CP orders 1758AD: temper our military a little?

[shade]

I came, I saw the Save and I was shocked .

Some info that will give a beter perspective.
We have 50 cities
and we are currently building 24 fanatics ,8 cannons and 6 diplomats
Only 4 settlers, 4 markets, 2 banks and 1 aquaduct are beeing build.(and 1 barracks)

1 thing we all know very wel is that our science rate really sucks. 1tech every 24turns!!!
What could be the cause of this?
We only have 12 libraries and 1 university. How could we ever gain speed in our science department if we have no places of learning?
We make only 237G every turn(and have 64G costs)
Why do we only make 4,74G/city on average?
We only have 12 markets and NO banks.

There is only 1 way to change all this and that is by turning the warmachine a nodge or 2 down.
at the moment we have:
190 military units (of wich 59 fanatics,18 cannons,22Crucs+Knight+Dragoons)
19diplomats
and 24 settlers.

my suggestion would be to finish the units currently under construction(+24fanatics +8cannons)
and then start build libraries,markets,universities and banks.

My plan would be(for the cities wich aren't located in dangerour areas(*see below)) that our cities wich are size 4 and higher use the following one of these buildqueues:
A) 1.Market 2.Library 3.Bank 4.University
B) 1.Library 2.Market 3.University 4.Bank
(except if there are special reasons why not to)

Size6 and higher should build an aquaduct if it isn't there already.

For the smaller cities I would suggest to build millitary units(don't count settlers and diplo's) up to the number of 3(in support), then start the above buildqueues

The goal would be to get the number of libraries and markets up to 35(ie +23markets+23libaries) and the number of banks and univerities at least to 7.

These numbers should give us a serious improvement in tax and science.
previous session we build up an almost unstopable army now I believe we should make our infrastructure the best of our world.(it is also the only way to keep our army up to date)

Therefore I would also suggest to use as much gold as needed to get to our goal.(35markets,35libraries,7banks and 7 universities)

At the same time we should also keep our settler and city production up to speed.

*list of cities in dangerous areas

• Sheol
• Styx
• Chicago
• Outpost
• Argos
• Rammstein

note: please keep in mind that this plan does not mean we will just stop producing military units, it means we will produce not as many of them.


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[Ben Kenobi]

Celebrations will improve our productivity. You can get almost every city to celebrate with a little effort.

[shade]

but the drawbacks would be...no more growth. It only lasts as long as we can put up the effort(we are talking about 50 cities now). I think improving our situation is the most stable way to do this.We have to keep evolving(otherwise we will die out

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[shade]

current development plan for our cities.
(all that is beeing build at the moment should be finished before we start with what is placed in the productionqueue.

Name(Size)	Building(prog)	shields	trade	food            Production+info
Nognix(1)	Fanatics(2/20)	2	1	5	
Assurancetourix(1)Fanatics(8/20) 2	1	5	
Kostunrix(1)     Fanatics(4/20)	1	2	7	
Hoefnix(1)	Fanatics(8/20)	2	2	5	
Obelix(1)	Fanatics(12/20)	2	1	5	
Shield(1)	Fanatics(12/20)	2	1	5	units
Outpost(2)	Fanatics(5/20)	5	3	6	
Arrows(2)	Fanatics(0/20)  3	3	7	Fanatic,Dragoon
Rammstein(2)	Diplomat(20/30)	4 	0 	6	
Ruin(2)	         Diplomat(0/30)	9	1	4	Diplos
Oryx(3)	       Fanatics(7/20)	7	2	8	
Dallas(3)	Settlers(24/40)	4	1	7	
Melkweg(3)	Fanatics(12/20)	4	1	9	
Sheol(3)	Cannon(25/40)	6	1	7	SMC orders
Idefix(3)	Fanatics(15/20)	5	6	8	
Famine(3)	Fanatics(16/20)	4	2	9	Settlers
Rack(3)	     Diplomat(20/30)	5	1	7	Change production to a settler, rush it and let it continue the irrigation works to irrigate Rack and Ruin
Sebennytus(4)	Settlers(39/40)	4	4	15	1more defender,market,library
Paradiso(4)	Fanatics(12/20)	4	1	11	Units,diplos
Flood(4)	Settlers(21/40)	5	3	11	Units, Market
Doom(4)	        Diplomat(0/30)	8	5	11	Units, Market
Phlegethon(4)	Fanatics(0/20)	5	3	11	Units
Plague(4)	Market(35/80)	5	10	13	Library, Bank, settler
Plenty(4)	Fanatics(0/20)	7	4	14	Market, Library
Purgatorio(4)	Cannon(0/40)	8	4	10	Market, Library
Baltimore(4)	Diplomat(0/30)	8	3	10	Units
Havoc(4)	Market(7/80)	7	6	11	Market, settler, bank, diplo
Inferno(4)	Cannon(8/40)	8	4	10	Market, Library
Misery(4)	Barraks(39/40)	3	11	13	Library, unit, bank, unit, University
HereticsVillage(4)Cannon(10/40)	5	5	11	Market,settler,unit
Pax Apolyton(4)	Fanatics(5/20)	5	4	13	Market,settler,bank
Gehinnom(5)	Fanatics(5/20)	5	8	14	Library,Market
Ore(5)	          Market(18/80)	6	13	13	Libray,bank,university
New Apocalyps(5)Fanatics(0/20)	5	7	14	units
Buffalo(5)	Diplomat(15/30)	5	8	11	Market, Library
Devastation(5)	Fanatics(0/20)	4	7	15	Setller(for irrigation and stuff near the city), bank
Pestilence(5)	Market(21/80)	3	6	16	Library, unit
Desolation(5)	Cannon(8/40)	8	6	15	Market, settler, units
Shadowpalace(5)	Cannon(25/40)	5	5	15	 Bank, Library
Bear’s Cave(5)	Cannon(0/40)	10	5	11	Market, Bank
Dominion(5)	Fanatics(12/20)	6	10	12	Market, Military units
Newton(5)	Bank(20/120)	5	15	13	University
Atomant’s Hell(5)Fanatics(16/20) 6	6	15	Market, Library
Argos(6)	Fanatics(0/20)	12	4	14	Sell granary+SMC orders
Enron(6)	Cannon(0/40)	6	8	17	Settler, University, bank,aquaduct
Glorificus(6)	Settlers(21/40)	7	6	17	Aquaduct,University,bank
Majestica(6)	Fanatics(11/20)	11	6	18	Aquaduct, Bank
Imperialis(6)	Fanatics(6/20)	6	7	21	Bank, Aquaduct, University
Styx(8)	     Aquaduct(36/80)	9	13	24	SMC orders
Chicago(9)	Bank(40/120)	8	15	19	Library,diplo,university

units= military,diplo or settler, what is most needed.

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

I hate the idea of building libraries in Fundamentalism. It's such a waste.

Marketplaces have the advantage of boosting celebrations, so those might be an option if we want a celebrating Fundamentalism. But celebrations in Fundy are only really helpful when delivering caravans, which we don't do. So, there may not be much point in celebrating... unless we build a lot of libraries/banks/unis to take advantage of the extra arrows.

If we do that... that's a lot of infrastructure for Fundamentalism. We might as well add some colosseums and switch to Republic after it's all built, if we really want to boost science.

The other option is to build a lot of Cannons/Dragoons/Diplomats and go after people. We don't really need any more science to win this one.

[cavebear]

I too was amazed to see how many military units we had and were building. I agree that it is perhaps time to improve our city infrastructure. We won't be a Fundie government forever.

However, I don't think it is a good idea to rushbuild the city infrastructure. Buying a Marketplace is not a very good return on investment. There are good opportunities to bribe cities with our gold, which can have a much faster payback for those American cities far from their capital.

Since we are getting closer to Explosives, I think we should hold off on building new Settlers. We'll get Engineers for the same cost soon enough.

[atawa]

Originally posted by Six Thousand Year Old Man
The other option is to build a lot of Cannons/Dragoons/Diplomats and go after people. We don't really need any more science to win this one.

I couldnt agree more with this statement. The only 2 techs we need to win this fairly quick is Explosives and Railroad. We are now about halfway through Explosives while Americans are researching RR for us

I would prefer building cannons instead of dragoons, we will have engineers and railroad soon so dont realy need them.

[atawa]

Originally posted by cavebear
I too was amazed to see how many military units we had and were building. I agree that it is perhaps time to improve our city infrastructure. We won't be a Fundie government forever.

If I look at the game its going to be over in late october/early november.
The only thing we need is RR and engineers and we can capture a civs core easy while bribing the outer rim.

Since we are getting closer to Explosives, I think we should hold off on building new Settlers. We'll get Engineers for the same cost soon enough.

I agree, we are building a couple now but as we are planning a couple of more city's on the way to our enemy's they will be usefull.

EDIT: And with the new plans by our MoW for the quick capture of Washington they will upgrade instantly

[shade]

If I look at the game its going to be over in late october/early november.

My guess would be january, if all goes perfect.
(at the current rate we will then have 7 new techs adn accumulated 28.000G for bribing cities)

My hopes aren't that enthousiastic, so I would rather go for a little strawl at the moment so we are strong enough to fight a long battle.The ideas to take out washington started previous cabinet, and the troops are still on their way...

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[atawa]

If we wait untill Americans get Railroad and on the next turn take out Washington we might get to bribe some of the South American city's too

Then just get an army of 30+ engineers working on highways to Greeks and Zulu. Throw in instants forts, vet cannons and hordes of fanatics and you have a fastmoving unstoppable army

[Ben Kenobi]

We won't be a Fundie government forever.

Why bother with Communism? By the time we get the tech, we should have won the game. The Americans are already researching RailRoad, and then we can finish off Tactics.

I don't see the point of more science.

[MrWhereItsAt]

The cash would be our biggest asset for bribing (as has been done so successfully recently). As long as we are able to bribe/steal every tech that someone else gets that we don't have, we will be at a par, and what more do we need than that?

Markets, Banks, happiness improvements would serve us best. We should endeavour to keep a fair force of military around - say no more than 8 Cannons and a few Fanatics per enemy civ for those tough nut cities like Washington or those in Demo, but for the most part have a force of diplos to bribe, bribe, bribe our way to victory.

[Sparrowhawk]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Science Minister

I don't see the point of more science.

Anyone else see the irony in this (though I agree completely, all I think we still need is Explosives, Railroad and Tactics and I think we have enough science to win the game.

/me Foreign Minister

[cavebear]

January sounds about right to me, too. This is a big map, and it will take time to build roads and RR. The biggest problem may be getting the other civs to stay dead once we kill them. We could overrun the entire map and still have to go back and re-search empty lands for one or 2 new Capitals or Japanese or Spanish civs.

[atawa]

Originally posted by Sparrowhawk


Anyone else see the irony in this (though I agree completely, all I think we still need is Explosives, Railroad and Tactics and I think we have enough science to win the game.

* Sparrowhawk Foreign Minister

Although ironic I think the SM makes the right statement

Good to see a Science Minister who is more concerned about the overall state of our nation then only his private army of researchers.