Another Age of War PBEM

[The ANZAC]

Re: Le Monde

Originally posted by winterfritz Firstly, the deputies refused to allow the city of Trier and its environs the option to join the new German state.

This is completely understandable and Trier would have only possibly been handed over as a plebiscite area: there weren't any definitive yes's or no's.

Secondly, the French government would also like the express right of fortifying the line of the river. Only France will be allowed to build and man forts on the Rhine, with the proviso that no forts will be built directly adjacent to German cities such as Cologne.

Russia agrees but also these forts should not infringe on Germany's right to use the land it has been given. ie by blocking resources that the Germans use.

Thirdly, a large number of deputies...were of the opinion that denying the infant state the vital administrative and industrial centre of Berlin was both unnecessary and a blow to German pride

Russia finds this unacceptable. Britain and Russia both are forced to give up much of the prime realestate that we have in Germany, while France gets to keep for an extended period much of the Saar, Ruhr, and Rhineland, while we are stuck with 2 cities each. This is completely unfair and biased as France gets major production centers and we do not. So it should only be fair that Russia keep Berlin for an extended period as Russia does not have many production centers in it's occupied areas and Berlin would help tremendously.

Lastly, the deputies proposed a candidate for the leadership of this new German state: the former chancellor Martin von Karreras (El Awrence ), who is believed to be retired and quietly living in Amsterdam. Contacting and reinstating this experienced leader was a proposal that was most popular with the Chamber of Deputies.

Russia agrees.

[JamesJKirk]

Re: Berlin

Russia finds this unacceptable. Britain and Russia both are forced to give up much of the prime realestate that we have in Germany, while France gets to keep for an extended period much of the Saar, Ruhr, and Rhineland, while we are stuck with 2 cities each. This is completely unfair and biased as France gets major production centers and we do not. So it should only be fair that Russia keep Berlin for an extended period as Russia does not have many production centers in it's occupied areas and Berlin would help tremendously.

Britain does agree that a Germany without Berlin as its immediate capitol is no Germany at all. However, I am presenting a compromise: As it now stands, Britain has 1 Occuppied Zone (OZ), and 1 Plebescite Area (PA). Russia has 2 OZs and 1 PA, and France has what looks like 5 OZs and 0 PAs.

The solution will be this:
Berlin will be exchanged with the rest of the Interim cities. Vienna will remain an OZ, and Stettin will still be a PA. To promote balance, Britain wouldn't mind if Prague's entry were to be admitted at the time of the Provisional government.
In return, France would only keep Munich as an OZ, and Cologne would be a PA, if approved. (If not Cologne, perhaps that city that starts with an "S" to the left of Munich).
Yes, Russia will lose Berlin, but it still has the Skoda Industrial Works, as well as the two traditionally German cities of Danzig and Koenigsburg. France will admit nearly all its German cities at one time, and Britain, France and Russia will all have 1 OZ and 1 PA.

the deputies proposed a candidate for the leadership of this new German state: the former chancellor Martin von Karreras (El Awrence ), who is believed to be retired and quietly living in Amsterdam. Contacting and reinstating this experienced leader was a proposal that was most popular with the Chamber of Deputies.

Britain nominates a second candidate: Iaonnes Schroeder for German leader.

[Case]

Bologna University Reporter

New Germany to be Nation of Dunces Warns Professor

Speaking at an academic conferance on Central Europe, Bologna Univesity's Professor Terrini has warned that the new German nation will have inadequate knowledge of many areas of modern scienfic endevour. The professor backed his claim by pointing out that the education system of the new Germany will be built upon materials seized from General AI's corrupt and ignorant regime, and the quality and scope of these materials is far below that considered standard in the other nations of Europe.

As a solution to this problem, Professor Terrini has called for the foundation of a 'Society for the Academic Advancement of Germany' (SAAG). This society would co-ordinatinate international efforts to return the quality of Germany's educational system and knowledge base to that enjoyed by the earlier German state.

[winterfritz]

OOC: About German science. We're creating this civ using the 7th slot - the one thats gone - rather than the Spanish cities, right? In which case we need to hack into the .net file in order to give the Germans a reasonable amount of science as well as the German unique techs, so they can build the German units.

Also, I haven't actually notified El Awrence of his nomination for new German leader, so I'm fine with just giving the civ to Jmarks.

[The ANZAC]

Russia agrees with the British proposal on cities.

OOC: Yes winterfritz and I were thinking of restoring Germany, the destroyed civ, not use Spain.

[JamesJKirk]

What government would the new Germany be started in. I imagine it's in all of our interests to have it be a democracy, but perhaps we could start it in anarchy, and let it move to the second phase once it becomes a democracy and builds a Palace.

I'm not familiar w/ CivTweak, but it sounds like it won't be to hard to give Germany the desired level of science and whatnot. The only question now is, "What is the desired level of science?"

Also, what, if any, diplomatic and military restraints will it have?

[Case]

OOC: Yes winterfritz and I were thinking of restoring Germany, the destroyed civ, not use Spain.

Ah, OK

The only question now is, "What is the desired level of science?"

How about the techs Germany starts the scenario with plus one or two more of the player's choosing? [in the order which they become available ]

[winterfritz]

That Germany become a Republic or Democracy is an excellent condition. I think we should also limit the size of the German military for a while (say one or two game years, with the military being inspected for only the first year - during which period Germany wouldn't be permitted a password, so we can see whats going on.)

[Cyrion]

Turkish News

First: here is the save, sorry for the delay!!

Not much to say this year, except that some freight was delivered, thanks to the excellent railroad network connecting many of the european cities!

And the turkish infrastructure was further developed!

In most turkish cities, the citizens were so glad with the new found Democracy that the quarter seemed like an endless celebration...

The regional elections have been held as was planned and the votes are being counted right now; the results will follow shortly!

And about Germany (if I have a right to say something on this matter ): Turkey will gladly agree to any compromise found between the 3 Occupation Nations and would welcome either Herr Martin von Karreras or Herr Ioannes Schroeder as the German leader!

Just a thought about this: why not make Germany start in Monarchy, without knowledge of Democracy (but knowing the prerequisites), and ending the occupation when they are in Demo, gifting the tech being of course forbiden?? just a thought...

And the save:

[JamesJKirk]

Production and Engineering restructured in Germany to provide healthy infrastructure to new nation.

Oporto-Malaga raillink completed, rest of Iberia to soon be connected.

Britain has no problem with the Turkish proposal whatsoever.

[The ANZAC]

Moscow-Odessa Line Nearing Completion!

Soon the Trans Balkan Railroad will be completed, bringing vitally mobility to the region.

Also the Russian Trade Comission has noticed that still RR bypasses are needed throughout all the Occupied Areas in Germany.

[The ANZAC]

And the save

[JamesJKirk]

Here's an updated version of the map, with the new (and accepted?) details of the handover. The Interim Boundary is represented by the dotted area, but this time the Provisional Boundary is everything within the final boundary minus the OZs, fairly obviously.

[The ANZAC]

This proposal seems reasonable: just Russia would like to redefine the occupation areas. Russia thinks that each of the Powers should have two occupation cities. This would make our influence greater in the rebuilding. Russia would like to also occupy Pragu and it's Skoda works. Britain could also occupy Lubeck and France should give up Munich and instead occupy Dortmund and either Cologne or Stuttgart as they are closer to her and more important strategically.

[Case]

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