Stop the America-bashing!

[ntyatecafe]

Originally posted by Thrawn05
I find it funny how we continue to turn to the Egyptians when comparing other civs. It should be pointed out that Egypt AS A CULTURE OF ITS OWN ended when the Roman Empire fell, and the Muslim raiders took control of it.

I believe that everyone is using Egypt as the comparison point, because it is believed to be the earliest civilization.

[siredgar]

Originally posted by Thrawn05
I find it funny how we continue to turn to the Egyptians when comparing other civs. It should be pointed out that Egypt AS A CULTURE OF ITS OWN ended when the Roman Empire fell, and the Muslim raiders took control of it.

Good point! Now, how many years is that? Hehe.

[siredgar]

And what were Enroth's great inventions? Hmmm?



Ribbanah, you always seem to dig up these great pre-inventions. However, I have to question some of them as the real precursors to widely recognized "firsts".

[Dauphin]

"...and we stood on the shoulders of giants to thus achieve..."

Paraphrased, that is what Newton said.

It was an acceptance of the work acheived by his predecessors, however it was also a personal swipe at a fellow gifted "scientist" who was particularly short. Can't remember who though, Leibnitz?

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Big Crunch

"...and we stood on the shoulders of giants to thus achieve..."

Paraphrased, that is what Newton said.

It was an acceptance of the work acheived by his predecessors, however it was also a personal swipe at a fellow gifted "scientist" who was particularly short. Can't remember who though, Leibnitz?

Try Robert Hooke:

https://www.mathpages.com/rr/s8-02/8-02.htm

[aaglo]

Originally posted by Beckdawg
... Another thing you guys are leaving out is the fact that the US is where democracy became a popular government...

Hehee, should we thank US or bash them more for this

[Mercury]

Yeh! Bash America.

To my mind americans isn't a civilization. BECAUSE:
At first it was a couple of colonies and later they became independent and became as U.S.A. 300 as waas said for history is like 3 hours to us. So if a day has 24 hours, what are the 3?
Also as nation they formed later. And what nation???
In colonies was englishmen, and another nationalities. So?
The true so called "americans" are indians such as Sioux.
Why now America is so powerful. Because a lot of people such as former englishmen, french,chinese and others accumulated their minds to create such gegemony. But american culture is transformed from a group of another cultures, and became "american".
Banish!!!

[ntyatecafe]

Re: Yeh! Bash America.

Originally posted by Mercury
To my mind americans isn't a civilization. BECAUSE:
At first it was a couple of colonies and later they became independent and became as U.S.A. 300 as waas said for history is like 3 hours to us. So if a day has 24 hours, what are the 3?
Also as nation they formed later. And what nation???
In colonies was englishmen, and another nationalities. So?
The true so called "americans" are indians such as Sioux.
Why now America is so powerful. Because a lot of people such as former englishmen, french,chinese and others accumulated their minds to create such gegemony. But american culture is transformed from a group of another cultures, and became "american".
Banish!!!

Let me re-iterate a point I made earlier. If you want the game to go accuratly by history, every civilization in the game would have consequences...even Russia (assuming that it represents the entire [former] USSR would be reduced to a fraction of its power due to the coup and the formation of the CIS. I think we've already well established that a game that went accurately by history wouldn't be much fun.

One more point I need to make: What is the purpose to these discussions? Are we really that arrogant? I mean, if we decide that America shouldn't be in the game, what's going to happen? Do any of you really expect FireAxis to waste an obsurd amount of money by recalling the game, spending a lot of time removing America from it, then re-releasing it? Not to mention compensating those who had already bought the game! Is this likely? No. Is this feasible? No. Is this an assinine asumption? YES!

Bottom line: If you don't want America in the game, get your thumb out of you @$$, and edit it out. Quit whining about it, and quit wasting our time! This is pretty much a dead topic, so I'd suggest everyone drop it, and stop yapping at your betters!

[dexters]

[dexters]

It's been said before, but A TRUE game of Civilization will start with a band of Nomads with no particular nationality or culture and you would have full control in steering it into whatever you like.

As for the Americans being a Civilization, the Chinese would argue most of Europe does not deserve to be in the game as for most of China's 4000 long years of history, Europe was a collection of barbarian huts.

I'm sure the Egyptians would say the same thing.

To our Euro friends, don't be so smug about your historical age, as an old Chinese proverb goes, there will always be a mountain higher than the last, and there are plenty of Civilizations out there, some extinct , some existing in different configurations and some still intact (China) that predates your country by millenias more. And if we take the argument to its logical conclusion, your own country shouldn't be in the game as well.

Oh, but wait, that's American nationalism not the result of sloppy reasoning from your own biases..

[Ted Striker]

USA!

[ntyatecafe]

To our Euro friends, don't be so smug about your historical age, as an old Chinese proverb goes, there will always be a mountain higher than the last, and there are plenty of Civilizations out there, some extinct , some existing in different configurations and some still intact (China) that predates your country by millenias more. And if we take the argument to its logical conclusion, your own country shouldn't be in the game as well.

HOORAH Dexters!!! I'd like to have said that, but others would have claimed it as another display of evil American arrogance, and talk of how the dastardly Americans were bashing other people's precious homelands!

Hey there's an idea! I won't bash your homeland, if you'll quit bashing mine!


(American by birth...Georgian by the grace of God!)

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
USA!

Very good Ted.

Do Americans get "turned on" by their national flag?

(Granted she looks good, but why dress up like Wonderwoman?)

[knott]

Originally posted by Sencho
An incomplete list of American contributions to science and industry for the curious:

Air Conditioning
Airplane
Aluminum manufacture
Animation (specifically sound cartoons)
Binary circuits
Car radio (which also launched Motorola)
Cardiac pacemaker
Computer memory device (now called RAM)
Cyclotron
DNA Replication
Elevator
Fiber optics
Gasoline, manufacture
The Internet
Ironclads (The Monitor)
Kevlar
The laser
Linear polymerization
Neoprene
Nylon
Penicillin and its mass production
Petroleum cracking
Plow, steel
The semiconductor
Teflon
The telephone

Taken from here

Well monitor was bulit by John Ericsson from Motala Sverige
Aand the telephon was invented by a french guy don´t now his name.

[sachmo71]

WONDERWOMAN? If she were dressed like wonderwoman, she would be MUCH hotter! Blue spandex daisy dukes (another American invention!) with red leather knee boots. And a "truth lasso." She was invented by an American! Whoo hoo!