Dark Day for Demo Gaming

[Moonbars]

Worse, the "leaking" of our dealings with Babylon to the Horde caused us to *not trust babylon* when, as is now so clear, the true slime was in the Horde.

But Hey - I guess it was all just roleplay

[Ming]

Originally posted by Moonbars
as is now so clear, the true slime was in the Horde.

I had hoped you all could discuss this in a civil fashion.
While I can truly understand that some poeple have the right to be pissed, that doesn't mean that we will allow these forums to be used for a flame war.

So keep the discussion civil... end the game, or discuss like civilized people how it might continue... but take your flaming somewhere else. Two wrongs don't make a right...

[Ljube]

Originally posted by Daddy-O
If we start screening people before allowing them into games that makes this a closed community. That is not the Apolyton that I know and love. I have felt welcomed here since my first post. I'd hate to push new people away because of a handful that abused our trust.

Nevertheless, it is needed. We cannot allow things like this to happen again because these things have the potential to ruin the game for everybody involved. Making the rank of prince a prerequisite for membership to closed forums would eliminate the problem of double logins.

For the record, this planet fellow was suspicious to me from the start. I even voiced my suspicion when he was admitted to the inter site demo game forum. The fact that planet character reacted defensively toward my accusations and also showed that he knew the term DL didn't quite dispel my distrust. Unfortunately, I was proven right. If screening and qualification per number of posts had been applied to planet we wouldn't have been in this situation.

[Daddy-O]

Fair enough. I just prefer that we continue to trust settlers and welcome them. If someone wants to cheat they will find a way around it.

Babylon & BOH have obviously had our disagreements in and out of game. It is good to see that we agree that DL cheats are uncool and not to be tolerated.

[ChrisiusMaximus]

Daddy-0 none of the BOH team is happy about this, we are all as shocked as the rest of you.

[Daddy-O]

Like I said above that's good to see.

(BTW - I like my new nic. )

[Rubychaser]

Originally posted by Aqualung71
In my opinion, either the Horde should be disqualified, or the game abandoned.

Good of you to post Mr Reload. Have a nice day.

[conmcb25]

Ming

Could you make a housecall please? We unfortunately are not getting it.

[Rubychaser]

I get it. Your team, Babylon has the save. You have decided to quit this game. That has been said in many different ways both here and in the chat the other day that you Conmcb25 were apart of. Now you need to do the Control-Q component of that decision and allow Lord Nuclear to make up his mind.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Rubychaser
I get it. Your team, Babylon has the save. You have decided to quit this game.

Could somebody please remind me which team was caught with a DL on another team...

And which team should be doing everything in their power to make things right instead of trying to deflect the issue by pointing the finger at the injured party?

Gee... I must be missing something...

[conmcb25]

Thank you

[Ljube]

Originally posted by Ming




Could somebody please remind me which team was caught with a DL on another team...

And which team should be doing everything in their power to make things right instead of trying to deflect the issue by pointing the finger at the injured party?

Gee... I must be missing something...

Ming, I object. It was one member of BOH team that was caught with a DL on another team. I had no knowledge of that and gained nothing from that, quite the opposite. I invested, or rather lost months of my time in a game that now seems to be over without a winner.

I'm for individual responsibility. James the Scot is responsible for his DL, not I and I don't want to be treated as if I'm guilty or as if I had any part in this.


To team Babylon: Either play your turn or retire. It was not the fault of BOH team that you had a DL in your midst. We don't have our private police force or internal security capable of detecting members with DLs, but we sure as hell won't admit unknowns to our forum, particularly not a settler whose first posts were made in a demo game forum. That is something I heartily recommend to your team as well.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Ljube
Ming, I object. It was one member of BOH team that was caught with a DL on another team. I had no knowledge of that and gained nothing from that, quite the opposite. I invested, or rather lost months of my time in a game that now seems to be over without a winner.

I will agree that many didn't have knowledge of the "cheat" and are not responsible. And while you personally invested much time into the game, so did many other people. The game is not over yet... but your demands to take your turn or retire is silly.
Your team, the one caught cheating, passed the turn on in the middle of discussing the cheating issue... I think many would agree that you should have held the turn until some kind of agreement could be made.

I'm for individual responsibility. James the Scot is responsible for his DL, not I and I don't want to be treated as if I'm guilty or as if I had any part in this.

You personally aren't being treated as if you are guilty.
And nobody is claiming you had a part in it. However, as a team, there are some issues that probably need to be worked out before the game could possibly continue... and your team's response to date has to been to pass the turn as if nothing has happened.

To team Babylon: Either play your turn or retire. It was not the fault of BOH team that you had a DL in your midst.

Uhhhh... it was the fault of a MEMBER of team BOH. While you personally can claim ignorance and no involvement, you can't claim that this didn't happen, and it was indeed a member of your team involved.

We don't have our private police force or internal security capable of detecting members with DLs, but we sure as hell won't admit unknowns to our forum, particularly not a settler whose first posts were made in a demo game forum. That is something I heartily recommend to your team as well.

Classic... one of your team members cheat, and you try to place the blame on those that were cheated... cute...

It's kind of funny... your team seems to want to ignore that this happened, and play on as if nothing ever happened.

Well guess what... IT did HAPPEN. A member of YOUR team Cheated. Maybe you guys should come to grips with that, and do whatever is needed to earn back the trust of the other teams before you make demands for them to continue or quit.

[ruby_maser]

Originally posted by Ljube
[...] but we sure as hell won't admit unknowns to our forum, particularly not a settler whose first posts were made in a demo game forum. That is something I heartily recommend to your team as well.

However, you will admit dialectic2003, an honorary Chieftain for life whose available post history is limited to the Civ3 - Stories forum -- a forum known to be populated by yarn-spinning fibbers, tall-tale tellers, and habitual liars alike.

He also (if his flag is any real indication) hails from Australia, a country that once served as a penal colony for the British.

Is this a trustworthy individual, I ask you? Let the McCarthyism begin!!!



[p.s. -- this is of course all in jest. I'm sure dialectic is on the up and up... multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. ]

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Ming


Maybe you guys should come to grips with that, and do whatever is needed to earn back the trust of the other teams before you make demands for them to continue or quit.

I agree with you Ming that we should all at BOH agree wrong was done

However

maybe it should be phrased as BOH for if it were my decision to make, I would say an innocent has nothing to hide and 100% cooperation should be at hand.

I dont speak for Paddy as leader of BOH, but I do speak for Grandpa Troll, this has moved way past maneuvers and into an ethics issue, of which I am a lot of things, but hold ethics very high on my list of personal goals to maintain

Ming, you have allways been fair and impartial with a very hard job to do.

Could you say what would be sufficient to put this to rest?

I ask not only as a memebr of BOH but as a member of Apolyton which I love dearly and want this situation resolved.

I ask as a person wanting resolution.

I say because many things done will bring light to many here....

I say also because I have online friendships and kindships

I say because I really enjoy playing with people here for the fun of it..

Ming

I ask you sir
This is heavy on my heart as to why on earth if ANY REMAINING QUESTIONS need be answered, why they havenet?

I cant imagine anyone on any corner of this Apolyton community not wanting to stop bickering and start resolving.

Ming, this is a terrible thing, exactly what can anyone do to put this terrible set of events behind us?

I am

Bruce K. Cronkite

A.K.A. Grandpa Troll