Another IMPERIALISM 1870

[Darius871]

Well folks, I've never considered reloading a few times cheating, but this is completely different. As sas said, Eivind would have had to reload damn near 100 times for one city, and then 100 times for the other city. I think sitting and doing it for that long for a result that unrealistic should be considered cheating, but if I'm the only one I guess we play on. I'm not going to be a pri*k and leave or anything.

While we're on the subject, did you ever reload several dozen times to beat my AA batteries in the old ZWK game?

[Darius871]

Originally posted by sas

After some more testing i DID manage to kill the defending unit in the cities without loosing the ship!

Btw, after reading this I reloaded dozens of times just to confirm. I was able to empty Athens, but never Beirut. I tried Beirut at least 50 times, and it's undoubtedly a tougher nut than Athens was. Sas, did you just take one city or both?

[conmcb25]

Kobra go ahead and get pissed at me for saying this, but well, it just had to be said.

What is the difference between reloading a turn 50, 100, 150 times and just changing the attack value in rules.txt if the results are the same?

And no &$*%$*$ reloading in the Historibus Game.

[Dr. Nick]

I'm beginning to think that PBEMs will start being played by invitation, rather than 'first come first serve' basis, and I believe we should start doing it as soon as possible.

[JamesJKirk]

I also so reloading as pretty innocuous up to this. But there's a world of difference between reloading a few times and being willing to do it up until you get the results you want. And refusing to lose a single unit in the process is ridiculous.
It's totally unfair to the rest of the players, because it gives Britain, which already has a huge advantage over everyone else, an even bigger one. If a ship wins 1 out of 100 times against a unit, then a 1% success rate is the odds it should have. But if you reload until you get the desired result, you have a 100% success rate. This puts everyone who doesn't do this at a huge disadvantage, while it may not technically be cheating, is certainly not playing by the rules

[The ANZAC]

James: yeah I agree, successive reloading is really unsporting, but not cheating. ie it should be frowned upon

[Darius871]

When the community decided not to ban reloading, 50-100 times is not what they had in mind. I'm pretty strict about it, but I'm willing to accept it when people reload a few times. However, taking Athens and Beirut would have taken an EXTREMELY long time. I think there should be a certain point where it indeed is considered cheating, and what happened here is far beyond that point.

[The ANZAC]

But how do you know if it is excessive replaying or they jsut got lucky with the combat calculator?

[JamesJKirk]

Originally posted by The ANZAC
But how do you know if it is excessive replaying or they jsut got lucky with the combat calculator?

When it happens 6 times in 3 or so consequitive turns?

[Darius871]

Originally posted by The ANZAC
But how do you know if it is excessive replaying or they jsut got lucky with the combat calculator?

Play the SP turn I posted. It takes some 50-100 tries to empty either city. I'm saying this because I tried 50 times and never emptied them, so it must be somewhere over 50 if indeed it is possible (and like sas said it took him 70). No amount of luck could make it so that he had to reload less than 10 times.

[Darius871]

Btw, we don't know for sure that he had two veteran warships around, since nobody's checked the save. Could someone take a look at Britains unit positions, health, unit codes, etc. and establish this first? If there were no warships around or perhaps some but not veterans, then all this reloading talk would be mute.

[conmcb25]

Originally posted by The ANZAC
But how do you know if it is excessive replaying or they jsut got lucky with the combat calculator?

In this case I believe that is easy to answer. I can believe a lucky break on the calculator for one combat, I would even accept that as an explanation. But two EXTREMELY lucky combats like that in the same turn? Now that I cant buy.

And what do you mean it isn't cheating? What the heck is the matter with peoples values now a days?

The combat calculator is set up to play the game once NOT reload 50, 100, or 150 times!

And again Im going to use this arguement. What is the difference between reloading 25, 50, 100 times and just changing the rules.txt. The result is the same.

Sounds like a free pass to me. I can start changing rules.txt and just say well I reloaded 100 times.

Bah. It is AT LEAST VERY UNSPORTING. But I still think its cheating.

OK Ill shut up. This is your guys PBEM you do what you want.

But Kobra if we catch you "reloading" in Historibus your out of that PBEM, period.

[Darius871]

Originally posted by conmcb25

Sounds like a free pass to me. I can start changing rules.txt and just say well I reloaded 100 times.

DAMN good point. Letting this slide sets a dangerous precedent, since from now on anyone who cheats for real can just say they reloaded, and play on.

[sas]

Originally posted by Darius871
Btw, we don't know for sure that he had two veteran warships around, since nobody's checked the save. Could someone take a look at Britains unit positions, health, unit codes, etc. and establish this first? If there were no warships around or perhaps some but not veterans, then all this reloading talk would be mute.

After looking at the game, i can confirm that the Brits did have 2 Veteran Steam Warships in close enough proximity to make the attacks. One in Candia, and one west of Athens.

Btw, after reading this I reloaded dozens of times just to confirm. I was able to empty Athens, but never Beirut. I tried Beirut at least 50 times, and it's undoubtedly a tougher nut than Athens was. Sas, did you just take one city or both?

I did manage to empty both cities. So at least it is possible to do it without altering the rules. But then again, i have to agree that i can see very little difference between altering the rules to achieve your goals or reloading the game to death

I'm not a part of this game, but i suggest we all come to some kind of agreement on this issue. And i suggest you guys let Eivind off with a VERY strict warning this time. But it's really up to the rest of you to decide that. I will for sure pay more attention from now on..

[Eivind IV]

I just want to stress that this is nothing I do regulary. Yes, I did reload several times, but I did not brake any rule, ergo I did not cheat. Unsporting maybe, and for that I will give my most sincere apology. I can ashure you that it would never be repeated if you let me continue. Sorry guys!