Israel civ

[mazzz]

i have a "israel" has never fought a super power

HA i mean come one if the US invaded "israel" "israel" would be horribely defated

[Panag]

Originally posted by mazzz
i have a "israel" has never fought a super power

HA i mean come one if the US invaded "israel" "israel" would be horribely defated

hi ,

sure , thats what people sayed when the US went into vietnam , .....

have a nice day

[mazzz]

ok whatever just tell me ONE superpower israel fought,! stop dodgeding the ?

[Agathon]

Originally posted by panag

the biggest point of having them join the game would de to creat scenarios , scenarios you cant make without them , .... this way we can all fight on the side we want and see for ourself what we want , ....

I don't have any problem with having scenarios based on the post war situation in the Middle East. The Israelis would have to be included in any such scenario by definition. I believe you can download such scenarios for Civ II. Perhaps someone will make one for Civ III.

However, I stand by not introducing countless more civilisations into the game, unless the game is to be called "Tribe" rather than "Civilisation".

sure , thats what people sayed when the US went into vietnam , .....

I don't think the Vietnamese style of guerilla warfare would work very well in Israel due to the terrain... and to my knowledge the US position was to defend the fiction of South Vietnam against the north - rather than to invade it.

I very much doubt that Israel could survive a direct invasion by any of the armies I labelled. After all the Arabs who are basically useless nearly had you in the Yom Kippur War, did they not?

[Edan]

Originally posted by Agathon


As for the rest, you are quite clearly being absurd. Let's see - we shall stick up Israel against the forces of the US, Russia, or China shall we? And you still say they would win.

Huh? I never said that! :P

You stated that Israel couldn't survive without the US, I showed you that they survived quite well for 20 years without US help. That's all I stated.

(although Russia was heavily involved in the Six day war and the Yom Kippur war, although Israel didn't fight the full Russian might.)

[snip stuff I didn't post]

(I'm kinda ammused you consider Russia, China, England and France superpowers. And who can't beat France?

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Edan

Huh? I never said that! :P

You stated that Israel couldn't survive without the US, I showed you that they survived quite well for 20 years without US help. That's all I stated.

I thought I was quite clear. I meant that if the US completely withdrew their support now (and I'd say if it had done in the last 20 years), Israel would be a goner. Things have changed since the 60s. For one the whole mideast region is more strategically important than it ever was. In recent years the US veto has been the only effective prevention against sanctions of various sorts being applied to Israel over the Palestinian issue (they are really despised that much). I don't think they would last long if an embargo similar to that used against Iraq was imposed. An economically weakened Israel wouldn't have the cash to maintain its military, especially if the billions in US aid was removed.

(I'm kinda ammused you consider Russia, China, England and France superpowers. And who can't beat France?

I'd bet on them - they all have significant nuclear and conventional arsenals. They have bigger economies and military forces. We aren't talking about a few Arab conscripts here.

[Edan]

Originally posted by Agathon
I thought I was quite clear. I meant that if the US completely withdrew their support now (and I'd say if it had done in the last 20 years), Israel would be a goner.

Even if that were the case (and I'm doubtful that the UN would do anything, unless the US was the one that proposed, and strongly backed, an attack on Israel) Israel could always sell weapon technology to, say, China, and get them to veto any UN resolutions.... I'm sure China would be more than willing.

[Gunnar Thor]

Originally posted by Kingof the Apes

pff, it's the French's fault
/*back on topic*/
True, the army of Isreal is not huge, but it has prevailed over several other countries that are both larger and have more personnel. (I am not sure, but I believe that Isreal has been undefeated in all of it's wars.) But military accomplishments are not the most significant part of this civilization.

Almost. The war with Lebanon is considered lost, at least in the history class I took last year. But they have prevailed over many times as numerous forces on several occations.

Originally posted by Kingof the Apes GhengisFarb, I'm looking forward to your leaderhead.

Me too.

I'd like an Israeli/Hebrew civ, for the very simple reason that I liked playing them in CtP and I find their history interesting.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Edan


Even if that were the case (and I'm doubtful that the UN would do anything, unless the US was the one that proposed, and strongly backed, an attack on Israel) Israel could always sell weapon technology to, say, China, and get them to veto any UN resolutions.... I'm sure China would be more than willing.

This is, of course, a possibility; but I don't think anyone would dispute that Israel without US backing would be in a much weaker position. As for China - the Arabs have oil, which is something that China will need a lot of in years to come in order to enact policy decisions which have been made.

[Edan]

but I don't think anyone would dispute that Israel without US backing would be in a much weaker position.

Certainly true.

[High_Lord]

I retract my statement that Sharon is a fatty. It was just mean thing to say and I am sorry.

I am American and we the people love Israel

[Panag]

Originally posted by High_Lord
I retract my statement that Sharon is a fatty. It was just mean thing to say and I am sorry.

I am American and we the people love Israel

hi ,

, okay , keep talking , .....




have a nice day

[XarXo]

Sharon is a fatty older version of Hitler. He is not hebrew, is just another assassin. Sorry if somebody dislike my opinion.

BTW: Arafat is not quite different of Sharon...

[Az]

Sharon is a fatty older version of Hitler. He is not hebrew, is just another assassin. Sorry if somebody dislike my opinion.

say, where are you from, so I could flame-troll the **** out of your country, just like you did ?

[Eli]

They aren't even in the top five mate. I agree that the Israelis have an excellent military - in fact I would say that they are arguably the best; but there just aren't enough of them to withstand a real superpower. Do you honestly think that the IDF could whip full might of the United States military machine, or the Russians, or the Chinese, or even the British or the French? You're kidding, right?

In 1973 the number of soldiers, tanks and other military equipment directed against Israel was the size of the entire NATO military in Western Europe.

The soldiers were Arabs though, so there were serious quality wise differences.

Also, dont forget that Israel's nuclear arsenal is bigger than the British one and close to the French.