Turn 112, 330 BC

[Shiber]

Stats:

Inside Inchon: cat, healthy elite pike, injured (2HP) vet pike. Oh, and no leaders
Outside Inchon: 3: 2 units, 9 & 6: max pips (8 or more units on each tile).

[nbarclay]

Presumably, the injured vet is one we unloaded last turn, while the elite is one that was already fortified. We'll probably need to pull back the force we landed outside Elipolis to defend Inchon, but we'll know more when we get into the turn proper. By the way, are our walls still up?

Also, I'm inclined to switch Hurricane to a pike this turn since we just lost six of the things.

[Shiber]

Walls: yes.

[Arrian]

Yeah, agreed, Nathan. Switch Hurricane to a pike. Damnit.

Can we rush a unit in Inchon?

Damnit!

-Arrian

[alva]

Can we rush a unit in Inchon?

We have no shields, but rushing a worker first, then switching to a pike and rushing (same turn)would could us 160 G instaeds of 240G

[Theseus]

MOFO!!!!

I never thought of that!

Edit: So never, EVER rush from 0 anything but a Worker. I obviously usually don;t rush from scratch anyway, but I've usually seeded by disbanding. Is it just me, or is this a new trick?

[Arrian]

Never thought of what? Using a worker to short rush?

Really? I do that all the time in SP.

-Arrian

[Theseus]

Well how come you never told me??!!

[alva]

I never do any of these tactics in SP (shortrushing either), but I guess there fare game in MP.
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Don't really know if you do this Nathan, but when going through the production fase, do you switch workers to benefit shields again?
IE using top tiles (shielded cow/forest game etc.) for more then one city.
It's not always possible, since you can only go to the next city in line (the previous ones will have gotten their shield production calculated already)

[Theseus]

Isn't that an exploit?

[Arrian]

Negative, ghostrider, the pattern is full.

Sorry, wierd Top Gun quote I always use for no reason.

Anyway, no, I don't believe it's an exploit at all.

-Arrian

[alva]

I ask you, is short-rushing an exploit?

There are all borderline to me, but unlike the AI, others can learn and use these themselves.
Can't really answer your question I'm affraid

That's why I said, I never use any of these in SP games.

[nbarclay]

I have the save open now.

Regarding whether or not to rush a pike, (presumably using the short-rush trick), as much as I hate to do it, I think we probably should. Vox still has their cats, and our walls are down, meaning that Vox has a good shot at pinging a pike or two. And based on last turn's Voxian deployments, they could easily have a fresh veteran and three fresh regular immortals in position to strike. In addition, some immortals from last turn may have avoided injury, especially attacking injured pikes. A rushed pike this turn would give us a second healthy fortified pike and two healthy unfortified ones (assuming we pull back the forces we'd hoped to use in a deep strike) before Vox starts getting shots at MedInfs.

On the other hand, if we unload galleys in the city, we can get a couple cat shots and maybe ping one regular immortal and then take out a second with a MedInf. We can also unload in Inchoff, cross the mountain to take out a regular pike Vox has sitting on the road, and then, next turn, hit Vox from behind with whatever is left of our five vet MedInfs in that landing. (And hit them with MedInfs and WCs from Inchon as well.) So Vox could soon find the tide turned very much against them.

[Arrian]

Let's rush the pike.

We can't be too careful.

The Random Number God was angry with us this past turn. Though I hope IT will be kinder next turn, I'm not counting on it.

It never rains but it pours.

-Arrian

[nbarclay]

Note: what I said above depends on whether we consider using a worker to short-rush something else as legitimate or not.