The Sweetness and Light Game

[Bob_Smurf42]

@La Fayette:

Re:Point of Grace-I didn't notice the opportunity as it was near the the end of my turns, would probably have seen it next turn

Re:the other two-I was trying to maximize trade there, while slowing down growth to get temple/warrior before next red face w/o buying

Originally posted by SCG

the GL ... it balloons research costs.

I didn't know that! makes sense, though...

[La Fayette]

King La Fayette looks at the island and decides to move a few workers (hello Bob ) and also to grow our glorious capital city to size 5 (joining 2 settlers), in order to increase its productive capacity.

550BC: Pottery discovered; I choose to research Trade (mostly because with that size of map the power of MPE is huge)
525BC: Temple completed in Green Meanie
400BC: Sticky Meanie (on the west coast)
350BC: Trade discovered (start researching Map Making); diplomat disbanded in Mean City (makes MPE possible next turn).
325BC: MARCO completed; we give and swap enough techs to be able to swap maps with anyone (except the Americans who were willing to get 50g to start with: we said 'nuts', and they replied 'war'; we couldn't care less since we know where they are anyway and they are VERY far away); Temple completed in Pool of Grace.
300BC:We start researching Philosophy ( with 30% Science, because we will have cash available to help with incremental rushbuilding of the 4 caravans required for LH, which we consider a HIGH priority)
250BC: King La Fayette notices that his reign has been long enough to allow him to retire and have a beer

[Bloody Monk]

Originally posted by obiwan18


Could you please update the playlist, SG's?

Dear Jedi,

You are being way too subtle. I suggest you ramp the volume, thusly...



"Dag Blame It SG[1], slot my name on the bleepin' playlist!!"



Or not. You decide.

Monk

[Ben Kenobi]

But I'll give this a shot, likely tomorrow depending on my schedule.

Could you please update the playlist, SG's?

[-Jrabbit]

re: the Bouncing AI capitals

Dunno if that's it, [1]. Seems like the Musical Capitals happen in bunches, and start long before WoWs are being built. In my experience, at least.

Of course, it could be that you're basically right, except for anthropomorphizing the AI as "hoping"...

[La Fayette]

Advice #1

Bob_Smurf42

If you wish to learn how to win at deity level, you must first learn how to use your workers (in order to maximize either food, or trade arrows, or shields).

Here are 3 examples derived from your save:

- Pool of Grace: 1 worker is busy in the ocean (providing 1 food + 2 arrows); if you move him to the 'silk special', he will provide 1 food, 2 shields and 4 arrows (bonus: 2 shields + 2 arrows)

- Beggarsville: if you move the worker who is busy in the ocean to the 'fish special' nearby, you get 3 food instead of 1.

- Green Meanie: same as Beggarsville

(having a look at each city and trying to improve its production is called 'micromanaging'; some people say it is time consuming, but it is highly rewarding ... and it takes very little time after the first few games; have a nice time training )

[Scouse Gits]

re: the Bouncing AI capitals

I have a theory that once the AI has run out of 'obvious' builds it starts a Palace - hoping to be able to tranform it into a Wonder, but when the tech doesn't surface or the woW is stolen they get lumbered with half a dozen half finished Palaces.

SG[1]

[Bloody Monk]

Originally posted by Scouse Gits


As you well know, Friend Monk, an explorer can capture a city by direct assault (if it happens to be empty) - it is therefore de jure & de facto a military unit!

SG[1]

Well said Rabid One!! I think you could tell by my tone that I am not surprised by your ruling, now. Just wanted you to put a flange on that point.

Tight restrictions are needed to make a really tough challenge. Last night I reread the logs and saves from the recently finished No Science game. You fellows rocked. Even though it took until the mid eighteenth century, the result had never been in doubt. Especially after DaveV led that first rabid breakout against the Americans. Hence the tight collar on military activity in this game. I think you have set up a worthy challenge for us.

Monk

[Scouse Gits]

Play Order

SG[1]
SG(2)
Bloody Monk
SCG
Bob_Smurf42
La Fayette
-JRabbit
STYOM
obiwan18
Old n Slow

SG[1]

[Scouse Gits]

Originally posted by Bloody Monk
Unless...one supposes that Explorer units would also pass muster....

As you well know, Friend Monk, an explorer can capture a city by direct assault (if it happens to be empty) - it is therefore de jure & de facto a military unit!

SG[1]

[Scouse Gits]

I had genuinely thought that HG or GL was irony.
If not, You have to be joking!

SG[1]

[Scouse Gits]

Well done, Bob

Yet another (Robust) Constructive Criticism:
It takes longer to road a forest than to road grassland - put the road in before mining for the special.
& to echo Monk - dips make excellent 'poor man's caravans'.

Once more welcome - hope you enjoy it here - even if it does get fairly hot in the kitchen sometimes ...

SG[1]

[Bloody Monk]

@Bob

Welcome and congrats on your first turns.

Herewith is a bit of gentle criticism/suggestion. Reading the log and looking over the save, bells went off at...

675: Heaven's Gate builds settler, begins library

Why?? A Library costs 1g maintenance every turn, and in a city contributing one beaker, a library will be no help at this time.

Maybe this is a case where nothing leapt to mind when trying to decide what to build next. That happens. Here is a tip from a memorable discussion many years ago: "When there is nothing else to build, make camels."

Now I know camels won't be available until Trade, but the principle still applies. Build a dip that can be disbanded into our Wonder. Now, that would have been a better play, I think. It is still early enough in the build that switching to dip now will lose only four shields.(hint, hint)

Monk

[SCG]

Originally posted by SCG
1450: Germans build palace in Leipzig
1300: Babylonians build palace in Nineveh? looks like its going to be one of those games
1050: Romans build Palace in Veii? yep, one of those games

Originally posted by Bob_Smurf42
850: Babylonian capitol moved to...Babylon???

Looks likes its going to be one of those games where the AI plays musical capitals

Originally posted by Bob_Smurf42
We should get Pottery next turn-I would change Mean City to HG, or possibly GL

You'll get a lot of support for HG and a lot of robust constructive criticism for suggesting the GL - a lot players here consider the GL a handicap rather than a bonus in solo play, as it balloons research costs.

[Bob_Smurf42]

Good King Bob surveys his realm...
Dissedents gather around the palace, demanding to colonize other islands. To show his benevolence, Bob grants them their wish- if they can swim to a new island, they are welcome to stay there. King Bob, too wishes to leave , but is afraid to.
He has had a vision, a man who called himself "[1]", urging him to take power, but warning to not leave the "continent" (island) until the people can be organised and banded together.

975: German capitol moved to Hamburg
Beggarsville settler sent to mine for special near Point of Grace
Dip disbanded towards collosuss
950: Found Green Meanie
875: Mean City settler mines for special near Beggarsville.
850: Babylonian capitol moved to...Babylon???
Heaven's Gate builds temple, starts settler
Over 200,000 citizens!
825: Americans start HG
800: Discover Literacy, pick Pottery from Horse Riding/Masonry/Mysticism/Republic/Trade/Warrior Code
775: Babylonians start Pyramids
Point of Grace settler starts road between Green Meanie & Heaven's Gate
750: Green Meanie builds warrior, temple next
725: Romans start Pyramids
700: Beggarsville builds temple, starts warrior
Beggarsville settler starts road on newly built forest
675: Heaven's Gate builds settler, begins library
650: Heaven's settler finishes up Green/Heaven road
625: mean settler starts road-Beggarsville>Heaven/Mean City

Some of those high in the governmental ranks report that Kinb Bob has taken to being alone of late. He spends much time thinking, and often refuses to eat. One morning, his loyal servants come to his room, but is locked shut. Bashing down the door, they find King Bob kneeling before an altar, in an almost comatose state. Not being able to arouse him, they return to give the news and await a new leader. He has left but a scrap of paper as to his intentions:
We should get Pottery next turn-I would change Mean City to HG, or possibly GL

And the save: