Delenda sunt...

[SlowThinker]

La Fayette,
welcome from a vacation. Stop talking, go to "The Great Library: a hierarchical structure" , choose a topic and work!

Vite!

[VetLegion]

quote: vet legion took the city and healed back to full strength

yes, I never fail

[TCO]

quote: Originally posted by Chaos Warrior on 02-12-2001 05:55 PM I'm also playing on Deity only.... actually... tonight, I had to play EyesOfNight on MP, and he insisted on playing King.. I lost

He's cheated in games in the past...admitted to giving myself a settler or two...

[La Fayette]

quote: Originally posted by DaveV on 04-27-2001 11:53 AM Captured it. I moved three legions adjacent to the city. The AI attacked out of the city with one of their units and damaged my vet legion, then moved an elephant and archer out of the city on a trireme. They debarked those units onto the hills north of Taras. This left only one unit in the city, which I killed with a legion, then my vet legion took the city and healed back to full strength. The AI elephant killed himself attacking my archer behind walls, and I think I bribed the AI archer.

A nice start for a great game

(I'm waiting for SG(1)'s results as Carthaginian: if he also beats my 90 years at first try, I promiss I play ICS next month ).

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[DrFell]

This morning I finally got around to doing this one, initially thought of playing Romans but when my legion stack got annihilated outside Taras I gave up and decided to try the Carthaginians again. And took all the objectives by 193BC (85 turns)

The basic plan was to get steam engine, build ironclads, take the capitals and bribe the rest of the cities.

Built Lighthouse, then sent caravans to Rhodes to get techs and money. Forgot to get Astronomy off the Seleucids . When I got ironclads (took a while as I ran out of caravans - should have build a couple more cities), I sent caravels full of diplos and elephants to capture Syracuse, Rome, bribed all Roman cities, captured and bribed Egypt and Greece, and took Antioch. Then I ran out of cash, and even worse the Seleucids moved their capital, which put Seleucia out of my price range until I captured Rhodes, and sold almost all improvements. La Tene held out for another 10 years or so, until I bought enough diplos, catapults, and elephants to take it. Probably could've managed a better date if I had planned it out a bit better. O well.

[La Fayette]

Dr Fell
Congratulations.
Your strategy is very close to the one I had in use (with some more bribing and much more selling improvements, compared to what I did).
Too bad, it seems that Dave's strategy, with even more bribing and selling improvements, and especially with relying upon earlier conquest with triremes and vet elephants, is much more performing.
Nice that you tried though.
We all learn from the masters (even though our hope of beating them someday is slight ).

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[EOL]

I used similar tactics to you all. The AI decided to keep moving its capitals for some reason and I started to lose track of where they all were. I paid over the odds for a fair few cities as a result. The Carthaginians moved there's to Lilybaeum for some bizarre reason. I was able to get trade, polytheism and astronomy from the AI but only got 50g in tribute. Too many sneak attacks to early I believe. I was able to capture/bribe all the cities which are on the map at the start but destroyed several small ones that were built during the game.

All objectives completed in 199BC (79 turns)

Captured last AI city in 194BC (84 turns)

Still plenty of work to do it seems . Must get steam engine earlier.

EOL

[La Fayette]

Tiny Hall of Fame for Rome scenario:
DaveV: 43 years (Romans)
DrFell: 85 years (Carthaginians)
(my previous results beating the century with other civs were obtained with some caravan rehoming; hence I consider them obsolete).

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[La Fayette]

quote: Originally posted by EOL on 05-09-2001 10:44 PM All objectives completed in 199BC (79 turns) EOL

Congratulations.
Were you playing the Romans?
(in that case, Dave stays far ahead, otherwise, let us know).


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[EOL]

It was as the Romans, I think going headlong for Steam Engine and forsaking all else would have taken 20-30 years off. It only took about 5 turns to finish off after I got it this time.

EOL

Edit: typo
[This message has been edited by EOL (edited May 10, 2001).]

[EOL]

OK had a go as the Carthaginians. Wasn't able to get invention off of the AI which added maybe 10 turns to my time. Only conquered 1 city up until 218BC when 14 vet ironclads appeared on the scene within a couple turns .
I rush built the Lighthouse on the first turn since I didn't want to have to mess about with all the triremes and have them getting picked off near the coast.

All objectives finished in 204BC (74 turns).
Last city conquered in 199BC (79 turns).

EOL

[La Fayette]

Tiny Hall of Fame

Dave V: 43 turns (Romans)
EOL: 74 turns (Carthaginians)
?: ? turns (5 more civs)

[La Fayette]

quote: Originally posted by EOL on 05-10-2001 08:35 PM I rush built the Lighthouse on the first turn EOL

Nice idea (especially since it gives you vet ironclads later on).
Probably also a good idea for those willing to use a strategy close to Dave's (vet elephants onboard mighty triremes)


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[Marquis de Sodaq]

SELEUCID standard set: All objectives in 74 years, all cities in 79. This could easily get beaten, as I accidentally chose to research gunpowder before magnetism. My ironclads waited for several turns while the caravels sailed in. The more distant cities would fall several turns earlier with galleons. My first galleon didn't leave port until 218. Also, the perfectionist in me couldn't resist improving cities. I built five banks and three colluseums during this conquest. More bad guys would have mopped up the non-objective cities many turns earlier.

Record of city conquest and 3-figure gold transactions:
276 hides --> Rhodes 128g
267 hides --> Syracuse 308g
266 Raphia sacked, Pergamum for 715g
265 Galatia
263 Heliopolis
262 Alexandria sacked, Memphis for 276g, great granary sell-off
260 650g tribute from Carthage
255 Rhodes
250 Cyrene
249 Valladolid razed, Ptolemies relegated to history books
247 Silk --> Syracuse 120g
245 Sparta
241 Delphi
239 750g tribute from Macedon
234 steam engine discovered! (note DaveV had already won by this time...)
231 850g tribute from Carthage
228 Athens
227 Abdera, Demetrias
226 Carthage, Pella
225 Hippo Regius on sale for 127g
223 Syracuse, Leptis
222 Taras (Why not, we're in the neighborhood... Raked in 538g!)
217 Gades, Terracina, Rome
216 Heraclea, Neapolis
215 Pisae, emptied Caralis so barbarians could sack it
214 Kazan for 128g
213 Kerman for 78g, Ormuz for 308g
212 Massilia, Independent Greeks vanish; 10,000,000 Seleucids
211 Aleppo, Milan, Sena, Romans eliminated, Ngome for 231g
210 Caralis (just passing by...), Shangtu, Mpondo for 162g, Carthaginians are no more...
209 Braunsburg
208-205 bribe nine small cities for about 1500g
204 La Tene!
203-199 mop up remaining cities, 14,000,000 citizens!

And following Philip's advice, it was all possible:

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"There is no fortress impregnable to an ass laden with gold."
-Philip of Macedon

[La Fayette]

Well done Marquis!
Therefore:

Tiny Hall of Fame

DaveV: 43 turns (Romans)
EOL: 74 turns (Carthaginians)
Marquis de Sodaq: 74 turns (Seleucids)
?: ? (4 civs left)

...and it is far from forbidden to beat those written here