Stop the America-bashing!

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by sachmo71
WONDERWOMAN? If she were dressed like wonderwoman, she would be MUCH hotter! Blue spandex daisy dukes (another American invention!) with red leather knee boots. And a "truth lasso." She was invented by an American! Whoo hoo!

Reminds me of a joke, involving the Invisible Man, Wonderwoman and Superman.

[alskdj80]

Well said, dexters, I entirely agree with you, .

Hey there's an idea! I won't bash your homeland, if you'll quit bashing mine!

Actually, I don't think people are purposely bashing your homeland... just those arrogant people's homeland, which, happens to be the same land. I wouldn't bash anyone's homeland unless I had a reason to. Sometimes, I find that I have split feelings about a country just because I know two people, a friend and an annoying jerk. Human nature, I guess?

Aand the telephon was invented by a french guy don´t now his name.

Are you sure? I thought the telephone was invented by a Canadian... Alexander Graham Bell. Maybe I'm wrong, not really important.

Oh! and there is another thing invented by Americans (I think??)... silicon in Hollywood... all this talk about Britney Spears got that into my mind, hehe, sorry.

Reminds me of a joke, involving the Invisible Man, Wonderwoman and Superman.

Lol, ewww... that's not a joke for the faint hearted... I remember wincing when I first heard that one, and felt sorry for Invisible Man, lol... I guess invisibility has its disadvantages...

And yeah, you're right, ntyatecafe, it is kind of lame to be discussing whether Americans should be in the game. Of course they should! Most of the people buying the games are American, first of all, and that's what Firaxis cares about. It doesn't really matter whether they are legit as a civ or not. It's a question of money, and no entrepreneur in their right minds would turn down money. Besides, if we keep questioning the definition of a civilization, you'll probably find that in the end, there's only one civ... "humans". Or, if we were to indulge ourselves and loosen the definition, we'd find, "yellow", "white", "black", "red" (and red is pushing it too). Not a very interesting game then, is it?

[dexters]

Originally posted by alskdj80
Well said, dexters, I entirely agree with you, .

I agree with you too. oh wait. let me read what you're going to be saying...

Actually, I don't think people are purposely bashing your homeland... just those arrogant people's homeland, which, happens to be the same land. I wouldn't bash anyone's homeland unless I had a reason to. Sometimes, I find that I have split feelings about a country just because I know two people, a friend and an annoying jerk. Human nature, I guess?

Well, a little bit of nationalism, of identity, doesn't hurt anybody. It is all part of being a good citizen. And I applaud our friends over the pond for showing that they love their country.

But Nationalism is a Genie, when unleashed, it can bring destruction and death. And out of everyone, I would think our European friends would know this. overzealous Nationalism had been one of the central reasons for two world wars fought on European soil.

Are you sure? I thought the telephone was invented by a Canadian... Alexander Graham Bell. Maybe I'm wrong, not really important.

Graham Bell, a Canadian, invented the telephone, but he had a rival, I believe his last name was Gray, but I'm not sure if he is swedish. I believe he was an American. Most books I've read seem to infer both invented it at roughly the same time. Bell just won by filing the patents first.

[Dauphin]

Graham Bell, a Canadian

Wasn't he a Scottish emigrant?

[Ted Striker]

Per Big Crunch's Request:

[g_storrow]

I have enjoyed the argument but I agree that obviuosly not all Americans are arrogant but when you get a little criticism ( which was very silly about USA not being in the game: which I imagine was a wind up) you then go on to say we invented all this so we are great!
So much depends who wrote what you read. Where obviously in Canada Graham Bell invented the telephone but in Britain I have always heard he was Scottish.
Moving back to inventions, I heard around 70% of the world patents were recorded in the UK but more are develpoed in USA becasue they are the largest 1st world country therefore the most money to develop these ideas.
Saying how all America is made up of other cultures so is a lot of other countries as most have been invaded by another country all over it's history apart from maybet he Inuits as no-one wants to live in North Pole.

[siredgar]

LOL, Ted! Great pic! It's even autographed!

Anyhow, Mercury, I want to ask you if Americans are so new to your people (Ukrainians, I assume), then how would your people be like to the Chinese or Egyptians? Their civilizations are several times older than yours.

Regardless, I wonder how many game turns the Romans have in Civ III (when you count their years in existence in real history) compared to the Americans. This could be a very interesting calculation.

[ntyatecafe]

Regardless, I wonder how many game turns the Romans have in Civ III (when you count their years in existence in real history) compared to the Americans. This could be a very interesting calculation.

How many years were the Romans around? (remeber I have that years/turns chart)

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
Per Big Crunch's Request:

If you don't mind, can you find a stunner who is sporting the English flag?

In fact can you show me an example of any other good looking women sporting a non-USA-flag outfit, other than at an International Sports event. e.g Brazilian girls at the World Cup doesn't count.

[ntyatecafe]

"To each their own..."

If you don't mind, can you find a stunner who is sporting the English flag?

The only thing better than a beautiful woman is a beautiful woman wearing your country's flag...

[Ted Striker]

I'll see what I can find Big Crunch.

[alskdj80]

Yeah, it would be interesting to compare Rome to the other civs... the civs mentioned before in the comparison chart all exist today (except Egypt, because it really isn't the same civ as before). That doesn't give a very interesting comparison because the ones that existed first must have more turns as well.

All I know is that the legend of Romulus and Remus was dated at 753 BC. But after that, I think they were ruled by foreign leaders... it wasn't until 509 BC that they formed the Roman Republic. Problem is, when did Rome start? The legendary foundation? The Republic? Or the start of the Roman Empire? I think I'm leaning towards the 753 BC date. And about the fall, I think the Eastern Empire fell in 476 AD. How many years is that?

[Nathan]

Yes, Alexander Graham Bell was Scottish. He moved to Canada and then the US.

Nathan

[siredgar]

PERIOD----------------YRS/TRN------TURNS
4000 BC - 2750 BC---------50------------25
2750 BC - 1750 BC---------40------------25
1750 BC - 750 BC-----------25-----------40
750 BC - 250 AD------------20------------50
250 AD - 1250 AD----------10-----------100
1250 AD - 1750 AD---------5------------100
1750 AD - 1950 AD---------2------------100
1950 AD - 2050 AD---------1------------100

Well, alskdj80, if we use your dates, then Rome (753BC-476AD)would have:

753BC - 750BC = 3 years / 25 = n/a turns
751BC - 250AD = 999 years / 20 = about 50 turns
251AD - 476AD = 225 years / 10 = 22.5 turns

That's only about 73 turns!

Interesting, hmmm?

[alskdj80]

lol, I didn't expect that Rome was so insignificant in Civ turns. Strange. What about Egypt? Does anyone know when ancient Egypt came to an end? I'm guessing that they have less total turns than most of the compared civs.

Wow, it really seems as if a civ that existed recently (or survived throughout history) is much more significant in Civ than a civ that existed earlier in history, no matter how long.