos has admitted it in the ISDG.
[15:05] *UnOrthOdOx* I could find it again if you need.
[15:05] *notyoueither* that would interest me
[15:05] *UnOrthOdOx* 'lessons from lux'
[15:06] *notyoueither* in the isdg forum?
[15:06] *UnOrthOdOx* 'the ink had just dried on our MPP when lux seemed to go nuts, aggrivating ND'
[15:06] *UnOrthOdOx* Yes.
[15:07] *UnOrthOdOx* He and Togas openly talk of bullying us into things as well.
[15:07] *UnOrthOdOx* This shifted the vote as those of our team who have access and read that considered it a public insult.
[15:07] *notyoueither* ahhh
[15:08] *notyoueither* yes. that would be hard to ignore
[15:08] *UnOrthOdOx* We felt this game should have best been left here. that one there.
[15:08] *UnOrthOdOx* Esp since we couldn't share that with the rest of the team.
[15:09] *notyoueither* well. rp will prove a valuable lesson when bismarkian politics goes wrong
[15:09] *UnOrthOdOx* They are going to be tought to take down.
[15:09] *UnOrthOdOx* Well, I need to go.
[15:10] *notyoueither* ok. thanks for coming late
[15:10] *UnOrthOdOx* Sorry, I forgot about this till after my other responsibilities.
[15:10] *UnOrthOdOx* Can only multi task so far.
[15:10] *notyoueither* i understand the pull
[15:10] *UnOrthOdOx* If I had known all this was going to happen, I wouldn't have ran for pres.
[15:11] *notyoueither* well, you need to look after yourself
[15:11] *UnOrthOdOx* Alright. Im sending the PM now, signed.
[15:11] *notyoueither* good. thanks
[15:12] *UnOrthOdOx* I'll get you a reschedule for ND chat.
[15:12] *notyoueither* i will let you go
[15:12] *UnOrthOdOx* Ok.
[15:12] * UnOrthOdOx has left #GoW_cofa
Session Close: Sun Jul 13 15:12:23 2003

[notyoueither]

Received from UnO.

This contract is a declaration of a Non Aggression Pact between Gathering Storm and Glory of War. Neither team will engage in hostile activity against the other team for the duration of the contract.

The contract becomes effective on turn 126, 50 BC and will remain in effect for a duration of 30 turns, cancelling after turn 156, 400 AD.

The contract is considered Top Secret and will be treated as such by both teams and by their members. No memeber of either team is allowed to discuss the existence, or details, of the contract with anyone who is not a member of either Gathering Storm or Glory of War.

Signed:
Glory of War Team

[notyoueither]

Received from UnO.

Zeit, NYE,

Just trying to tie up all loose ends here. Is there a problem with the copy of the NAP that was sent to you? Is it being polled on? Did I just get forgotten in all that is going on?

Anyway, can I get a signed copy in return please?

Also, we are still trying to arrange the meeting with ND. Have you guys considered what you would want in return for assistance? If nothing else, we want you on this Island at the end of the RP war to ensure a Balance of power is maintained and ND doesn't get any ideas. While we have talked to ND and they agree Lego should be taken out after RP, our NAP with them only goes through the RP war at present time.

Anyway, just let me know, and Ill get you the time for the 3-way chat. Is 1800 GMT possible for at least a representative from your team? This seems to be what ND is wanting.

Respectfully,
UnOrthOdOx

[notyoueither]

Short, impromtu chat with GoW. I was summoned by Panzer32.

Session Start: Tue Jul 15 18:58:18 2003
Session Ident: #gow
[18:58] * Now talking in #gow
[18:58] *notyoueit* hi
[18:58] *Panzer32* Unortho, set a temporary pwd
[18:58] *Panzer32* or op me
[18:58] *notyoueit* just preparing a post
[18:59] *Panzer32* we want to scedule a time for an ND-GoW-GS chat
[19:00] *UnOrthOdOx* Oh hi.
[19:00] * UnOrthOdOx sets mode: +k Raiders
[19:00] *UnOrthOdOx* Sorry, trying to upload my pics like a good pres.
[19:01] *UnOrthOdOx* Yes, I PM'd you, but well, Poly didn't cooperate there.
[19:01] *UnOrthOdOx* Is 1800 possible for you guys?
[19:01] *notyoueit* ok. 1800 gmt is hard for me. but maybe on thursday.
[19:01] *notyoueit* i have just posted your pm, UnO. Could not get on Poly all day
[19:02] *UnOrthOdOx* Yeah I know.
[19:02] *notyoueit* i think some of the Euros could make it for sure
[19:02] *notyoueit* and that is a great time for zeit, i think
[19:02] *UnOrthOdOx* Just a qualified rep would be needed.
[19:02] *UnOrthOdOx* Oh, that will work!
[19:02] *UnOrthOdOx* It's a horrid time for me too, Panzer will be there for us.
[19:02] *notyoueit* yes. i would like to have zeit and opd there, if alva does not turn up.
[19:03] *UnOrthOdOx* And MZ if he can wake himself that early.
[19:03] *Panzer32* MZ should be here soon
[19:03] *notyoueit* heh. yeah he is a night owl
[19:03] *UnOrthOdOx* Is there any problem with the other item in the PM?
[19:03] *notyoueit* excuse me for a second
[19:06] * MasterZen has joined #GoW
[19:06] *MasterZen* wazzzzzzzzaaaaaaaap
[19:07] *MasterZen* wow, nye joined GoW!! sweet!
[19:07] *notyoueit* back
[19:07] *MasterZen* has anyone told him about our initiation process?
[19:07] *notyoueit* oh oh
[19:07] *MasterZen* step 1)
[19:07] *notyoueit* ole!
[19:07] *MasterZen* must dress in tights and dance in the jungle where Roleplay can see him
[19:08] *MasterZen* step 2)
[19:08] *notyoueit* do they have archers? that would be fatal for me if they have archers
[19:08] *UnOrthOdOx* NYE, was there any problem with the second item in the PM?
[19:08] *notyoueit* hang on
[19:08] *MasterZen* ok, what are you guys talking about?
[19:08] *UnOrthOdOx* The wording on the NAP
[19:08] *MasterZen* ahhh ok
[19:09] *notyoueit* uno. i think we will return to you in 24 hours with that wording ratified
[19:09] *notyoueit* if nothing crops up
[19:09] *UnOrthOdOx* Ok.
[19:09] *notyoueit* it is in effect though
[19:09] *notyoueit* just loose ends
[19:09] *UnOrthOdOx* No offense, I like it in writing
[19:10] *notyoueit* same here
[19:10] *notyoueit* re the rest of the pm. chat is good
[19:10] *notyoueit* r or f for me please
[19:10] *notyoueit* if it is 1800gmt
[19:11] *UnOrthOdOx* R or F?
[19:11] *notyoueit* re sending help. that is being discussed right now. at length
[19:11] *notyoueit* thurs or fri
[19:11] *UnOrthOdOx* Oh, OK.
[19:11] *UnOrthOdOx* We'll try to grab Darekill then.
[19:12] *UnOrthOdOx* Ill let you know when it's final
[19:12] *notyoueit* ok
[19:12] * UnOrthOdOx sets mode: +o MasterZen
[19:12] *notyoueit* have you discussed us with them since our last chat?
[19:12] * UnOrthOdOx sets mode: +o notyoueit
[19:12] * UnOrthOdOx sets mode: +o Panzer32
[19:13] *UnOrthOdOx* Panzer?
[19:13] *UnOrthOdOx* Sorry, they are not my specialty...
[19:13] *notyoueit* np
[19:13] *UnOrthOdOx* And, I've been busy doing my Prez thing.
[19:14] *UnOrthOdOx* Which I sure wish the upload was going quicker...
[19:14] *UnOrthOdOx* 15 min/picture is a *****
[19:14] *UnOrthOdOx* Hey, MZ
[19:14] *MasterZen* yes
[19:14] *UnOrthOdOx* You available wed for a chat in the SPDG?
[19:14] *MasterZen* sure thing, what time?
[19:14] *UnOrthOdOx* Wed at...1800?
[19:14] *MasterZen* 1800 GMT?
[19:14] *UnOrthOdOx* yes.
[19:14] *Panzer32* sorry, AFK for a min
[19:15] *MasterZen* that's 1300... yeah, I am. That's tommorow then right?
[19:15] *UnOrthOdOx* Yeah...respond in the 'Chat 16 schedule' thread that you can cover for GK, please.
[19:15] *notyoueit* if i understand correctly, gow has no problem with us having a presense on bob after the war. balance of power. the prob would be with nd. am i right?
[19:15] *MasterZen* sure thing will do right now, Mr. President
[19:15] *Panzer32* I haven't talked with ND since Sunday to answer the q
[19:16] *UnOrthOdOx* We haven't fully discussed this.
[19:16] *notyoueit* could i ask. what is gow to gain from the war? other than knocking rp down
[19:16] *MasterZen* the way I see it is that ND has a problem with it it's because they might be up to something after the war
[19:17] *MasterZen* isn't knocking down RP down just fun in itself??
[19:17] *UnOrthOdOx* So, unofficially, I think we wouldn't have any problem with a small territory in compensation until we get you some prime lego real estate.
[19:17] *UnOrthOdOx* We WANT your forces here at the end of the war, just in case ND gets any ideas.
[19:18] *notyoueit* i see. that is a good idea, i think
[19:18] *MasterZen* at least until we pull back our forces and beef up our defenses
[19:18] *UnOrthOdOx* Make sure they live up to their end of the deal...so to speak.
[19:18] *notyoueit* so, gow is not after land then?
[19:18] *MasterZen* nobody wants ND or GoW ruling Bob (well, we want to rule Bob...)
[19:19] *UnOrthOdOx* Anything we get south is horribly corrupt. Yes, we want more land, but would give up some of it for assurances.
[19:19] *UnOrthOdOx* Also, our NAP with ND ends when RP is destroyed.
[19:19] *notyoueit* ok. good to know. this chat will effect our discussions, i am sure
[19:19] *UnOrthOdOx* Currently
[19:20] * notyoueit is now known as notyoueither
[19:20] *MasterZen* we're going to have to do some nifty Palace placement to get the most of our new lands
[19:20] *UnOrthOdOx* I am saying, giving you a few cities with a lux or two, not a monopoly on those lux's is certainly reasonable, I think.
[19:21] *notyoueither* ok
[19:21] *MasterZen* or perhaps we can gift you luxes in excange for sending troops, i.e. no cities per se, in return we gift you any luxes we have extra
[19:21] *notyoueither* i should get going. turn will arrive soon. isdg. need to prepare
[19:21] *UnOrthOdOx* Until you can establish on Lego, that is, then we would have to see how things go. Perhaps at that point we will want your assistance dealing with ND, who knows?
[19:21] *MasterZen* anyway these are all ideas
[19:21] *MasterZen* we'll work as the war progesses
[19:22] *notyoueither* mz. the no cities idea is a major stumbling block
[19:22] *Panzer32* I'm afk for a while
[19:22] *notyoueither* it is just not in the cards from our pov as it is evolving
[19:22] *UnOrthOdOx* It is not smart Civving
[19:22] *MasterZen* ok, so you want cities
[19:22] *notyoueither* no. not at all
[19:22] *notyoueither* xpost
[19:23] *UnOrthOdOx* How much do you want is the question, and would you leave when you establish on lego.
[19:23] *UnOrthOdOx* The deal I am thinking is to agree to give you the bigger share of lego in return for helping here, but a temp territory as a 'down payment'
[19:24] *notyoueither* interests could certainly be traded. nothing ruling that out. very complicated though
[19:24] *notyoueither* something else that we have to take into account
[19:24] *UnOrthOdOx* Yes, and adding ND just confuses it further.
[19:24] *notyoueither* much of rp's southern coast is very close to south stormia
[19:25] *notyoueither* too close to expect us to not want to garrison it ourselves.
[19:25] *notyoueither* transports and marines are so damn mean
[19:25] *UnOrthOdOx* So...you would not want to leave is what you are saying.
[19:26] *UnOrthOdOx* Consider our side, you having LAND give you the advantage at such a time.
[19:26] *UnOrthOdOx* No need for amphibious invasions.
[19:27] *UnOrthOdOx* Very touchy stuff we are dealing with.
[19:27] *notyoueither* i can see that. however. land warfare is all together different from marines
[19:27] *MasterZen* marines are a looooong way off
[19:27] *notyoueither* we would be no where near anything important
[19:27] *notyoueither* yes, but they do come, mz
[19:28] *notyoueither* and in the mean time, before rr's. non marine invasions can be quite effective
[19:28] *MasterZen* I would expect Lego to be out of the picture by then
[19:28] *UnOrthOdOx* Personally, I would rather have a foothold, no matter how remote, than a short straight that can be easily defended with relatively few ships...
[19:29] *notyoueither* look more closely at the map, uno. it is not a short straight. it is a long coast line, which in the south gets close to important things
[19:30] *notyoueither* at any rate, let's leave off for now. i need to go.
[19:30] *UnOrthOdOx* It's no different than what GoW faces in the north. Perhaps we should be asking to garrison northern estonia?
[19:30] *notyoueither* how far is n estonia from your cap, uno?
[19:31] *notyoueither* from nd's?
[19:31] *UnOrthOdOx* Now or later?
[19:31] *notyoueither* i have to go.
[19:31] *UnOrthOdOx* Agreed.
[19:31] *UnOrthOdOx* Leave this for later.
[19:31] *notyoueither* ok. bye. good luck. the waiting must be eating you guys up
[19:32] *MasterZen* tell me about it..
[19:32] *UnOrthOdOx* We'll be having fun relatively soon.
[19:32] *notyoueither* see you in the isdg
Session Close: Tue Jul 15 19:32:20 2003

[zeit]

To UnO, ratified NAP:

Dear, UnOrthOdOx,

Sorry for being late with this, I guess Poly could be partially blamed for this...

Here is the ratified NAP,

This contract is a declaration of a Non Aggression Pact between Gathering Storm and Glory of War. Neither team will engage in hostile activity against the other team for the duration of the contract.

The contract becomes effective on turn 126, 50 BC and will remain in effect for a duration of 30 turns, cancelling after turn 156, 400 AD.

The contract is considered Top Secret and will be treated as such by both teams and by their members. No memeber of either team is allowed to discuss the existence, or details, of the contract with anyone who is not a member of either Gathering Storm or Glory of War.

Signed:
Glory of War Team

Ratified:
Gathering Storm

This could be the beginning of a wonderful friendship, .

As for a time for a joint chat with ND- 1800GMT is great for me any day. But, I will be leaving for Italy for 8 days on July 21st (going to the R.E.M. concerts ). So I'd really thank you if the chat could be arranged before that day.

Cordially,
Zeit.

[OPD]

recieved from UnO a few mins ago

Chat.
Hi all,

Please forgive me, or forgive Poly...

I was unable to log on the entire day and night yesterday. Only this morning do things appear in working order.

We have confirmed that a chat with ND is indeed possible for today at 1800 GMT. I know this is short notice, and apologize for that, but I didn't get confirmation until this morning either. OPD, I am copying you since NYE suggested that you be included in the chat.

If at all possible, we would like this to happen. If not, please let me know and I will attempt to reschedule for tomorrow.

Thanks,
UnOrthOdOx

[zeit]

From UnO:

am not going into allot of particulars unless RP deems to allow me to. I can produce evidence of the following.

An MPP is not an NAP to GoW. Furthermore RP KNEW it was not. I recently took over as ambassador to RP. During this short time, however, we were discussing possible deals.

RolePlay WROTE, and proposed a contract to GoW that SPECIFICALLY stated is was to be seen as an MPP AND an NAP among other things. This clearly demonstrated that they viewed them as two entirely seperate negotiations else why would they deem fit to include the NAP if they were under the impression that it was included in the MPP?

The contract that RP is bringing into question, though, only specifically stated an MPP why did they not include NAP if they felt they were seperate negotiations as already stated?

Furthermore, this is a big misunderstanding as far as I can see. There was no starting date ever written into the MPP in question, just a length of 30 turns. Nowhere was there an agreed start or end turn or date. Could it be that RP is silently extending the deal due to such ambiguities(sp)?

[Arrian]

Received from UnO:

Proof of MPP's
Please check with NYE on that.

There is proof of the MPP with Lux in the ISDG, I sent NYE a link a few days ago where Arnelos talks frankly of it. RP was not in a position to help, sure, but still violated the MPP by turning the other way, even tried to get ND to wait until the MPP was over, using GoW's name without permission to back that position. CalcII (aka Zero) confirmed this when he joined our team.

I am not sure whether or not I can produce the proof for the MPP of Vox. Suffice it to say, those galleys floating around your island are loaded. Im not sure with what, but they were supposed to land. There is a chat log of this, but I am not sure if I can produce it for you due to the agreements of secrecy for such a thing. I will check and get back to you.

Please share this with your team, thanks.

[Arrian]

My response:

RE: Proof of MPP's
Will do, UnO. Interesting stuff.

So, that "exploration" galley is loaded, eh? I'm glad we kept tabs on it, then.

What's the deal with this alleged GoW-RP MPP? Don't get me wrong, I've no love of RP, and was getting pretty hopeful about possibly future cooperation between GoW & GS, but if what they're saying is true, I will have trouble trusting you guys. No offense, but it is what it is.

-Arrian (Rob)

[DeepO]

chat with GoW and ND last night:

Session Start: Thu Jul 17 20:12:30 2003
[20:12] } Successfully joined #gow_cofa at 8:12pm
[20:12] } Total People:5 Ops:1 Voices:0
[20:12] } Channel Modes: +
[20:12] } Created on Thursday, July 17th, 2003 at 8:03pm
[20:12] [8:12pm] {@MasterZen} anyone else from ND or GS coming?
[20:12] {DeepO} hi there!
[20:12] [8:12pm] {@MasterZen} doh!
[20:12] {DeepO}
[20:12] [8:12pm] {opdaway} lo deepO
[20:12] [8:12pm] {@MasterZen} hey deep)
[20:12] {DeepO} lo
[20:12] [8:12pm] {Panzer32} MZ, op me
[20:12] {DeepO} good to be in
[20:12] [8:12pm] MasterZen sets mode: +o Panzer32
[20:12] {DeepO} Zeit should be arriving shortly
[20:13] [8:13pm] Panzer32 sets mode: +s
[20:13] [8:13pm] zeit (Zeit@adsl-188-25.barak.net.il) has joined. «6 people»
[20:13] {DeepO} here you go
[20:13] [8:13pm] {zeit} hello there
[20:13] {DeepO} I think that for GS that is about it...
[20:13] [8:13pm] {opdaway} lo Zeit
[20:13] [8:13pm] {zeit} have we all drifted here?
[20:13] [8:13pm] {zeit} i'll give Shiber a call
[20:13] [8:13pm] {@MasterZen} yep
[20:13] [8:13pm] Panzer32 sets mode: +tn
[20:13] [8:13pm] Panzer32 sets mode: +k rpmeat
[20:13] {DeepO} will post a message in our forum where to find us...
[20:14] [8:14pm] {[ND]Darek} Borc will come later. We don'T need to wait for him.
[20:14] [8:14pm] {@Panzer32} ok
[20:15] {DeepO} ok... OPD or Zeit, will you be GS's voice?
[20:15] [8:15pm] {opdaway} Zeit
[20:15] {DeepO} ok
[20:16] [8:16pm] {@MasterZen} anybody know if UnO is coming?
[20:16] {DeepO} forget about that posting on our board, 'poly is down again
[20:17] [8:17pm] {[ND]Darek} poly is down quite often in last days
[20:17] {DeepO} indeed...
[20:17] [8:17pm] {@Panzer32} I don't know about Uno
[20:17] {DeepO} might be best to have a backup for these kind of things
[20:17] {DeepO} as I suspect we want to have a diplo channel anyway...
[20:18] {DeepO} so... GS is complete... ND doesn't need to wait, GoW?
[20:19] {DeepO} let's get the show on the road
[20:19] [8:19pm] {[ND]Darek} yes let us show the road.
[20:19] [8:19pm] {@MasterZen} ok, let's start
[20:19] [8:19pm] opdaway (~dwyerowen@82-36-92-149.cable.ubr04.harb.blueyonder.co.uk) is now known as [GS}OPD
[20:19] [8:19pm] {zeit} very well
[20:19] [8:19pm] [GS}OPD (~dwyerowen@82-36-92-149.cable.ubr04.harb.blueyonder.co.uk) is now known as [GS]OPD
[20:20] [8:20pm] {@MasterZen} first of all a prayer:
[20:20] [8:20pm] zeit (Zeit@adsl-188-25.barak.net.il) is now known as [GS]zeit
[20:20] [8:20pm] {@MasterZen} May the valiant troops of GoW and ND survive battle without harm,
[20:20] [8:20pm] {[GS]zeit} in the spirit of the spanish catholics, maybe?
[20:20] [8:20pm] {@MasterZen} May our faithful friends from the GS prosper in peace
[20:20] [8:20pm] {[ND]Darek} we are islamic mind you?
[20:20] [8:20pm] {@MasterZen} May our treacherous enemies from RP be squashed like bugs
[20:21] [8:21pm] {@MasterZen} Salaam
[20:21] {DeepO} Amen
[20:21] [8:21pm] {@MasterZen} Allah Ackbar
[20:21] [8:21pm] {[ND]Darek} at least we roleplay to be islamic
[20:21] [8:21pm] SirRalph (~sirralph@pD9E00C03.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined. «7 people»
[20:21] [8:21pm] {@Panzer32} Do you do Jihad against RP?
[20:21] [8:21pm] {SirRalph} hello
[20:21] [8:21pm] {@Panzer32} hey SR
[20:21] {DeepO} hii SR!
[20:21] [8:21pm] {[GS]zeit} hi SR!
[20:22] [8:22pm] {[ND]Darek} kind of
[20:22] [8:22pm] {[ND]Darek} hi SR
[20:22] [8:22pm] {@MasterZen} hey SR!
[20:23] [8:23pm] {@MasterZen} ok, well, now that we're all here...
[20:24] [8:24pm] {[ND]Darek} let us pray again?
[20:24] {DeepO}
[20:24] [8:24pm] * MasterZen wishes he had UnO's agenda...
[20:24] [8:24pm] {[ND]Darek} no not again!
[20:24] [8:24pm] {@MasterZen} oh oh...
[20:24] [8:24pm] {[GS]zeit} I guess we could start with some brief update
[20:25] [8:25pm] {[GS]zeit} on the happening on the front(s)
[20:25] [8:25pm] {@MasterZen} ok
[20:25] [8:25pm] {@MasterZen} no combat so far, just the war declarations
[20:25] [8:25pm] {[GS]zeit} troop movement?
[20:25] [8:25pm] {[ND]Darek} this turn our troops enter spanish territory.
[20:25] [8:25pm] {@MasterZen} ours too
[20:26] [8:26pm] {@MasterZen} we suspect RP is much weaker than they appear
[20:26] [8:26pm] {@MasterZen} they've been sending peace feelers to us
[20:26] [8:26pm] {[GS]zeit} already?
[20:27] [8:27pm] {[ND]Darek} they are still trying to ally with us
[20:27] [8:27pm] {@MasterZen} yep, they want us to "reconsider" our approach and backstab ND instead :P
[20:27] [8:27pm] {[GS]zeit} I guess Togas is not used to combat beyond that fought with words
[20:27] [8:27pm] {[GS]zeit}
[20:27] [8:27pm] {@MasterZen} I guess
[20:27] [8:27pm] {@MasterZen} there's no way out of it though. GoW won't stand for anything than the total destruction of RP
[20:28] [8:28pm] {[ND]Darek} so do we.
[20:28] [8:28pm] {[GS]zeit} why is that, wouldn't you settle for just crippling them?
[20:28] [8:28pm] {[GS]zeit} (just asking)
[20:28] [8:28pm] {@MasterZen} you should hear all the crap I have to hear every night in the chat from RPers...
[20:28] [8:28pm] {[ND]Darek} We don't go at war easy but if we start one it ends either in our destruction or that of our enemys.
[20:29] [8:29pm] {[ND]Darek} at least as long as they do not flee to Vox
[20:29] [8:29pm] {[GS]zeit} hmm.. a true islamic jihad, then
[20:29] [8:29pm] {[GS]zeit} what about the spoils?
[20:29] [8:29pm] {@MasterZen} yeah, we've had enough of their deceit
[20:30] [8:30pm] {[GS]zeit} this was of course just a tease from RP, but i assume it could be a real problem for you- to divide them
[20:30] [8:30pm] {@MasterZen} all that has been settled for
[20:31] [8:31pm] {[ND]Darek} we have agreed to a map that let us shar Borconia in a fair way.
[20:31] [8:31pm] {@MasterZen} both teams shall be fairly and equally compensanted
[20:32] [8:32pm] {[GS]zeit} what is your estimate for the duration of the war?
[20:32] [8:32pm] {[ND]Darek} this war was planned millenia ago.
[20:32] [8:32pm] {[GS]zeit} you've said RP seems weaker than expected
[20:32] [8:32pm] {@MasterZen} well, we're not taking this lightly
[20:33] [8:33pm] {[GS]zeit} of course- they are not exactly a weakling- and distance is a problem
[20:33] [8:33pm] {@MasterZen} we expect them to fight, and fight hard
[20:33] [8:33pm] {[ND]Darek} we have no idea how long it will last. war's tend to be longer than you think and somtimes they are shorter than you hope.
[20:33] [8:33pm] {@MasterZen} but we have reason to believe they are 1) strapped for cash 2) militarily caught off guard
[20:34] [8:34pm] nye (notyoueith@h24-86-76-127.ed.shawcable.net) has joined. «8 people»
[20:34] [8:34pm] {[GS]zeit} why is that?
[20:34] {DeepO} hi nye!
[20:34] [8:34pm] {nye} lower case!
[20:34] {DeepO}
[20:34] [8:34pm] {nye} hello
[20:34] [8:34pm] {@MasterZen} yo yo yo!
[20:34] [8:34pm] {[GS]zeit} welcome aboard!
[20:34] [8:34pm] {[ND]Darek} hi
[20:35] [8:35pm] {@MasterZen} how many turns did the Vox-GS war last?
[20:35] {DeepO} 23
[20:36] {DeepO} hmmm.. make that 21
[20:36] [[GS]OPD PING]
[20:37] [8:37pm] {[GS]zeit} but then again- you have been preparing more than Vox has, I hope
[20:37] [8:37pm] {@MasterZen} well, I can't guess how long this one will take
[20:37] [8:37pm] {@MasterZen} but there should be a point in which it should be obvious that the war is won/lost
[20:38] [8:38pm] {[GS]zeit} yes, but since this is an utter-destruction war, it should take longer
[20:38] [8:38pm] {@MasterZen} well, the odds are totally against them: they're facing 2 civs each one the equal of their power, who on top of it all get their GAs and have prepared for this
[20:40] [8:40pm] {[GS]zeit} just taking a look at the map...
[20:40] [8:40pm] {@MasterZen} plus, it seems that allying with ND seemed the most uttely illogical thing to do. They still ask me why we did it, that it makes no sense... haha
[20:42] [8:42pm] {[ND]Darek} that is what they tell us too no matter of the fact that an allieance with them would be as illogical than the alliance with GoW
[20:42] [8:42pm] {[GS]zeit} when do you plan to make your attack on RP's first city?
[20:44] [8:44pm] {@MasterZen} soon enough
[20:44] [8:44pm] {[GS]zeit} I mean- do you want to make it a quick blitz or try to destroy as much as their army on the first fights?
[20:44] [8:44pm] {[ND]Darek} that depends upon their moves.
[20:45] [8:45pm] {@MasterZen} we're going with a combination of lure-and-destroy, and taking out their weak cities. Thus, it would be like blitzkrieg in that we're not going to stick around mauling a big pike-defended walled city like that...
[20:45] [8:45pm] {@MasterZen} our Riders give us the mobility we need to afford those kinds of slogs
[20:46] [8:46pm] {@MasterZen} *avoid
[20:46] [8:46pm] {[GS]zeit} so you'd stick to targets of opportunities, even if that means not getting ahead
[20:46] [8:46pm] {[GS]zeit} ?
[20:46] [8:46pm] {[ND]Darek} Ansar Warriors are just as fast
[20:47] [8:47pm] {@MasterZen} well we can't say right now what RP is going to do, forutnately we're attacking on two foronts, they'll be hard pressed to defend successfuly both
[20:47] [8:47pm] {[GS]zeit} we assumed GoW would go for Toledo first, is that so?
[20:48] [8:48pm] {@MasterZen} it's an option, Bilbao-Madrid is an alternative. Toledo would be good as it cuts their eastern cities from the center and the west
[20:49] [8:49pm] {@MasterZen} the idea is to threaten as many objectives as possible simultaneously, that weay we get the luxury of choosing which one to attack
[20:49] [8:49pm] {[GS]zeit} you mean NewM, right?
[20:50] [8:50pm] {@MasterZen} yeah
[20:50] [8:50pm] {[GS]zeit} what about help from Lego- is that an option for you
[20:50] [8:50pm] {@MasterZen} the way our stack is positioned, we are perfectly capable of attacking either Toledo or Bilbao on the same turn
[20:50] [8:50pm] {[GS]zeit} from Lego to RP, that is
[20:51] [8:51pm] {@MasterZen} vondrack has assured me that Lego has no intention of getting involved. of course, that can be a ruse.
[20:51] [8:51pm] {[GS]zeit} yes- but it would probably trouble ND more, with Lego on the west
[20:51] [8:51pm] {[ND]Darek} They told us that they want to keep off of Borconia.
[20:52] [8:52pm] {[ND]Darek} we are at good terms withthem. at least we think so.
[20:52] [8:52pm] {@MasterZen} we are too
[20:52] [8:52pm] {[GS]zeit} what about monetary help for RP, this could solve their cashflow problem you mentioned...
[20:52] [8:52pm] {[GS]zeit} any ideas on that?
[20:53] [8:53pm] {@MasterZen} that is a possibility
[20:53] [8:53pm] {[GS]zeit} or maybe Chivalry...
[20:54] [8:54pm] {@MasterZen} not likely, we traded them Chiv and attached a no-trade clause even longer than the one we attached to you
[20:54] [8:54pm] {[GS]zeit} As for us- we have no intentions of lending them a hand
[20:55] [8:55pm] {[GS]zeit} we've no desire to help this conflict stretch longer
[20:55] [8:55pm] {@MasterZen} good, I'll be glad to see how they've dug their own hole by lying to everyone
[20:56] [8:56pm] {@MasterZen} me neither
[20:57] [8:57pm] {[ND]Darek} we are not the big war fans. But what has to be, has to be
[20:57] [8:57pm] {[GS]zeit} Like UnO said- its more about interests than that- they have kept a huge portion of Bob for themselves- they should back it with good diplomacy, but they havn't
[20:58] [8:58pm] {@MasterZen} at least not lying-hypocritical diplomacy, I think that's the difference
[20:59] [8:59pm] {@MasterZen} like GoW, I feel we have used diplomacy as our principal weapon, but we don't want to give the impression on teams that we say one thing to them then say an entrely different thing to the other slandering them
[20:59] [8:59pm] {[GS]zeit} well, we don't need to get into that here- we've all experienced their diplo-acts at some point...
[20:59] [8:59pm] {@MasterZen} because ultimately everyone will find out and get pissed at them. Which is why this is happening to RP. No team that I know of has love fo RP
[21:00] [9:00pm] {[GS]zeit} is there anything you want to discuss with us- something you wish to bring up?
[21:01] [9:01pm] {@MasterZen} well, we wanted to see if you had discussed the possibility of undertaking military action against RP too, and if so, on what terms.
[21:02] [9:02pm] {[GS]zeit} we have considered this, as you can probably imagine
[21:02] [9:02pm] {[GS]zeit} would you both approve of such intervention?
[21:03] [9:03pm] {[GS]zeit} (GoW-ND)
[21:03] [9:03pm] {@MasterZen} depends on the terms.
[21:03] [9:03pm] {@MasterZen} and I can't speak for ND
[21:03] [9:03pm] {[ND]Darek} I second that
[21:03] [9:03pm] {[GS]zeit} what do you have in mind?
[21:03] [9:03pm] {@MasterZen} well, we have 3 possibilites
[21:04] [9:04pm] {[ND]Darek} we would have som luxurys to share.
[21:04] [9:04pm] {[GS]zeit} i can say that we would definitely ask for a portion of RP's territory
[21:04] [9:04pm] {@MasterZen} 1) "scare" - simply send some galleys, scare the crap out of them, hopefully they'll lure troops over there
[21:04] [9:04pm] {@MasterZen} 2) joint operations - send troops, fight with us
[21:04] [9:04pm] {[GS]zeit} I doubt they'll move any forces with no real imminent threat, so i suppose 1 will be inneffective
[21:05] [9:05pm] {@MasterZen} 3) "peacekeeping" - send troops once RP is on the brink of defeat, that should deal them a death blow and they'll hopefully surrender their last cities
[21:05] [9:05pm] {[ND]Darek} aportion of the territory would be hard to accept for us.
[21:05] [9:05pm] {nye} why is that, Darekill?
[21:05] [9:05pm] {[GS]zeit} DareKill- won't you have enough of RP already?
[21:06] [9:06pm] {[GS]zeit} i mean, RP is HUGE
[21:06] [9:06pm] {[ND]Darek} well we have to share borconia with GoW we have managed in hard negotiations to do that. if we give any territory to you all of this would be void and we have to start anew.
[21:07] [9:07pm] {[ND]Darek} your territory is not so small...
[21:07] [9:07pm] {nye} we would not be looking for large chuncks, Darekill
[21:07] [9:07pm] {[GS]zeit} but definitely problematic to defend- as it is a long strip
[21:08] [9:08pm] {[GS]zeit} we're looking for a strip of coastal area, that is of strategic significance for us
[21:08] [9:08pm] {[ND]Darek} defnd against whom? we are not looking for more territory.
[21:08] [9:08pm] {@MasterZen} why so? how does a strip of coastal area make GS more secure?
[21:09] [9:09pm] {[GS]zeit} after RP is gone, the game is not over, as far as i know
[21:09] [9:09pm] {[GS]zeit} wars will still be part of the game, and GS wishes to keep its ass covered, so to speak
[21:10] [9:10pm] {[ND]Darek} so do we and give gs a part of borconia isn't that good an idea
[21:10] [9:10pm] {nye} well, darekill
[21:10] [9:10pm] {SirRalph} well... why else would we help you? do you have an offer?
[21:10] [9:10pm] {nye} some parts of rp are much closer to important bits of gs than of ND
[21:10] [9:10pm] {@MasterZen} agreed. but a small strip of coastal land seems more like a potential beachhead than a defensive bastion. If someone invades GS that little strip is worthless
[21:11] [9:11pm] {nye} it prevents the invasion from having come from there
[21:11] [9:11pm] {@MasterZen} what we had proposed is that this land be temporary. Until we, and if we, undertake action against that "other" civ
[21:11] [9:11pm] {nye} or do you think we do not know our own position and priorities?
[21:11] [9:11pm] {@MasterZen} agreed, but invasions can come both ways
[21:12] [9:12pm] {nye} true
[21:12] [9:12pm] {[ND]Darek} we could have trade agreements. MPPs+NAPs Luxurys to share technology to exchange ther is so much more to give you but territory
[21:12] [9:12pm] {@MasterZen} hence our own security concerns
[21:12] [9:12pm] {nye} and we are far from anything important to both ND and GoW
[21:12] [9:12pm] {@MasterZen} would you consider it temporary until you get the big chuck of Lego?
[21:13] [9:13pm] {SirRalph} what will we do during this time? build your infrastructure?
[21:13] [9:13pm] {nye} much of it, possibly yes
[21:14] [9:14pm] {nye} there is a very small part of rp that we deem strategically vital
[21:14] [9:14pm] {nye} and do not want to see in anyones hands but our own
[21:14] [9:14pm] {@MasterZen} the Bilbao-Madrid area I suppose
[21:14] [9:14pm] {nye} no. not bilbao
[21:14] [9:14pm] {nye} south
[21:14] [9:14pm] {@MasterZen} around Barcelona?
[21:14] [9:14pm] {nye} where there are 2 lux, and 1 turn crossings to stormia
[21:16] [9:16pm] {[GS]zeit} Barc-Valencia, i believe
[21:16] [9:16pm] {@MasterZen} ok
[21:16] [9:16pm] {nye} up to new madrid
[21:16] [9:16pm] {@MasterZen} well, you are aware that's a pretty big chunk
[21:17] [9:17pm] {nye} not really, compared to all of bob
[21:17] [9:17pm] {nye} and it is a lot of plains and desert
[21:17] [9:17pm] {@MasterZen} not all of bob is colonized
[21:17] [9:17pm] {nye} we assume it will be
[21:17] [9:17pm] {[GS]zeit} you don't excpect to get their entire cities, right?
[21:18] [9:18pm] {[ND]Darek} well if you want some pices of borconia would you consider it fair that we get each a city on estonia?
[21:18] [9:18pm] {@Panzer32} so you would want Barcelona, Valencia, and New Madrid?
[21:18] [9:18pm] {nye} why? did you sned help to slay vox?
[21:19] [9:19pm] {nye} panzer, yes
[21:19] [9:19pm] {@Panzer32} why Valencia? There are no 1 turn crossings
[21:19] [9:19pm] {@Panzer32} oh, the lux
[21:20] [9:20pm] {@MasterZen} of course in exchange for that you'd have to invervene you know? If no deal regarding military intervention is reached, I don't imagine us supporting a GS presence on the continent.
[21:20] [9:20pm] {@Panzer32} what if, hypothetically, we said you could have them if you captured them yourselves?
[21:20] [9:20pm] {nye} that is understood
[21:20] [9:20pm] {nye} panzer. we could talk about it
[21:20] [9:20pm] {[GS]zeit} "you get what you fight for",

[DeepO]

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[21:20] [9:20pm] {@MasterZen} hehe
[21:21] [9:21pm] {@MasterZen} all of this is of course just ideas. Nothing definite. I don't want anyone to lose their cool over things that are nowhere near being concrete.
[21:21] [9:21pm] {nye} agreed
[21:22] [9:22pm] {[GS]zeit} you're talking with the GS, remember?
[21:22] [9:22pm] {@MasterZen} you're talking to me, remember? :P
[21:22] [9:22pm] {[GS]zeit} as for the Lux- you don't need spices, but we do
[21:24] [9:24pm] {@MasterZen} yes we do, you think that squid we're going to capture is going to taste good without any spices?? :P
[21:25] [9:25pm] {[GS]zeit} so,is there a basis for negotiation, regarding that strip of coast- could that work for both ND and GoW?
[21:25] [9:25pm] {@MasterZen} here's an idea:
[21:25] [9:25pm] {[ND]Darek} let's hear it.
[21:26] [9:26pm] {@MasterZen} you get Valencia. You get all the free luxes both ND and GoW have and you don't. We agree to a NAP while that city is on our continent. Contract ends after the successful conclusion of a war with Lego.
[21:27] [9:27pm] {@MasterZen} We can still give you the free luxes after the Lego war
[21:27] [9:27pm] {@MasterZen} with RP and Lux destroyed there's only 4 civs we each can trade a lux to
[21:27] [9:27pm] {[GS]zeit} hmm.. a strip of coastal land, maybe, perhaps Valencia+Barcelona?
[21:27] [9:27pm] {nye} MZ. we deem the area vital. strategically
[21:28] [9:28pm] {@MasterZen} nye: so do we, as I said, invasions go both ways
[21:28] [9:28pm] {nye} mz. we can't amhip you from there. you can us
[21:29] [9:29pm] {@MasterZen} why can't you? it's a galley trip away..
[21:29] [9:29pm] {[ND]Darek} there will soon be larger ships too.
[21:30] [9:30pm] {nye} i am not going to argue about why gs feels the area important. i have told you.
[21:30] [9:30pm] {[ND]Darek} I still do not like the thought of GS on borconia.
[21:30] [9:30pm] {[ND]Darek} nopt if it is forever.
[21:30] [9:30pm] {[ND]Darek} temporarily maybe but not for all times.
[21:30] [9:30pm] {@MasterZen} no, I understand why you feel it vital. But our security concerns are vital too.
[21:31] [9:31pm] {@MasterZen} well, let's get some agreement here, the idea I proposed, can it be a "start"? I mean, can we start negotiating from that point?
[21:32] [9:32pm] {nye} not really, mz
[21:32] [9:32pm] {nye} it does not address gs's concerns
[21:32] [9:32pm] {nye} i am puzzeled why it is necessary to keep bob to 2 civs
[21:32] [9:32pm] {nye} that is a massive amount of land
[21:33] [9:33pm] {@Panzer32} so you want all 3 cities or nothing?
[21:33] [9:33pm] {nye} those are the areas we deem vital.
[21:33] [9:33pm] {[ND]Darek} i'm puzzeled why the largest nation in the game needs some of borconia.
[21:33] [9:33pm] {nye} there were other areas we like, but can live happily without
[21:33] [9:33pm] {@MasterZen} and like I said, Bob is far from being entirely colonized
[21:34] [9:34pm] {nye} the future, Darekill. count tiles.
[21:34] [9:34pm] {SirRalph} that is not an argument. its a matter of time
[21:34] [9:34pm] {@MasterZen} you have 18 cities alone in the GS lands, no Bob civ has that amount
[21:34] [9:34pm] {@MasterZen} yes but time makes them productive too, it's not the same to have 30 ****ty cities than 15 strong ones
[21:34] [9:34pm] {nye} tiles support pop. count tiles
[21:35] [9:35pm] {nye} brb
[21:35] [9:35pm] {@MasterZen} if we give you 3 cities, what guarantee do we have that's not going to be used for a massive invasion by GS?
[21:35] [9:35pm] {@Panzer32} who has the save, anyways?
[21:35] [9:35pm] {[GS]zeit} pop is real resource- and Bob's fertile lands certainly support more than stormia's
[21:36] [9:36pm] {[GS]zeit} even when devided to 2
[21:36] {DeepO} don't forget corruption... we're long stretched
[21:36] [9:36pm] {@MasterZen} agreed, but will you agree this to be temporary until you get lego?
[21:37] [9:37pm] {[GS]zeit} maybe, i can't say for certain, as they say in arabic
[21:37] [9:37pm] {[GS]zeit} shwoye shwoye- one step at a time
[21:38] [9:38pm] {@MasterZen} it'll be hard for us to accept anything as permanent...
[21:39] [9:39pm] {[GS]zeit} i can understand that, but all this talk about lego- its just a plan, who knows what'll happen by that time...
[21:41] [9:41pm] {@MasterZen} well, unless you have other plans, I honestly don't see a better alternative than Lego being next
[21:41] {DeepO} GS?
[21:41] [9:41pm] {@MasterZen} they're the civ most likely to win if left alone
[21:41] {DeepO} that may be true
[21:42] {DeepO} but we have little assurances we're so safe
[21:42] {DeepO} and given the tile count
[21:42] [9:42pm] {@MasterZen} look at it this way,
[21:42] [9:42pm] {@MasterZen} if we don't reach any agreement regarding intervention and settlement on Bob, how is that going to make you any safer?
[21:43] {DeepO} MZ, no offense, but having an agreement regarding intervention is a 'gift' from us
[21:43] {DeepO} we could very well take RP if we wanted to
[21:43] {DeepO} but that is not our plan...
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[21:44] {DeepO} hi Borc
[21:44] {DeepO} maybe you could get us out of this impasse
[21:44] [9:44pm] {SirRalph} hello Borc
[21:44] [9:44pm] {Borc} hi, had to install mirc first at home
[21:44] [9:44pm] {@MasterZen} hehe
[21:44] [9:44pm] {[ND]Darek} hi borc.
[21:44] [9:44pm] {@MasterZen} hello Borc
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[21:44] [9:44pm] {[ND]Darek} We ar talking baout how GS can support opur war with RP.
[21:44] [9:44pm] {@MasterZen} I don't see it so much as an impasse simply as this is not an easy topic to deal with.
[21:44] {DeepO} agreed
[21:45] [9:45pm] {@MasterZen} Both of us have our own security needs in mind, and it conflicts with the other's
[21:45] [9:45pm] {[ND]Darek} GS want's a part of Borconia. three citys.
[21:45] {DeepO} which we'll happily support your war for
[21:45] [9:45pm] {nye} back
[21:45] [9:45pm] {nye} hi borc
[21:45] [9:45pm] {[ND]Borc} spain cities?
[21:45] [9:45pm] {SirRalph} yes
[21:45] [9:45pm] {[ND]Borc} hi nye!
[21:46] [9:46pm] {@MasterZen} and it's quite understandable each of us is paranoid of the other. You have the biggest army right now, whereas the possibilty of Bob owned by 2 civs righfully scares you.
[21:46] [9:46pm] {@MasterZen} in that sense, neither of us is really being unreasonable.
[21:46] {DeepO} of course, that would leave 2 civs with about double the tile count of our own
[21:46] {DeepO} and with Lego still in this game, it would degrade us to ths smallest civ...
[21:46] {DeepO} after Vox, of course
[21:48] [9:48pm] {@MasterZen} hehe
[21:48] [9:48pm] {SirRalph} we're glad to entertain you, mz
[21:49] [9:49pm] {@MasterZen} :P
[21:50] [9:50pm] {@MasterZen} many years of negotiating has taught me that 99% of the time there is a middle ground. And that the other 1% is so damn obvious there isn't it is hardly worth starting to negotiate at all.
[21:50] {DeepO} there is a middle gground, for sure
[21:51] {DeepO} maybe that is our problem
[21:51] {DeepO} we know what you would want as a maximum
[21:51] {DeepO} you want Bob to your own, and our help to take out RP
[21:52] {DeepO} furtherr, you want to make sure we don't backstab you in any way, taking advantage of the situation
[21:52] {DeepO} We fully understand this
[21:52] [9:52pm] {@MasterZen} good
[21:52] {DeepO} and want to accomadte you
[21:52] [9:52pm] {@MasterZen} I knew we were getting to each other
[21:52] {DeepO} so... we ask for seeing our PoV too
[21:53] {DeepO} we can't have 2 civs on Bob, controlling too much territory and all the uxes
[21:53] {DeepO} without any assurances
[21:53] [9:53pm] {SirRalph} assurances are nothing
[21:53] {DeepO} further, we have a large amry that is wasting money in upkeep
[21:53] [9:53pm] {@MasterZen} in writing they are
[21:53] {DeepO} and a couple of StormHawks with itchy fingers
[21:53] {DeepO} assurances in writing? Sorry...
[21:53] {DeepO} much better to hold a couple of civs
[21:54] {DeepO} with not too much tiles
[21:54] {DeepO} and some (not all) luxes
[21:54] [9:54pm] {nye} cities, i think you menat
[21:54] {DeepO}
[21:54] {DeepO} yeah...
[21:54] [9:54pm] {nye} *ment
[21:54] {DeepO} so.. maybe there is a middle ground
[21:54] [9:54pm] {@MasterZen} so, I think a tradeoff is in place here: we tradeoff you having cities, you tradeoff that they be temporary until Lego is gone
[21:54] {DeepO} but IMHO we have given your PoV a lot of thought
[21:55] {DeepO} and perhaps you could give ours some PoV as well?
[21:55] «SirRalph in #GStalks at 9:55pm» wow... DeepO is bullying more than I suggested to. I'm astounded
[21:55] {DeepO} that could be possible...
[21:55] [9:55pm] {nye} mz, the temporary issue. will the land move and be further from stormia?
[21:55] [9:55pm] {@MasterZen} we will, trust me. In fact this will take quite some time
[21:56] [9:56pm] {@MasterZen} it is doubtful we will agree on anything today, but this is all a start. Big plans take time to lay out
[21:56] {DeepO} but plans are plans...
[21:56] {DeepO} and big pplans involving Lego are difficult
[21:56] {DeepO} although we fully support the discussion
[21:56] {DeepO} we want to reach some agreement with both of you
[21:56] {DeepO} let this noty be misunderstood
[21:57] [9:57pm] {@MasterZen} it is understood by me that this is a touchy subject, that we are smart and mature enough to eventually reach some sort of agreement, but also that it will take time.
[21:58] {DeepO} agreed, mz
[21:58] {DeepO} but how much time do we have?
[21:58] {DeepO} I mean... RP is going down
[21:59] {DeepO} and we better have an agreement before laying out plans where to invade them
[21:59] {DeepO} (if at all)
[21:59] «nye in #GStalks at 9:59pm» going good, deepo
[21:59] [9:59pm] {@MasterZen} perhaps sooner than we think, perhaps later... but I think the first turns will be crucial
[21:59] {DeepO} agreed again
[21:59] {DeepO} which is another concern of us
[21:59] {DeepO} we don't want to jump in too late
[21:59] [9:59pm] {@MasterZen} the overall destruction of RP might take time, but there's always a point in which you know your opponent is defeated
[22:00] {DeepO} and give tyou the feeling that we took advantage
[22:00] [10:00pm] {[ND]Darek} we have to discuss that in our forum too you know.
[22:00] {DeepO} we want some RP meat, damnit!
[22:00] [10:00pm] {@MasterZen} hahaha, I see you have no love for them either
[22:00] {DeepO} are you kidding?
[22:00] [10:00pm] {@MasterZen} and its not meat, it's SQUID.
[22:00] {DeepO} I don't hold anything against them personally
[22:00] [10:00pm] {@MasterZen} nah, just as a team
[22:01] [10:01pm] {@MasterZen} most of my english-speaking poly friends are RPers, so it really kinda turns my stomach to know I'm at war with them. But it's just a game.
[22:01] {DeepO} indeed...
[22:01] {DeepO} and one RP will not win
[22:01] {DeepO} but they can still do a lot of damaga
[22:02] {DeepO} you'd be surprised to see how much Vox damaged us
[22:02] [10:02pm] {@MasterZen} yep
[22:02] {DeepO} so... here's timing again
[22:02] [10:02pm] {[GS]zeit} just by having us wasted the GA
[22:02] {DeepO} if this war drags out so long that both of your GAs are over
[22:02] {DeepO} and their UU is coming up... auch
[22:03] {DeepO} one sec, I have to go for the moment
[22:03] [10:03pm] {@MasterZen} if they survive till then, I expect them to be totally crippled...
[22:04] «[GS]zeit in #GStalks at 10:04pm» my too- sorry DeepO
[22:05] {DeepO} sorry guys, I'll try to keep an eye on this, but I have to leave...
[22:05] [10:05pm] {@MasterZen} ok, don't worry
[22:05] [10:05pm] {@MasterZen} are you guys up for a later chat, say next week?
[22:05] [10:05pm] {[ND]Borc} would be great!
[22:05] [10:05pm] {@MasterZen} we can inform you on how the war is going and we can start brushing up on this deal
[22:06] [10:06pm] {[ND]Darek} as i said before we have to discuss that at home in ND.
[22:06] [10:06pm] {[GS]zeit} sure thing- we would do so as well
[22:06] [10:06pm] {nye} ok. a further chat would be good
[22:06] [10:06pm] {nye} 7 days might be a bit long
[22:06] [10:06pm] {[GS]OPD} depends how quickly the turns will be played
[22:06] [10:06pm] {@MasterZen} plus, we'd have a better idea if RP is going to collapse like a deck of cards or if its going to be one hard slog
[22:06] [10:06pm] {@MasterZen} I don't think they'll be played pretty quick
[22:07] [10:07pm] {[ND]Darek} we take our time and we need it. it's war after all.
[22:07] [10:07pm] {@MasterZen} that's why 1 week isn't as long as it seems, plus with all the problems Poly has been ahving..
[22:07] [10:07pm] {[GS]zeit} it remains to be seen- but i share your estimate on RP's standing firm for some time
[22:08] [10:08pm] {[GS]OPD} Is 1800gmt ok for you guys again??
[22:08] [10:08pm] {[GS]zeit} i really don't know what time is good for you guys- but perhaps the beggining of next week?
[22:08] [10:08pm] {@MasterZen} 1800 seems fine
[22:09] [10:09pm] {[ND]Darek} 1800gmt is the time we startet today right?
[22:09] [10:09pm] {@Panzer32} yes
[22:09] [10:09pm] {[ND]Darek} thats good for me.
[22:09] [10:09pm] {[ND]Borc} ok.. next thuirsday right?
[22:09] [10:09pm] {@MasterZen} if things speed up we can have it before
[22:10] [10:10pm] {@MasterZen} me and nye are in the ISDG chat every night so re-scheduling would not be a problem
[22:10] [10:10pm] {nye} yes. Borc and Darekill...
[22:10] [10:10pm] {[GS]OPD} cool
[22:10] [10:10pm] {nye} i can be found many times in irc in your morning
[22:11] [10:11pm] {nye} i think OPD will be getting in touch with you, for us. soon
[22:11] [10:11pm] {[GS]OPD} have to keep up to date with developments
[22:12] [10:12pm] {[GS]OPD} hmmn 1 sec
[22:12] [10:12pm] {@MasterZen} don't worry, whenever you need an official war-update, contact us
[22:12] [10:12pm] {[GS]zeit} I'm having a trip to Italy, so i'll be off-duty for a while,
[22:13] [10:13pm] {[GS]OPD} who has the save now?
[22:13] [10:13pm] {[ND]Darek} we have it but not for much longer
[22:14] [10:14pm] {[GS]OPD} will ND be attacking RP this turn?
[22:15] [10:15pm] {@MasterZen} patience my blood-lusting friend...
[22:16] [10:16pm] {[GS]zeit}
[22:16] [10:16pm] {[ND]Darek} not this turn but next.
[22:16] [10:16pm] {[GS]OPD} cheers
[22:17] [10:17pm] {[GS]OPD} ok so 1800 GMT next thursday
[22:17] [10:17pm] {[GS]OPD} here again.
[22:17] [10:17pm] {@MasterZen} I'm going to be afk for about 10 min. brb
[22:17] [10:17pm] {@MasterZen} yep
[22:17] [10:17pm] {@MasterZen} same GoW-time
[22:17] [10:17pm] {@MasterZen} same GoW-channel
[22:17] [10:17pm] {[GS]zeit} have fun everyone, i gtg, bye!
[22:18] [10:18pm] {@MasterZen} ok, thanks for coming all of you
[22:18] [10:18pm] {[ND]Borc} ok... i have to leave also... lets rock!
[22:18] [10:18pm] {[ND]Darek} fine.
[22:18] [10:18pm] Quits: [GS]zeit (Zeit@adsl-188-25.barak.net.il) (Quit)
[22:18] [10:18pm] [ND]Borc (Borc@pD9E50D70.dip.t-dialin.net) has parted. «7 people»
[22:19] [10:19pm] MasterZen (Master@dup-200-66-230-123.prodigy.net.mx) is now known as MZ|brb
[22:20] [10:20pm] {nye} bye
[22:20] [10:20pm] [ND]Darek (~darekill@D94d7.pppool.de) has parted. «6 people»
[22:20] [10:20pm] nye (notyoueith@h24-86-76-127.ed.shawcable.net) has parted. «5 people»
[22:20] {DeepO} woops.. I'm I the only one still in here from GS?
[22:20] {DeepO} I'll leave then, so you guys can safely discuss things
[22:21] [10:21pm] {SirRalph} me too
[22:21] {DeepO} nice to have chatted with you, let's certainly do it again later
[22:21] [10:21pm] {SirRalph} bye
[22:21] {DeepO} bye
[22:21] [10:21pm] SirRalph (~sirralph@pD9E00C03.dip.t-dialin.net) has parted. (bye) «4 people»
[22:21] [10:21pm] {@MZ|brb} yes, we will
[22:21] [10:21pm] {@MZ|brb} thanks for coming
[22:21] {DeepO} my pleasure
Session Close: Thu Jul 17 22:21:32 2003