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The Serbs are quite generous with other's territory.
If anything, these cities should be donated
For this reason I think it'd be best if the nations in the regions who took advantage of Raz' situation give up their cities. I made an offer to distribute the burden to all players, but honestly it was very unfair of you all to plop cities down there knowing full well that civ was AI and that Raz would be back for the next session. I consider this as bad as, if not worse than exploiting tech off an AI player. It hurts far more.
We knew he'd be back? Hardly. And when I finally did build there, the ai had only 2 cities and I thought it would be ridiculous for anyone to take that civ at that point. I figured he'd take the Tartars since Winzity was a sub, but maybe he wants to play them for all I know.
He was screwed by the mapmakerIts not just a matter of cities for Raz. He'll certainly be able to build more cities when he gets back, but its also a matter of long term territory. He missed the chance to stake out borders like the rest of us did, and with such very poor land in N. Africa and the mideast, Raz is very screwed long term. And he isn't alone, the Tartars have piss poor land and I'm not exactly living in the land of milk and honey and both of us are screwed by being stuck in the middle. Europe and China have the best land... I had to build ships and travel for centuries to find decent land and I have to fight barbs for it. Hell, the Chinese have built 5-6 squares from my Capital.
For the record, I did not build there until very late in the session AFTER the Egyptian sub had left, AFTER I learned the Egyptians had 2 cities, AFTER the Tartars had built there, and AFTER I reached the conclusion Egypt was a lost cause and we'd be playing with 6 civs... Btw, I told you guys (or was it just Deity) that it was unwise to start with 6 people because of the ai but my warning was ignored...
Now, I'll donate my 1 city there for $100 or I can quit the game to make room for Raz to play the Indians and let the ai keep playing the Egyptians. I suppose the former would be the best solution since a weak ai in Egypt would give the S Africans an advantage by effectively giving him all of Africa... But you guys insisted on playing with an ai in control, not me. I'm
And let's face it, the Tartars and Indians built there near the end of the session and the ai wasn't building cities so the Egyptians were screwed, not by us, but by the mapmaker and allowing the ai to play them... Like Raz said, we shouldn't have started without him...
Here's an idea, the Tartars and Indians donate our cities on the Tigris to Egypt and the mapmaker can plop down a few settlers for the Egyptians and the Chinese give the Indians their westernmost city, the one closest to the Indian capital and the Serbs give the Tartars their easternmost city above the Black Sea. That would help balance out the discrepancy in land alotment...
How does that sound?Comment
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I can give settlers, not land. I'm already left with no room for further expansion and my territory is fairly small, so I can't spare a city.Originally posted by Berzerker
Here's an idea, the Tartars and Indians donate our cities on the Tigris to Egypt and the mapmaker can plop down a few settlers for the Egyptians and the Chinese give the Indians their westernmost city, the one closest to the Indian capital and the Serbs give the Tartars their easternmost city above the Black Sea. That would help balance out the discrepancy in land alotment...
How does that sound?
Why not add those five settlers according to Frank's plan? Raz would have 7 cities then and I vow to give him a settler or a city in the Americas as soon as I get there.
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Holy Cow! I just caught up with all this stuff!
I agree with adding settlers for Raz's Egyptians as per Frank's plan, and maybe a few more. The civ will play with whoever shows if Raz is not available. We just keep Raz in touch with any subs so that Raz can weave the story at least
I'll maintain my restrained borders as posted but the Congo jungles is Azande sacred ground...
I don't blame Tartars or Indians or Serbs for expanding as they did but I take ozzy's point. But we have to accept that all of us are going to make different judgements about this kind of stuff during play. I don't like artificially giving cities or land. What evolved in the game represents real life...
West Africa and the islands are still good for Raz's civ anyway - maybe an extra settler or two over there.
I gave the Egyptians two techs but just racking my brain as to what they were. I think one was Pottery; and I did trade techs when Art was subbing I think - so much was happening!"Old age and skill will overcome youth and treachery. "
*deity of THE DEITIANS*
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So are we ceding Egypt the ME cities and giving him ~5 settlers with others in the game giving the Tartars and Indians a $100? I don't care one way or the other...Comment
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If there's no objection I'm just going to mod in the 5 settlers for Raz. Whatever other deals concearning the T and E river area can be worked out either in game or else where.
We all knew Egypt was a weaker position from the start. Even Raz said he didn't care that much. Played well its ok, played by the AI its......well crap. Anyway, we throw Raz some settlers, get his city count up he can maybe get some allies and tech if at least he has a core of cities.Comment
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ok, reaaly sorry this all happened, i was prepared to play the egyptians in the desert because i like the story i had, but i sort of did expect if i was playing that my first settlers were heading to mid east but AI and sub didnt go there . had a quick look at the save and he reaaly messed up but that ok. whateever you guys deem fair i wil laccept. but please we must try and think of everyone here. The HOTW2 was reaaly stuffed a few times when AI palyed. Are we really that desperate for games that we cant wait a week if someone is busy, i know this game will go for a long time anyway, but lets remeber it is a game and it is fun so lets play it that way and not play at all costs when someone cant make it.
Well thats my .02c worth.
if you do paly this week with a sub for me please explain that they need to contact me.
Thanks guys, you are the best to paly with and that is the only reason i came back at all from my 12 month hibernation.GM of MAFIA #40 ,#41, #43, #45,#47,#49-#51,#53-#58,#61,#68,#70, #71Comment
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another suggestion is to just replay the first session.
Just throwing that out there, its still early enough in the game where we could do that. I still strongly suggest we go with my plan, but this is an option as well.Captain of Team Apolyton - ISDG 2012
When I was younger I thought curfews were silly, but now as the daughter of a young woman, I appreciate them. - RahComment
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our own website
ok guys here is the link to The NEWLY created HOTW4.0 Website
let me know what you thinkGM of MAFIA #40 ,#41, #43, #45,#47,#49-#51,#53-#58,#61,#68,#70, #71Comment
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Excellent work Raz. Very good to see all the posts saved in there too. If anyone was really ambitious they could do all of HOTW2 and 3.
And whats the deal with the "lesser known HOTW3"?
It was far better known than HOTW1. Lots of players from HOTW2 were in it too: Prom, Frank, Chris, & I. Plus it had amazing techincal innovation, and was pretty fun while it lasted. Don't dis HOTW3.
The page is excellent though. For that work you deffinately deserve some cities in the ME. Keep up the good work!
Captain of Team Apolyton - ISDG 2012
When I was younger I thought curfews were silly, but now as the daughter of a young woman, I appreciate them. - RahComment
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Here is an updated scenario file with the 5 additional settlers added per the picture I uploaded somewhere up the thread. The host for next week will need to download it and put it in the HOTW4 scenario folder.Comment
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Not a good idea ozzy. From my experience you have to keep moving forward. There are bound to be other availability problems in the future. It will never happen that we get 7 humans to play every week. If we break for any week the game will fold. I recommend we play on from where we are and keep playing every week that 5 or 6 players minimum show.Originally posted by OzzyKP
another suggestion is to just replay the first session.
Just throwing that out there, its still early enough in the game where we could do that. I still strongly suggest we go with my plan, but this is an option as well.
As Frank says, any city ceding is not to be contrived but is part of the in character diplo negotiations between leaders (i.e. ceding a city is for diplomatic advantage only) - not pressure from the out of game players.
Don't forget to fix the Oracle expiry as agreed = Ind ?"Old age and skill will overcome youth and treachery. "
*deity of THE DEITIANS*
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That site is brilliant Raz! Well bloody done mate.
Can't find any typos yet...
Can you change Western Azadine to Western Azande on the first story page - I made a mistake.
The original Azande are in the Congo jungles and have not yet built a city.
The Azadine offshoot have built all the cities in East Africa."Old age and skill will overcome youth and treachery. "
*deity of THE DEITIANS*
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DEITY IS OUR NEWEST EMPEROR !!!!!!!!!
CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!
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