Stop the America-bashing!

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph
Without wanting to offend Serb, but I have the same opinion. It took place especially in the first 2 years of the German-Soviet war. Tanks and planes still weren't available in a sufficient number, and conscript armies with 3 inf divisions of 10000 soldiers each, with 2 regiments of artillery (as written by Zhukov, for comparison German divisions had 20-25000) were quickly pumped out.

This is really only a partial picture though- in the run up to the Red Army purges, Soviet tank design and theory were ahead of the field- thanks mainly to the likes of Tukachevsky paying great attention to the theories espoused by Fuller and Liddell Hart. In an era when French military thinking (save for the prescient De Gaulle) was tied to linear defence and ignored the lessons of Cambrai and Amiens, Tukachevsky and others knew the value of the shock tank attack, supported by air and followed up by infantry. Naturally his successors wanted to distance themselves from the tainted thinking associated with the dead men, so inevitably Soviet military thinking, tank design, production and maintenance stagnated in the purges' aftermath.

http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m0293/462_115/62980214/p1/article.jhtml

http://military.virtualave.net/

[molly bloom]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by Viper2263


Self propelled flight was the key with the wright brothers, if they weren't so familiar with bikes and aluminum (of which they built their 16?hp engine) and their techniques of control (including statically unstable aircraft, the key component in fighters, and wing warping). All of these components added together are how the Wright brothers made powered flight possible...they didn't just take others ideas...they made the whole idea possible...no one else had their aircraft manuvering experiance. Guidance and control is their contribution. Up until their advent of the airplane, gliders were controlled by shifting weight (ungainly).

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Intriguingly enough, the first powered flight took place in 1890- when a Frenchman named Clement Ader built and flew a steam powered aircraft that flew for 165 feet, but as you indicate, steering was the problem- he could not effectively control its flight. It would however, be wrong not to mention the theories and designs of Otto Lillienthal, which were closely followed by the Wrights.

http://www.aopa.ch/xeole.htm

[siredgar]

Originally posted by Arrian
The plan was to wipe out (or at least drive out) the "inferior" Slavs and replace them with German settlers. He also had this idea that they would leave the eastern part of Russia as a sort of "frontier" zone, and send future generations of German youth out there to do battle with the "savages", and thus keep the knife blade keen, so-to-speak. Psychotic, huh?

-Arrian

Do you have any good Web links or books on this matter? I'd like to read more about it in detail.

[Giovanni August]

I just want to say mine about Italy in WW2

Italy was not ready to join a war at that time!
Our Army was simply too much weaker compared to the huge German Army!
Most of the Italians already didn't like Mussolini and his blackshirt, because Mussolini wasn't really elected but was appointed by the King to create a government because of a situation of Anarchy ruling into Italy! The King thought that a person like Mussolini was the perfect guy!
In his first years of government he outlawed every oppositing party and called himself "Il Duce"!!!
Later on Italy became much more into the inphluence of Germany.
When Italy joined the war most of the soldier were more drafties that didn't support the Fascist government! And the army was not big and technologically strong enough!
That's why Italy "sucked" during that war! The only place we were able to conquer by ourself was the island of Rhodes! But it was more because the Rhodinian (or whatever they are called) prefered to be under Italy rather than under Turkey, and supported our army! And a piece of France after that Germany already took over in Paris......
Italy was more like a weight for Germany! And soon in the war (3 Sept 1943) Italy already surrend to the Allies army (mostly Scottish)! After that Italy was split in the Repubblic of Salo` (a puppet state in the north under the German control) and the allied occupied territory (the South)!
And the word "Italy" was meaning more a battlefield instead of a country!
The dream of Mussolini was the "mare nostrum" or better, coquer all the mediteraneum to create a modern Roman Empire!

Saluti

[Serb]

Originally posted by molly bloom



This is really only a partial picture though- in the run up to the Red Army purges, Soviet tank design and theory were ahead of the field- thanks mainly to the likes of Tukachevsky paying great attention to the theories espoused by Fuller and Liddell Hart. In an era when French military thinking (save for the prescient De Gaulle) was tied to linear defence and ignored the lessons of Cambrai and Amiens, Tukachevsky and others knew the value of the shock tank attack, supported by air and followed up by infantry. Naturally his successors wanted to distance themselves from the tainted thinking associated with the dead men, so inevitably Soviet military thinking, tank design, production and maintenance stagnated in the purges' aftermath.

You are absolutely correct!!!
It's too sad that we lost so many talanted generals likeTukachevsky during Stalins purges.

[Serb]

Originally posted by datakodin
Serb, calm down. The USA was - and is - a hostile nation for us for many years. It would be strange to expect they would study our history in a proper way. And it is very strange to explain in CivIII's forum that Americains are bad guys. They are not good and not bad. Just they are not friends of us. Now what?

BTW, Russians are also not familiar with the real history of our neighbours. Can you tell something about Iranians, their culture, their art and their science?

Privet zemliak.

Of course every men know the history of it's own country better than the history of any other country. Agreed. I would not expect that Americans know our history very good. It would be silly if I was thinked so. BUT World War 2 it is not OUR history, it is WORLD's history. Iwas angry because many of our American frends like to shout- "we saved your asses". This is absolutely unacceptable for me. I don't like when someone trying to rewrite the World's history.

P.S. Nu spasibo tebe za Iran, ya tut ponimaesh neravnyi boi vedu, a ty...
Slushai, u menya pravda takoi hreenovyi angliiskii? Mozhet mne luchshe svalit otsuda i ne pozoritsya nafig?

[Serb]

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The plan was to wipe out (or at least drive out) the "inferior" Slavs and replace them with German settlers. He also had this idea that they would leave the eastern part of Russia as a sort of "frontier" zone, and send future generations of German youth out there to do battle with the "savages", and thus keep the knife blade keen, so-to-speak. Psychotic, huh?

-Arrian

Yes a little crazy idea, as part of this plan he wanted to flood Moscow and Leningrad. But after Hitler's army atrocities done on occupied territory I don't think that his plan was a joke.

[Harovan]

Originally posted by Serb
Yes a little crazy idea, as part of this plan he wanted to flood Moscow and Leningrad. But after Hitler's army atrocities done on occupied territory I don't think that his plan was a joke.

As for flooding Moscow and Leningrad, well, Hitler was a psycho, he also wanted to create a 140,000 ton battleship and a 170 ton tank with the codename "Mouse" and could not turn it into reality though.

What concerns his plan to wipe out the Slavs, that was no joke but reality. According to his doctrine, Slavs weren't humans.

[Harovan]

Originally posted by Serb P.S. Nu spasibo tebe za Iran, ya tut ponimaesh neravnyi boi vedu, a ty...
Slushai, u menya pravda takoi hreenovyi angliiskii? Mozhet mne luchshe svalit otsuda i ne pozoritsya nafig?

I tried to be your ally, but you've made it not easy. Your English is sufficient for Apolyton, don't let Yin put you down, remember, he's God .

[MrWhereItsAt]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph


I tried to be your ally, but you've made it not easy. Your English is sufficient for Apolyton, don't let Yin put you down, remember, he's God .

No, I thought it was Lib who was God, and that yin was just an essential part of the Universe. Impressive to see how much Serb changed the pace of this thread, innit?

[Harovan]

I agree with Lib and Yin both being Gods , I guess we have discovered "Polytheism".

As for Serb and the pace of this thread... yes, but that all is hopelessly off-topic and I really wonder why this thread hasn't been closed long ago by a moderator. It would be really time to bury it.

[Serb]

Did I miss something? I’ve always suspected that some people consider itself as something more than normal human being, but to be a God? If I’ve only known that he is God, I’ve never dare to speak with him. Actually I’m in panic. What he intend to do with me, shoot me with lighting or something like this?
Yin you have to forgive me, datakodin already told you that we are uneducated people we know very little about other’s people religions.

P.S. hm… Is anyone knowing how to survive wrath of the God?


P.S.S. Sir Ralph as my Ally could you help me, could you hide me or something? Please, I am too young to die.

[jasev]

Originally posted by Serb
P.S. hm… Is anyone knowing how to survive wrath of the God?

There is a way: turn into atheism and deny the existence of God. Something that doesn't exist can't hurt you.

[Harovan]

Originally posted by Serb
P.S.S. Sir Ralph as my Ally could you help me, could you hide me or something? Please, I am too young to die.

Not a chance, mate. You're toast, there's nothing to do. The lightning will strike you whereever you are.

[Serb]

Is he so powerful?
How stupid I was when anger a living God. I don’t want to be a toast. Maybe everything will be fine, perhaps he forget about me?
Ooops, looks like a storm is coming.
Listen, maybe I can bribe him somehow, a little sacrifice or something? Do you know how to worship him properly?
Ooops, I think I’ve heard a thunder.
Sir Ralph, can you convince him that I am not so bad or that I am great fan of his, just do something PLEASE…
Ooops… That lighting was close.

Somebody stop this maniac!!!! I don’t know how much longer I can dodge those lightings. Yang!!! Yang were are you? Help!!!