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  • Expansion Pack Civ explained: Celts

    I personally would rather have a real nation like Scotland or Ireland represent the Celts but people have voted over wellingly for the inclusion of a more broadly defined Celtic civ. So without further ado here is the first proposal for a Celtic civ.

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    * The Celts *
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    Names: Celtic Empire, Celts, Celtic
    Time Period: 500B.C. and 200 A.D. (though states such as Scotland & Ireland survive to this day)
    Leader: King Arthorius (Arthur)
    Unique units: Woad Warrior; a swordsman that has a +1 to movement
    CSAs: Commercial and either Militerist or Religious.

    Historical Significance: A widely spread cultural group that dominated Europe from 500B.C. to 200A.D.; Celtic artifacts have been found in Asia Minor and as far away as the Tarim basin, Xinjiang provience, China.

    Description:
    CELTS:- An ancient people who dominated much of Western , Central , Eastern Europe and Asia Minor in the 1st millennium bc, giving their language, customs, and religion to the other peoples of that area.
    History:- The earliest found archaeological evidence associated with the Celts places them in what is now France and western Germany in the late Bronze Age around 1200 bc. In the early Iron Age, they are associated with the Halstatt culture (8th-6th cent. bc) named for an archaeological site in Upper Austria. They probably began to settle in the British Isles during this period. Between the 5th and 1st centuries bc , their influence extended from what is now Spain , the islands of the British Isles to the shores of the Black Sea , from the Ukraine to Turkey. This huge land/cultural region ( never an 'Empire') encompassing the areas mentioned influenced much of the continent of Europe and was greater in size then modern European Russia. Despite the shared religion/language and culture this large area was never politically united , finding only brief periods of unity when threatened by common foes. The later Iron Age phase of Celtic Culture is called La Tene, after a site in Switzerland and dates from the previously mentioned 5th to 1st centuries bc. Evidence from this period suggests that the Celts were the first peoples of Europe to actively use and work with iron. The word Celt is derived from Keltoi, the name given to these people by Herodotus and other Greek writers. To the Romans, the Continental Celts were known as Galli, or Gauls; those in Britain were called Britanni. In the 4th century bc the Celts invaded the Greco-Roman world, conquering northern Italy and sacking Rome, whilst also conquering Macedonia and Thessaly. They plundered Rome in 390, sacked Delphi in 279, and penetrated Asia Minor, where they were known as Galatians. The "Cisalpine Gauls" of northern Italy were conquered by the Romans in the 2nd century bc .Transalpine Gaul (modern France and the Rhineland) was subdued by Julius Caesar in the 1st century bc. and most of Britain came under Roman rule in the 1st century ad. In the same period. the Celts of central Europe being fragmented came under the domination by the Germanic peoples. In medieval and modern times the Celtic tradition and languages survived in Brittany ( Western France), Cornwall, Galicia ( North Western Spain) , Galatia ( Central Turkey), Wales, the Scottish Highlands, Isle of Man and Ireland, and to a lesser extent in the Norse/Celtic culture of Iceland.

    Way of Life:- The various Celtic tribes were bound together by common speech, customs, and religion, rather than by any well defined central governments. There government was through the use of a feudal system with each tribe being headed by a king/chief and was divided by class into Druids (priests), warrior nobles, and commoners/freemen and slaves . Politically there was a great degree of democracy within the society with both men and women being treated equally and all important decisions being made at tribal gatherings in which women had an equal voice. Rulers were subject to removal at these gathering if found unsatisfactory or incompetent and succession was not necessarily hereditary. The absence of any large scale political unity amongst the tribes contributed substantially to the extinction of their way of life, making them vulnerable to their enemies. Their economy was pastoral and agricultural and they had no real urban life however trade played a large part in there economy . The nobles fought on foot with swords and spears and were fond of feasting and drinking. Celtic mythology, which included earth gods, various woodland spirits, and sun deities, was particularly rich in elfin demons and tutelaries, beings that still pervade the lore of peoples of Celtic ancestry.
    Celtic Christianity:- The Christian faith was well established in Celtic Britain by the 4th century ad, but in the 5th century the Saxons and other Germanic peoples invaded the country, driving most of the Celtic Christians into Wales and Cornwall. At the same time. St. Patrick and other British missionaries founded a new church in Ireland, which then became the centre of Celtic Christianity. The Irish church developed a distinctive organization in which bishops were subordinate to the abbots of monasteries .The Irish monks, devoted to learning as well as religion, did much to preserve a knowledge of ancient Roman literature in early medieval Europe. Between the late 6th and the early 8th centuries, Irish missionaries were active in Christianizing the Germanic peoples that had conquered the Western Roman Empire, and they founded numerous monasteries in present-day France, Germany, Switzerland , and Italy. Celtic Christianity in Ireland was weakened by the Viking invasions of the 9th and 10th centuries, and by the 12th century its characteristic institutions, which were incompatible with those of the dominant Roman church, had largely disappeared from Europe.

    Art:- Celtic art is considered the first great contribution to European art made by non Mediterranean peoples. Its roots go back to the artisans of the Urnfield culture and the Hallstatt culture (8th-6th cent. bc) at the beginning of the Iron Age. It flowered in the period of the La Tene culture. Although Celtic art was influenced by ancient Persian, Greek, Etruscan, and Roman art and by that of the nomads of the Eurasian steppes it developed distinctive characteristics. These are evident in its major artefacts-weapons, vessels, and jewelry in bronze, gold, electrum and occasionally silver. Many of these objects were made for chieftains in southern Germany and France and were recovered from their tombs. The Celtic style is marked by a preference for stylised plant motifs, usually of Greek origin, and fantastic animals, derived from the Scythians and other steppe peoples; however the human figure tended to play a secondary role. Other favourite motifs are elliptical curves and opposing curves. spirals, and chevrons, also derived from steppe art. These elements were combined in dynamic yet balanced, intricate geometrical patterns carried out in relief engraving, or red, yellow, blue, and green champleve enamel on shields, swords, sheaths, helmets, bowls, and jewelry. They also appeared on painted pottery cinerary urns, food vessels, incense bowls, and drinking cups. Examples of Celtic art include torcs, or neck rings, with the two open ends ornamented with animal heads, the silver repousse Cundestorp cauldron (c. 400 bc . National Museum, Copenhagen), a bronze lozenge-shaped shield with circular medallions and small enamel circles (1st cent. bc - 1st cent. ad ), and a bronze mirror with enamelled decoration (1st cent. bc) (both British Museum. London). Also surviving are roughly carved stone monuments and wooden objects. During the period of Roman domination of Western Europe in and after the 1st century bc the art of Celtic peoples on the Continent gradually lost its distinctive style. The Celts of Ireland continued to work with traditional motifs but as Christianity took hold, they combined them with Christian motifs and employed their skills in the service of the church.

    Celts Today:- Today the people who call themselves Celts or still strongly identify with there celtic history can be found in the following areas:- Brittany France, Cornwall, Galicia Spain, Galatia Turkey, Ireland, Isle of Man, Scotland and Wales. All these areas have strong Celtic elements to there culture with some of them still speaking Celtic Languages whilst others though not speaking a Celtic language have strong Celtic cultural rootes. The modern Celts have a varied and rich history and have influenced many of the worlds current great nations with their pioneering spirit and love of adventure helping to found some of the worlds most progressive and greatest nations.
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    Map of Celtic civ around 400B.C.

    This map shows the area that was more or less under Celtic control at 400B.C.
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    • #3
      Map of Celtic areas in 1400A.D.

      Map of Celtic cultural areas in 1400A.D.
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      • #4
        2nd try

        Second try for 1400 A.D. map.
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        • #5
          Forget Arthorius, it's too Latin sounding. Leave it Arthur!

          What cities would be used? Major Archaeological sites? Existing cities in the areas that are still Celtic? I suppose the same list as CivII has would be easiest... If not, there is currently a discussion on the Spanish forum about cities in Iberia c. 500bc. Many Celtic cities have been identified there.
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          • #6
            While I don't disagree that Arthur would make a great leader, as would Vortigern, Vercingettorix and Cunobelin, I think Firaxis might want to chose a woman to be PC.

            Perfect place for Queen Boadicea of the Iceni.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Alexander01
              While I don't disagree that Arthur would make a great leader, as would Vortigern, Vercingettorix and Cunobelin, I think Firaxis might want to chose a woman to be PC.
              Ah, finally someone who understands Celts.

              I would also suggest Vercingetorix or Cunobelin.
              Especially Vercingetorix was a good warlord;
              almost won Caesar's mighty legion in Alesia.

              *the Celtic warlord Rasbelin is recalling the old good times*
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              • #8
                Thank you. Vercingettorix is also my personal favorite. Of course, there are plenty of famous Celtic leaders:

                Vercingettorix, Cunobelin, Boadicea, Vortigern, Vortimer, Aurelius Ambrosius (Romano-Briton), Uther Pendragon, Arthur, Llewellyn, Gruffyd, Rhys, and any number of Scots, though they weren't pure-bred Celts anymore, too much Saxon and Norman mingling.

                Unfortunately, though the Celts were very influential and successful for a time, even the greatest leaders had their defeats.

                Vercingettorix had to surrender to Caesar, Boadicea committed suicide, Vorterigern's Saxon mercenaries turned on him, Arthur was killed at the Battle of Camlann. (or was it Mt. Badon?)

                As capital city I suggest either La Tene or Tintagel. Or Camelot for the die-hards.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Alexander01
                  While I don't disagree that Arthur would make a great leader, as would Vortigern, Vercingettorix and Cunobelin, I think Firaxis might want to chose a woman to be PC.

                  Perfect place for Queen Boadicea of the Iceni.
                  Boadicea was a total savage. I grant you she had reason to be pissed off at the Romans for raping her daughters and stealing her Kingdom but she went on a total rampage killing just about every Roman or Celt unlikely enough to run into her army. This is hardly my idea of a great leader. Still... she would make a nice great general figure.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Alexander01
                    As capital city I suggest either La Tene or Tintagel. Or Camelot for the die-hards.
                    I like the suggestion of La Tene for the Celtic capital. Can anyone come up with a possible city list for a Celtic civ?
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                    • #11
                      Have any of you ever heard of the Celtic mummies of Xanjiang province in China? It's true. National geographic and several other science publications have reported blond & red haired Caucasian mummies being found in China's western desert. Judging by the clothes and artifacts that where buried with the mummies scientists have agreed that they where Celts who had traveled across the Asian steppes (just as the Mongols would do a thousand years later) and settled in eastern China.

                      Interesting isn't it?
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Alexander01
                        Thank you. Vercingettorix is also my personal favorite. Of course, there are plenty of famous Celtic leaders:
                        But the was probably the best Celtic warlord (if we exclude me).
                        As capital city I suggest either La Tene or Tintagel.
                        They have used La Tene in Civ II's Rome scenario,
                        but Tintagel is more common(?).
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Oerdin

                          Can anyone come up with a possible city list for a Celtic civ?
                          I'll make one today; but later .
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Rasbelin



                            I'll make one today; but later .


                            Thanks Rasbelin. I think we should make La Tene the capitol and I will change the head of state from Arthur to Vercingettorix and we can make Arthur a great general or something.

                            That just leaves us with a few loose ends to tie up. Should we have the CSA be Religious or Militaristic? I am personally leaning towards Religious because it fits into what we know about the role of Druids in Celtic society and besides the Celts were never very successful at war. At least not as successful as the Romans and Greeks so Militaristic doesn't seem as good a fit as Religious. Lastly, what should set off the Celtic golden age? There are no Celtic wonders of the world (except maybe Smith's trading company but that's a long shot) so how would this work?
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                            • #15
                              ...have them make Stonehedge a wonder maybe?

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