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  • Italian Foreign Ministry Statement

    Destroyer Squadron to Remain in Black Sea

    Italy will not be threatened into abandoning it's important presence in the Black Sea.

    The 5th Destroyer squadron is crewed by unmarried volunteers who have willingly accepted the risks associated with operating on Russia's doorstep. The sole task of this squadron is to keep an eye on Russian movements in the Istanbul area so that the combined British-French-Italian fleet in the Agean may have warning of hostile Russian actions.

    We call upon Russia to come to her sences and recognise that a single destroyer squadron [unit] is no threat to her mighty Black Sea fleet.

    However, should Russia persist on this insane course, Italy will press for the Med. to be declared off limits to Russian shipping, and all Russian ships currently operating in the Med. will be hunted down and destroyed.

    As a compramise position, Italy is happy for a Russian destroyer squadron to operate outside the entrance to the Dardenelles so that Russia may monitor the movements of the British-French-Italian Fleet.
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    • Moscow Courier

      Italian-Russian Meeting Concluded!

      After a very brief meeting in a cafe in downtown Moscow, Russia allows Italy to keep her destroyer of the Bosporus. "Russia only wants to be able to keep control over her territorial waters and ensure no threats come too closely. However an Italian observer destroyer is no threat, but we just needed to give confirmation so we don't have an enemy at the gates ," as Foreign Minister Tupolev was quoted today at a press conference.


      Also FM Tupolev stresses the urgency of a French response: "In goodwill and good faith we have released the French freight. As a reciprocation, we ask France to do the same so we may avert a major crisis."
      Georgi Nikolai Anzyakov, Commander Grand Northern Front, Red Front Democracy Game

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      • Turkish News

        NO foreign ship is allowed to block Bosporus, which is, as everybody knows, Turkish territorial water!

        And no foreign ship is allowed to "operate" in the Dardanelles : We are happy to let your ships cross (cross, and not operate!) the Dardanelles if we are warned before, BUT you should never forget those water are ours!

        So we hope we won't ever hear again things like "blocking the Bosporus".

        We are a peaceful nation and want to cooperate, BUT we won't let anybody behave as if we didn't exist!

        About the presence of Foreign Ships in the Black Sea: I can understand the problem this could present to Russia, so I propose that BOTH Russia and Turkey (the Black Sea being Turkish as well as Russian) can veto the presence of a foreign ship in the Black Sea, EXCEPT in Russia and Turkey Territorial Waters (i.e. 2 squares off the coast) which are under the sole responsability of the concerned nation!
        Last edited by Cyrion; October 17, 2002, 03:03.
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        • Re: Turkish News

          Originally posted by Cyrion

          And no foreign ship is allowed to "operate" in the Dardanelles : We are happy to let your ships cross (cross, and not operate!) the Dardanelles if we are warned before, BUT you should never forget those water are ours!

          About the presence of Foreign Ships in the Black Sea: I can understand the problem this could present to Russia, so I propose that BOTH Russia and Turkey (the Black Sea being Turkish as well as Russian) can veto the presence of a foreign ship in the Black Sea, EXCEPT in Russia and Turkey Territorial Waters (i.e. 2 squares off the coast) which are under the sole responsability of the concerned nation!
          Agreed.

          NO foreign ship is allowed to block Bosporus, which is, as everybody knows, Turkish territorial water!
          This is an exception. Russian Destroyers would stay on the Black Sea side of the Bosporus, not the Sea of Marmara side. And we'd hope Turkey would accept as a destroyer cannot bombard shore tragets and thus would be no threat to Istanbul.
          Georgi Nikolai Anzyakov, Commander Grand Northern Front, Red Front Democracy Game

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          • Bump for winterfritz
            Georgi Nikolai Anzyakov, Commander Grand Northern Front, Red Front Democracy Game

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            • I sent him an email about a week ago offering to sub for him. I think that he's got major exams on at the moment.
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              • So what do we do...?
                Georgi Nikolai Anzyakov, Commander Grand Northern Front, Red Front Democracy Game

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                • Wait for him to finish his exams. I think that they should be over in a couple of weeks...
                  Seeing as Fritz started this game and has always played his turns promptly, I don't have a problem waiting.
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                  • OK fine then
                    Georgi Nikolai Anzyakov, Commander Grand Northern Front, Red Front Democracy Game

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                    • Ditto, I don't really have a problem either

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                      • Yes, let's wait!
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                        • Information...

                          This post just to inform you that I won't have much online connection (or even access to CIV ) from the 28 of October to the 22 of November: like every male swiss citizen, I have to spend some time in the army every year, and that will be at that time!

                          And before you ask, no, I don't like it at all, but by chance I was able to arrange things so that I'll have a few days off every week...

                          So I'll have access to the web every 3 days (or nearly) in the next month! This shouldn't be a problem and delaying the game, but in the worst case I might need 72 hours to play my turn, so no need to bump me...


                          I hope you don't mind...
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                          • No worries.

                            BTW, I read a while ago that Switzerland was thinking of phasing out universal conscription - is this true?
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                            • Sadly, no, this won't happen in the next 10 years (or even more! the inertia of the government is amazing...).

                              But they are reforming it right now and I really hope it's the last time I need to go, due to my "old age"...
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                              • I got an email from Fritz today in which he said that he'd be back "in a few days"
                                'Arguing with anonymous strangers on the internet is a sucker's game because they almost always turn out to be - or to be indistinguishable from - self-righteous sixteen year olds possessing infinite amounts of free time.'
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