Israel civ

[Az]

having a picture of someone who triggered the death of nearly 3000 people, of which about 800 were jews and over 2000 were arabs (2nd intifada started when he walked over a for muslims sacred area) is to me a clear sign that you support his politics and his actions.

You know it is a sacred area to jews as well. But JEWS ARE NOT ALLOWED IN! despite it being under Israeli control, supposedly.

I had to disguise myself as a tourist to visit the temple mount. Is that fair?

[sabrewolf]

i know it's also sacred for jews. and it's a shame that they're not allowed there.

but ariel sharon with his past as a general responsible for the the slaughter of several hundred to thousand arabs (they call him something like "the butcher of xxyyzz" (can't remember exactly)) ...

it's like if bin laden would go walking around in new york. or milosevic would go to sarajevo or zagreb. there are some people who just should stay out of some places.

maybe i'm being a bit unfair. the temper (on both sides) was boiling up allready quite a while. natanjahu wasn't really a man of peace and obviously barak didn't manage to make the situation better. and the palestinian extremist organisation just needed a reason to trigger their so called freedom fighting. so it might not only be sharon's fault that people die, but he did triggered it, there's no doubt in that.

i'm sorry that this thread has come this far off topic. it cascaded up to here and i'm just trying to explain my opinion with reasons (and not like some others with discreditations).

peace?

[Ming]

ONE LAST TIME... stick to the topic and not current day events. This is an on topic forum... NOT THE OFF TOPIC FORUM where political discussion like this IS SUPPOSED TO BE.

It looks like some people want to get restricted... So don't tempt me by continuing a political discussion here.

So who wants to be restricted first... and I'll even throw in a PCR for free...

SO GET BACK ON TOPIC AND OFF POLITICS... GOT IT!

[sabrewolf]

ok, sorry ming...
most of my posts were on topic, i "sinned" just very few times...
sorry again

This thread will only end when Firaxis commits, by God...

i doubt one of the patches will have a hebrew civ inside. if it comes, then in a further expansion pack (or some kind of "game of the year" or "gold edition" or whatever).
however it would be embarrassing for them to release the same game with only 7 new civs.

so my possible scenarios:
a) no new civs in official releases (most likely)
b) 8 to 16 civs in a new release. but you still only can play with a maximum of 31 civs (unlikely, but not impossible)
c) they'll remove the hardcoded limit of 31 civs, create some own ones and get a few civs from the community. probably they could gather up to 24 new civs!!! (highly unlikely)

option c) is my favourite. it would be a good reason to buy a new computer and play a giga map (e.g. marla's world) with all 48 civs...


edit: hey, what's funny: this thread, one of the largest in the civ3-civilizations forum was by a guy who only posted twice. impressive what one of these posts acompished. DL? link: http://apolyton.net/forums/member.ph...threadid=62615

[Yahweh Sabaoth]

Originally posted by Ming
ONE LAST TIME... stick to the topic and not current day events. This is an on topic forum... NOT THE OFF TOPIC FORUM where political discussion like this IS SUPPOSED TO BE.

It looks like some people want to get restricted... So don't tempt me by continuing a political discussion here.

So who wants to be restricted first... and I'll even throw in a PCR for free...

SO GET BACK ON TOPIC AND OFF POLITICS... GOT IT!

Sorry to have contributed to any off topic talk. But can we still discuss the proposed Israeli Civ agression level?

Please don't kick us off... this thread is great...

[Ming]

If you want to talk about current events, do it in the OTF... it shouldn't be hard to find a thread on the subject

If you want to insult members of this site... take it somewhere else...

If you want to make racist comments... you will get restricted...

If you want to talk about proposed aggression levels... fine. But if this turns into a political discussion again, I'm just going to restrict ANYBODY, who in my opinion, is talking politics after this post. So be very careful, because it's a matter of MY opinion... NOT YOURS.

Good luck...

[Yahweh Sabaoth]

I'm a stickler for "official" products, so I do hope that Firaxis chooses option "c".

But I'll buy anything they put out, even it's only got 7 civs in it. I guess I'm sort of pathetic in that way...

[Yahweh Sabaoth]

Originally posted by Ming
If you want to talk about proposed aggression levels... fine. But if this turns into a political discussion again, I'm just going to restrict ANYBODY, who in my opinion, is talking politics after this post. So be very careful, because it's a matter of MY opinion... NOT YOURS.

Good luck...

Um, ok, I think I'm done posting in this section. See you guys later.

One last post: I think that David Ben Gurion should be the leader of a modern Israeli civ.

[Silpy]

Ok. I have actully remembered what this tread actully was origanaly. Personaly, I do not wish to see an Israel civ unless we were getting to the '100 Civ options' level. On a real map, Isreal would just get in the way with Egyptians, Babylonians, Arabs and Ottomans and would quickly fall to one of these. (Natural fault of the Jews desiding to settle there!) It would be a waste of an Civ slot. I rather see an Incan, Ethaopiain or Malian civ instead.

[Yahweh Sabaoth]

Originally posted by Silpy
Ok. I have actully remembered what this tread actully was origanaly. Personaly, I do not wish to see an Israel civ unless we were getting to the '100 Civ options' level. On a real map, Isreal would just get in the way with Egyptians, Babylonians, Arabs and Ottomans and would quickly fall to one of these. (Natural fault of the Jews desiding to settle there!) It would be a waste of an Civ slot. I rather see an Incan, Ethaopiain or Malian civ instead.

That's only if you favor keeping the "five civilization blocs" as they are...

[ThePlagueRat]

In Ctp you can play them... Why not a Libanese civ too?


IMO, there should be many many more civs in civ3.
They did not do their homework at Firaxis.

[Az]

i know it's also sacred for jews. and it's a shame that they're not allowed there.

It's a shame? just imagine what the uproar would be if muslims wouldn't be allowed there!

but ariel sharon with his past as a general responsible for the the slaughter of several hundred to thousand arabs (they call him something like "the butcher of xxyyzz" (can't remember exactly)) ...

You probably are thinking Sabra and Shatila. There is a trial in Belgium about that one.

Quite funny that they have pursuited no legal action whatsoever against the actual commander of the massacre, a lebanonese christian, that was killed a while ago. He was a minister in the lebanonese government. Did anyone pursue him? did anyone try to put him on trial?

The claim that Ariel Sharon personally knew about a massacre that was committed by around a hundred or so troops max, considering the fact that around a thousand people were killed. ( an infantry company ), while he was the minister of Defence commanding tens of thousands of soldiers is hillarious, even if the soldiers were Israeli. But they weren't Israeli, they were a lebanese faction with which Israel was allied.

Of course, facts don't matter, and arabs still hate Sharon. Remember "The Jenin Massacre", where Israeli soldiers supposedly massacred hundreds of palestinian civilians? remember how the UN said it was not true? I wonder how many people believe that in the arab world. After all, saying "we're always right" is the easiest and the most natural thing to do.

[sabrewolf]

azazel,
i was tempted to answer, but then i remembered, that ming has already warned us about taking this thread OT. don't like the idea of a PCR

on-topic: is anyone doing or has anyone already created a good middle east or israel scenario? it could be an interesting game.

[Yahweh Sabaoth]

Oy vey, someone bring this thread to an end. If we want to argue about fiction and fact, and the only sides being espoused are "everything Israel does is right" and "everything Israel does is wrong," then this thread is really not going to contribute to anything.

I normally don't like blanket statements, especially as used by politicians, and particularly over Israel, but come on people: both sides are to blame.

Let's get back to Civ.

[ThePlagueRat]

Originally posted by sabrewolf
don't like the idea of a PCR

Hi, I dunno what PCR means really.
Is it something bad?


Btw, I will stay on-topic. In the Free-Civ for Linux you can also play the Israelis. There are many more civs to choose between than in the official Civs. But free-civ has no cool UU though.