DIPLO: comments on Rollplay log

[notyoueither]

RP's military situation

[notyoueither]

GStalk pw changed to balrog

someone leaked it somehow.

[ManicStarSeed]

This is late and redundant, but I justr moved this from the tactical thread. These were some thoughts prior to the RP propsal....

Mss

Originally posted by ManicStarSeed
In order to show us a true willingness to become game partners, we offre the following deal..

Item 1 and 2 should happen prior to any agreement

First RP agrees to become our vassal by..

1) Starting immediatly, provid turn by turn, properly annoted (stack size, units and strength) screenshots which will be used by GS in providing tactical advise. This is confidential information and will not be disclosed under any circumstances

2) GS trades engineering for a lux. This is of the essence and the extra turn of movment will make a big difference in the state of our new "friends."

3) Seriously consider GS tactial advise. As the success of GS becomes tied to the success of RP, we have a decided interest in the outcome of battle. While tactical advise is just that...advice, from time to time the need to follow said advice is greatly increased. GS will notify RP if it is imperitive to choose a direction. GS does not want to run RP, but does want to coordinate allied effort in "The War of The Bobs".

4) RP provides 1 lux to GS free of charge for 20 turns after all hostilities end. This will help offset some WW as this is not an in-game defensive war.


5) We land troops


6) they gift us required cities

7) We sign ROP

[notyoueither]

I think much of that is exceeded by the treaty Arnelos wrote to start from.

They are already seeking our advice, and implementing it. I would imagine that after the treaty is signed, they may even forward the save to some of us so that we can give more timely and accurate advice.

We would give Engineering, of course. All luxes to be shared, with odd balls being ours to decide who gets it.

Discussions of city dispositions are underway. They are very attached to many of the cities in the South (for obvious reasons). They responded very well when I suggested we might return most of their historic cities to them once the danger is past, and take more land in the North. They liked that a great deal.

Conversation now is based on our taking over the front in the East (New Madrid, Toledo, Bilbao) so that their army concentrates in the West.

[Harovan]

Oh, so they are concerned about catholic land being given to heathens? Tell our new friends, that Frater Ralphus is catholic at heart and will gladly accept the cardinal's hat from the hands of pope Calixtus I.

[notyoueither]

Hahahahahahaha. Will do.

[notyoueither]

*notyoueither* btw, for the rp'ers of RP.
*notyoueither* Frater Ralphus is anciously awaiting his cardinals cap
...
*Togas* With the "Catholosism" issues, I am positive that History Guy would absolutely enjoy PMs from any interested people from Gathering Storm.

[Theseus]

Great job on the chat, nye!! I had the same immediate reaction... Frater Ralphus is BACK!!

We should spend a little time on roleplaying to solidify the relationship. Perhaps a spontaneous outcry in one of our cities, as wonderfully described by vulture.

[notyoueither]

Good note send by Frater Ralphus. It will help. Vulture could be useful too. It should wait a bit for publication though. Not before war with ND.

[DeepO]

proposal seems fine... maybe one comment (but only to avoid a loophole): we will grant the cities Marlowa, Arnablanca, etc. but the timing is rather strict. We expect to conquer GoW, and before that time, those few cities might serve us... it reads like RP wants them when ND is conquered, not when Bob is conquered.

Other then that, I would ratify it asap, and send it back. And let's hope they have also ratified it in the mean time, so we can get an official copy back in the next 15 minutes or so

DeepO

[Aeson]

For the most part, the cities will be better with RP, especially the S ND cities. We do need bases from time to time, but those we should place with Settlers of our own probably.

Does the nationality of all citizens in a gifted town change like it does in SP? If so, it's a good means of preventing culture flips.

[Theseus]

I think the agreement is excellent, although I agree that the timing of who gets what cities when is a little hazy.

If anybody has any good ideas, I volunteer the StormHawk Party for further roleplay.

[notyoueither]

There are two bits missing.

Article VII

****4. With the exception of Article I, this treaty is subject to restrictions which Gathering Storm may be under due to agreements with foreign powers. If Gathering Storm is unable to fulfill a clause of this treaty, because doing so would cause a violation of an agreement with a foreign power, then Gathering Storm will not be considered to have violated this treaty.

****5. The existence of this treaty, and the terms of it, are to be kept secret from all civs and individuals who are not members or citizens of Gathering Storm or Spain. Gathering Storm may grant permission to disclose the existence of this treaty or specific details of it when Gathering Storm feels it would be beneficial to do so, at which time specified details may be disclosed, but the remainder will remain secret.

I will go chase down Arnelos if possible.

[asleepathewheel]

huh, wonder why they took those out...


edit: a bit fishy that they would try to sneak that in without telling us of the change...

[DeepO]

agree nye. And please ask them for a ratified copy ASAP (meaning in the next few hours)

DeepO