Expansion Pack Civs Explained: Portuguese

[Ecowiz Returns]

Jay Kay's suggestion looks fine by me too.

Zealot, I believe it is your call.

Question: Should we open this question to another thread, with a poll, so that everybody may vote?

If so, Zealot could prepare an explanation about the Knights of The Order of Christ (or the Post-Templar Knights, or the Knighs Former Known as The Templars... ).

Jay Kay, can you prepare the Explanation about the Nau?

About the Bandeirantes - It's a nice idea, carioca, but i have a feeling it would put the Golden Age, again, after the time it should be, ie, the end of the Medieval Age. But, maybe in Civ it is not the case.

What do you think: should it also enter the poll?

Maybe we can mature the idea a little bit: for instance, everybody posts here the description of the UU (carioca, you could do the Bandeirantes), refering the historical context, and the strategic implications, the required techs and resources...; then we put them is a new thread.
What do you think?

[Zealot]

I've been watching the Civilopedia entry for the galleon, and made a little research about the portuguese ships too.

My oppinion is that the Nau is like a galleon, but it was used by the Portuguese before other European countries. But to be honest, I think that by the time Brazil was discovered, Magnetism (or what is described in the Civilopedia as such) had already been "discovered".

In short, the Portuguese had better caravels and galleons than others for - I think I can say - a couple of centuries.
Now, to make just a UU, and since the Nau is more useful than a caravel, we have to compare the Nau with the galleon in Civ 3.

So I propose that the Nau should be the Portuguese UU when Navigation is discovered, doesn't get lost (since they discovered the Azores around 1420, and that's pretty ocean tiles around those islands ), isn't replaced by the galleon, but has the same price as the galleon (so that one can still build a caravel, which is cheaper, since it was also used by the Portuguese), AND has +1 movement AND +1 transportation capacity than the galleon. This bonus is extremely necessary to reflect the large number of colonies founded in both Western and Eastern Africa, India, China, Indonesia and Brazil, in such a short amount of time.


Case closed.
I don't have time to make a research for the knights. Read the url I posted about them in page 2 (I think) on this thread.
Now, whose call is it now?

[Ecowiz Returns]

I believe it is our call now.

What you wrote makes perfect sense to me.

However, what you are proposing is a UU like the Dutch's, only available earlier to the Portuguese.

Come to think of it, that also makes perfect sense to me!

The only thing I didn't understood was this:
- Would you prefer such a unit over the "Templars"?
or
- Are we keeping the idea of a poll?

Back to you, Zealot.

[Zealot]

Originally posted by Ecowiz Returns
The only thing I didn't understood was this:
- Would you prefer such a unit over the "Templars"?
or
- Are we keeping the idea of a poll?

Gee, I'm feeling like the boss around here!
I don't have enough time to research anything. But I don't think we need to make a poll.

About the Dutch UU, a few days ago, I read that they were still discussing how should the unit be like. So, if they haven't reached a common oppinion, we'll just post this on the thread of the extra-pack civs with our Nau before they do!

Now go find out how the Dutch are doing! I'm ordering you!

[JayKay]

Originally posted by Zealot
...AND has +1 movement AND +1 transportation capacity than the galleon.

Aldo i do agree with your historical documentation, i must say i totally disagree with your proposal to the Nau characteristics, since +1 movement than the galleon would make the Nau faster than the Ironclad (not likely) and with the same speed as the Destroyer/Battleship/AEGIS (totally unlikely)!

I think my first proposal to make the Nau a cheaper Galleon would be more balanced and (perhaps) accurante!
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Portugal
Nation of: Magellan's (from Magellan's Expedition);
Vasco da Gama (Discoverer of the Maritime path to India);
and Pedro Álvares Cabral (Discoverer of Brazil in 1500)

[Zealot]

Originally posted by JayKay
Aldo i do agree with your historical documentation, i must say i totally disagree with your proposal to the Nau characteristics, since +1 movement than the galleon would make the Nau faster than the Ironclad (not likely) and with the same speed as the Destroyer/Battleship/AEGIS (totally unlikely)!

I think my first proposal to make the Nau a cheaper Galleon would be more balanced and (perhaps) accurante!

Ok, JayKay, i'll have to go your way on this subject.
I won't say anything else, since I already had written a post about it, but I managed to make it vanish...

[JayKay]

Originally posted by Zealot


Ok, JayKay, i'll have to go your way on this subject.
I won't say anything else, since I already had written a post about it, but I managed to make it vanish...

Anyway, i would like to know more about those "Templars"!
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Portugal
Nation of: Magellan's (from Magellan's Expedition);
Vasco da Gama (Discoverer of the Maritime path to India);
and Pedro Álvares Cabral (Discoverer of Brazil in 1500)

[Ecowiz Returns]

Where are the Portuguese?







Hey guys! Where are you?

Zealot, have you conceded on the Caravel?

No more Portuguese on Apolyton?

Let's get back to business!!!

I tried to find pictures of D. João II in the Internet but they're all diferent and some are really ugly.

I think I've saved them at home. I'll see if I can find them to show you.

Any news on the Templars?
Do you think we should join more cities to the Portuguese list? Some Civs have a huge lot of them!

[Zealot]

Whatever you want, guys!

Just give some values to the Nao, say in wich tech you can have it, and how much it costs.

Whatever.

Civ 3 is dead. Long live Civ 3.

[Ecowiz Returns]

Originally posted by Zealot
Just give some values to the Nao, say in wich tech you can have it, and how much it costs.

Let's see...

Whe could have something like this:

Unit: Nau (we all prefer in Portuguese, don't we?)
Triger Tech: Navigation (as Zealot proposed)

"Specs":

Originally posted by JayKay

Attack: 1
Defense: 2
Moves: 4 (was 3)
Cost: 40
Transport Capacity: 4 (was 3)
Obs: No Danger of sinking (was Danger of sinking in ocean squares)

Is it OK?

Originally posted by Zealot

Whatever.

Civ 3 is dead. Long live Civ 3.

Did you gave up on Civ 3, Zealot?

OT: I've been enjoying a "Diablo" experience these last days, but I'm thinking of giving a go on your ToT Succession Game, Zealot. See you, there.

[Ecowiz Returns]

Images of D. João II

Take a look!

[Zealot]

I prefer the first and fourth pictures.

[Ecowiz Returns]

I believe the 4th is the best known.

But in that picture he seems kinda sick (great for defeat though; which is quite useless because the Portuguese will never lose )

The 1st is my prefered.

[Ecowiz Returns]

What happened to Jay Kay?

Come to think about it, what happened to Portuguese players?

I only know three of you: Zealot, Jay Kay and Silvagem, but still the most frequent is Zealot.

I would like to show the other guys the Portuguese civ is alive, but...

Keeping the hope, though.

How about presenting D.João II number 4 in the faces thread?

[Zealot]

Sure, go ahead and post them there!


Jaykay is on exam "season" (or student season, kind of like duck season, but the teachers are the hunters and the students are caught, not with led, but with flunks).

But I'll send him a mail telling that you were worried about him!
Heck, this is such a "special moment" that I might even call him just to say that!