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  • Originally posted by The ANZAC
    That has happened to me inexplicably in other PBEMs as well. Somehow I doubt it is cheating: why would anyone be stupid enough to pass on the doctored file
    *hopes no-one notices my vast fleet of jet bombers*

    I've noticed it as well & I don't think that it's anything to worry about.
    'Arguing with anonymous strangers on the internet is a sucker's game because they almost always turn out to be - or to be indistinguishable from - self-righteous sixteen year olds possessing infinite amounts of free time.'
    - Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon

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    • Originally posted by JamesJKirk
      Hmmm, my game no longer has a password, does anyone know why this could be?
      Perhaps General AI has escaped from that military prison and is causing havoc again. I'll check during my turn

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      • Okay, here's my turn. The sign for me that things were amiss was that when I saved the game the first time, my name was my password, so I checked it out and all that. But I reopened the save and have my name correct and a new password, so all is good. I'm sending my turn to ANZAC, because this computer is a punk.

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        • Oh boy...

          Well guys, its the holidays and I was bored... and I was reading the debate about the minorities again... and so I went and made some follow ups for those maps I posted a while back.

          Here they are: ethnic populations of three major powers. I got these figures by finding the proportion of a given area's population to the total population of the country. EG to get the Spanish percentage of the population of the Third Republic, I found the total population of all the cities I own in Spain and then the percentage that was of my whole population.

          Turkey first:
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          • Heres Russia:
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            • And finally, good ol' France:
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              • Isn't it interesting that Russia, by asking for more 'influence' over the Orthodox minority in the Ottoman Empire is actually attempting to gain control of a fifth of its population? Isn't it also interesting that Russia is so concerned about a minority in another country when there are so many minorities in Russia that Russians themselves are a minority?

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                • This is conspiracy against Russia! France is trying to falsify the statitics in order to undermine the Russian position in Europe!

                  Let's look at my chart:

                  First, I have the plurality so Russians may not have a majority, but they do have the largest number out of all. Second, Russia also finds more in common with it's Slavic brethren, so if you count the other Slavic groups as well as the Russians, the "Pan-Slavs" have a 65% majority.

                  There.
                  Georgi Nikolai Anzyakov, Commander Grand Northern Front, Red Front Democracy Game

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                  • and now...the save.
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                    Georgi Nikolai Anzyakov, Commander Grand Northern Front, Red Front Democracy Game

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                    • Originally posted by The ANZAC
                      Russia also finds more in common with it's Slavic brethren, so if you count the other Slavic groups as well as the Russians, the "Pan-Slavs" have a 65% majority.
                      Its funny that Russia suddenly has found she has so much in common with the Slavs in her empire. French observers wonder whether the ethnic groups in question would be as happy at suddenly being lumped with their oppressors in a 65% 'Pan-Slav majority.' Events such as the continuing pogroms, rebellions and viciously suppressed demonstrations in non-Russian areas of the Empire, suggest otherwise. Even for the Russians this seems a remarkable turnaround in opinion, given that normally they feel threatened enough by their Slavic 'brethren' to carry out the vicious and inhumane policy of Russification in areas such as the Ukraine, White Russia, Poland, Finland and the Baltic provinces.

                      In fact, its very funny that Russia should be concerned about the fitness of the Ottoman government to rule the Orthodox Christians under its jurisdiction when she has such a long history of maltreatment of the many minorities under her fist. The Ukrainian language is forbidden throughout the Russian Empire. Long standing Polish desires to again become an independent nation are brutally crushed, as in 1830-1, 1846, and 1863, while political parties are banned in Russian Poland to this day. Despite strikes and protests, all violently repressed, Finland's autonomous priveleges were abolished in 1899 and Finnish language and newspapers forbidden. Pogroms, a nineteenth century anachronism in civilized Europe, continue in Russia, occurring as recently as in 1903. Everywhere brutal Russification is utilized in an effort to stifle the independent peoples and cultures chafing under Russian tyranny, while the ubiquitous Okhrana use violence and murder to cement the autocracy of St.Petersburg.

                      Maybe a more important issue than the treatment of less than a million Orthodox Christians by Turkey is the recent acquisition by Russia of many millions of Central European peoples of various nationality; given the Russian Empire's long and consistent record with its ethnic minorities perhaps we would do better to save the Hungarians, Czechs and Germans from joining their neighbours in the misery of repression and Russification.

                      Originally posted by The ANZAC
                      This is conspiracy against Russia! France is trying to falsify the statitics in order to undermine the Russian position in Europe!
                      There is no false data here. These are the facts. Can't you handle them?
                      Last edited by winterfritz; July 9, 2002, 12:45.

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                      • La Repubblica

                        4th Fleet Sights Russian Fleet off Istanbul!

                        While en-route to a good will visit to Istanbul, the sailors of the 2nd Destroyer Squadron were shocked to discoved a vast Russian fleet just outside Turkish waters! As the 4th Fleet is new to the Black Sea, fleet inteligence cannot determine whether this is a normal deployment, or the build up to something more sinister.

                        Pressident Case's Head Hurts

                        An angy President Case has banished all his ethnic and religious advisors from the Presidential Palace for 48 hours. Speaking to reporters the President said "I got tired of their yabbering about the obscure religious and ethnic groups of Eastern Europe, and had my guards throw them out before I shot one of them". The President was later sighted heading towards the nearest pub.

                        Below: An exclusive graphic showing the Russians spotted by the 4th Fleet
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                        'Arguing with anonymous strangers on the internet is a sucker's game because they almost always turn out to be - or to be indistinguishable from - self-righteous sixteen year olds possessing infinite amounts of free time.'
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                        • And here's the file.

                          Incidently I'm going up to Sydney this afternoon and won't be back untill Friday morning
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                          'Arguing with anonymous strangers on the internet is a sucker's game because they almost always turn out to be - or to be indistinguishable from - self-righteous sixteen year olds possessing infinite amounts of free time.'
                          - Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon

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                          • Originally posted by winterfritz There is no false data here. These are the facts. Can't you handle them?
                            NO! Grrh, neverous...breakdown...must stop those...responsible...can't talk--mrrph, mrprh

                            Also my response to what you have said is this. All of the events mentioned occurred before the current government took power. So as long as the Ottoman Empire holds no responsibility for previous actions, so will Russia. Also the recent conversion to democracy has brought great advances in public health, productivity, and general living conditions, as well as allows freedom to all it's subjects. Also the Russian Confederacy is highly decentralized, leaving the indigenous people to mostly govern themselves. That is more than what I can say about the Ottoman Empire which was a despotic monarchy and now is in total anarchy.

                            As for the Black Sea Fleet we are entitled to stay where we are, as during the Austro-German War, the 2 space buffer zone between sovereign shores and ships was established and generally accepted. Also our Fleet was on secret exercises, which are now breached due to its spotting. Nonetheless, the Russian Confederacy is open to withdrawing the ships by the asking of a legitimate Turkish government, however the Ottoman Empire is in a revolution and total anarchy. Only once a provisional government is established that can stop the revolution and ensure internal stability and peace, will Russia be willing to hear requests for the removal of the fleet.
                            Georgi Nikolai Anzyakov, Commander Grand Northern Front, Red Front Democracy Game

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                            • Originally posted by The ANZAC
                              As for the Black Sea Fleet we are entitled to stay where we are, as during the Austro-German War, the 2 space buffer zone between sovereign shores and ships was established and generally accepted. Also our Fleet was on secret exercises, which are now breached due to its spotting. Nonetheless, the Russian Confederacy is open to withdrawing the ships by the asking of a legitimate Turkish government, however the Ottoman Empire is in a revolution and total anarchy. Only once a provisional government is established that can stop the revolution and ensure internal stability and peace, will Russia be willing to hear requests for the removal of the fleet.
                              This is plainly yet another ploy designed to exploit the temporary collapse of authority in the Ottoman Empire. A secret 'exercise' bringing a powerful battlefleet so close to the presently helpless Turkish capitol is a blatant act of imperialist aggression which we will not tolerate. On behalf of the Turkish people France demands Russia withdraw these ships immediately. The Ottomans must be allowed to resolve their internal problems unmolested, just as you were when you became a 'democratic confederacy.' How would you have liked foreign battleships just off St.Petersburg during your own period of internal unrest?

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                              • Le Monde

                                Rhineland Cleanup Complete
                                Birds sing in the Ardennes and fish fill the Rhine once more as French engineers finish cleaning all industrial waste from the Rhineland provinces. A special engineer corps has been formed to address any future accidents or pollution caused by the area's heavy industry.

                                French Navy on Alert
                                Following the news that recent Russian threats to Turkish sovereignty had culminated in the appearance of a powerful battlefleet alarmingly close to Istanbul, the French navy was placed on alert status. As the French Foreign Minister released a statement to the press that vowed France was ready to do 'whatever is necessary to preserve the independence of the Turkish people,' two battleships accompanied by supporting elements of the Mediterranean Squadron left their docks in French Tunisia for training exercises in the east Mediterranean.


                                The battleships Jaureguiberry and Bouvet steam through the Mediterranean
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