Eager to return

[Rasputin]

sits wating patiently to here reports of his first seesiion

[Ljube]

Raz, you have at least two cities.
Thebes is the best city in the world.
And I gave you 2 techs (monarchy and writing, haven't extorted anything).
Deity claims he gave you 2 techs too. But he won't tell us which two.

We left you some room for expansion (not much, you have to hurry though) and I'll give you map making so you can expand to the Americas. First you need a port, though.

Good luck, you are going to need it, cause Azande slavers would like nothing more than to eliminate your week civ!

[Ljube]

Deity, you can at least throw in the jungle. Raz really needs some quality expansion space to catch up with the rest of us!

Ozzy, donate Italy to Raz!

Deity, donate Somalia, Eritrea, Madagascar to Raz!

[Rasputin]

deity is always taking advantage of the AI or poor players near him



Just wish a group of guys that love this type of game could have waited till at least the person who inspired this one starting again was actually confirmed as a starter rather than just tearing aahead with a start.

The Egyptians were always going to struggle given their start and all 7 civs in the same land masses .

I will say i am dissapointed but providing the stories are posted i will continue, i already totaly lost interest in anything else

[Ljube]

Humanitarian initiative

The people of Egypt are so behind they really need some help asap!

I suggest we all donate a settler to them. Ozzy can donate just Italy (no settler) and Deity should donate a city

I shall donate one settler to them regardless of what the others decide

[Rasputin]

lets get some pics of the current world layout , will need to get into character for some stroy posting myself

[Frank Johnson]

I'll take whatever corrective measures for the feasablity of your civ that's required before the next session. I see no need in over burdening a key person who will bring detication to the game. All agreed?

[OzzyKP]

Originally posted by ljcvetko
Deity, you can at least throw in the jungle. Raz really needs some quality expansion space to catch up with the rest of us!

Ozzy, donate Italy to Raz!

Deity, donate Somalia, Eritrea, Madagascar to Raz!

The Serbs are quite generous with other's territory.

I think Deity has been very restrained in his handling of his backwards northern neighbors. The Tartars, Serbs and Indians however have quickly gobbled up the mideast, which is rightfully Egyptian territory. And one of the few locations of any worth in the whole of N. Africa and Mideast. If anything, these cities should be donated. I'm sure the Chinese, English, and that African civ whose name I never remember, can provide some compensation for the three civs giving up cities.

[Frank Johnson]

I was thinking more along time lines of populating the arabian penisula, nile, and northern africa with a few starter cities to at least give Raz some kind of core area, as well as some mandate for the eventual release of Tigris river valley....but that must be worked out with those players.

I'd be willing to trade my northernteer city of Da Bai Ninja to the tartars if they were willing to cede their local city to Raz.

Or I can just blop some settlers on the map for Raz if we don't want to cooperate, its not like he wouldn't have made them himself if he was there.

[OzzyKP]

How about this as an idea. The Tartars, Indians, and Serbs turn over their mideast cities to Raz. This will give him a respectable amount of cities, 5, with which he can get back into the game.

The 3 other players each give 100 gold to the 3 players who gave up their cities to more evenly distribute the burden. Plus we all pledge to not build the Pyramids and save that for Raz. With a land of desert, a population boosting wonder like the Pyramids I think is essential. Plus it is very much in character for the Egyptians.

I know it is asking a lot of the Indians, Tartars and Serbs to give up a city. But jeeze, y'all just swarmed down there seemingly to take advantage of the weakened Egyptian player. I kept saying to give them room but it was like a free for all. Not fair at all for Raz. Plus you will each get 100 gold for giving up that city, which I think is more than generous and ample compensation.

What does everyone think? This should get Raz in the game very nicely.

[Frank Johnson]

Here is a suggested bail out plan for AI suckyness.

It will give Raz 5 cities and put him in contention.

[Rasputin]

ok ok hang on guys....

lets not get too generous, i have to take some responsibilty for not actually managing to get the correct software.

However i am greatful for your efforts and will accept whatever you throw my way.

I hereby apologise for being a bit miffed for the ations taken against the stupid AI and newbie player.

now to some really bad news, my mother is going to hospital this week for major surgery and the family is all expected to be there for her on the sunday. Can we if at all possible take a week break and allow me this time to be there, again i accept if you find a good sub, empress if you read this can you play?? i dont want the ai or any other non Diplo player to paly my civ.

Thanks again guys , sorry for this problems with the start of our great game

[Ljube]

Frank, your ideas are great and simple. Yes, add those settlers!

Nobody loses a city and Raz gets a couple.

Maybe we should throw in a few more settlers.

[Rasputin]

ok a few suggestions....

amy one able to play Monday night US/Tuesday morning Aus

i will be unavaialble from Tuesday night onwaqrds as have to fly to perth 3000kn away.

as for game i think the expansion of the Blues an dpurples into mid east was a bit unfair and if they would remove it would be appreciated but not necessary.

The extra settlers, provided they are Non-units will do the fix.

Finally got a patch from our great serb player so i am finally able to view the mes si left with

[OzzyKP]

Sorry to hear about your mom Raz. Hope she comes out of it alright. I'd be ok with taking a week off. I think we were all thirsting to sink our teeth into this game rather than postpone the start. Now we've got something to work with, so I at least would be alright with taking a week off, so you can rejoin us. Another session like the one you had could seriously kill the Egyptians.

Originally posted by Rasputin
as for game i think the expansion of the Blues an dpurples into mid east was a bit unfair and if they would remove it would be appreciated but not necessary.

For this reason I think it'd be best if the nations in the regions who took advantage of Raz' situation give up their cities. I made an offer to distribute the burden to all players, but honestly it was very unfair of you all to plop cities down there knowing full well that civ was AI and that Raz would be back for the next session. I consider this as bad as, if not worse than exploiting tech off an AI player. It hurts far more.

Its not just a matter of cities for Raz. He'll certainly be able to build more cities when he gets back, but its also a matter of long term territory. He missed the chance to stake out borders like the rest of us did, and with such very poor land in N. Africa and the mideast, Raz is very screwed long term. That rare fertile area by the Tigris & Euphrates is one of only 2 in the entire area Raz could be expected to lay claim to (the other being the Nile).

I said many times in the game not to squeeze Raz in the mideast and leave him room. But instead players took advantage of the situation and that upsets me. In all fairness I or Frank shouldn't be penalized for the greed of those players who built in the ME, but I'm prepared to give up that gold (not a small sum at all) to alieviate their burden. However this is a mess of your own making, by taking away half of Raz' good land you should feel some pinch in any correction to occur.