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  • Well, this means we're be involved as well soon enough from the moment we have a Pact with the Gaians.

    Should we try to stick to our new ally outright, or 'force' the Spartans to reconsider their decision by threatening to be involved as well? There's still a Spartan fleet near our coast...




    In case we want to collaborate against the Spartans now, we might consider mindcontrolling one of those cruisers near our territory before declaring.
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    He who knows himself is enlightened.
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    • I would go for clarifying with Spartans that the Pact with Gaians is for economic reasons. We can also offer Pact to Spartans
      Mart
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      • And not to Morgans then?

        This is a complete reversal of this weeks' discussions then...

        I have the feeling that the Spartan team feels very secure now with the CDF in the pocket, and think they have enough leverage now against a sudden counter attack on their soil.
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        He who knows himself is enlightened.
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        • When we have the pact with the Gaians we'll be able to see the state of their military, and then we'll be in a better state to judge things.

          Also now that our obligation to the Spartans is complete we have freedom to negotiate with whoever.

          A pact with the Morgans would reveal the underdeveloped state of our military at the moment.

          We need to think about offering a pact to Spartans. Pluses: It might help us get Doc:Air and if they attack we can withdraw pact and their units would leave our territory.

          Minuses: Reveals our weak military position v theirs.
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          • We soon gonna have good military, it's a question of some turns and manufacture in several bases. We also now need Bioenhancements. We then have standard veteran units, and after resigning from WEALTH social setting, they gonna be commando. After monolith upgrade - elite.

            Reversal? We also may then accept Morganic Pact. Soon. That new vendetta of Spartans really complicates things.
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            • Does not sound good at all.

              The way the S are going they will have all factions not likeing them in no time.
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              • OTOH, they still haven't invade Morgan bases outright. I suppose they are still rebuilding (or already transporting) ground troops to them. And of course they're supposed to build up a powerfull airforce as well.

                The turn is in the Gaians hands now, so our fate is partly in their hands since Herc sended the turn with our pact proposal pre-accepted? Am I right about this?

                According to Maniac, no transport should be near us, and we can check if they destroyed that Morgan probe boat near UN Commerce.
                He who knows others is wise.
                He who knows himself is enlightened.
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                • Yes Pact sent pre Accepted
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                  • Okay, how far were they on accepting it? Haven't followed the negotiations with them indepth. Kept myself busy with the Spartans.
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                    He who knows himself is enlightened.
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                    • It is looking more and more like Use, Gaians and Morgans will be working together.

                      For this type of pact I would make us the inteligence side and research.

                      Gaians specialize on tereforming and working with the planet along with going in the PSI area of research.

                      Morgan wil be the economic machine and produce a military and sell the units to us and G at cost.

                      We may not be able to beat the S but I hope we could hold them off.

                      Yes I was against being to close to the M but circumstances seem to dictate the other way.
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                      • I fraternized with a Spartan member earlier this evening.

                        Maniac of course.
                        In our conversations over dinner, the DG came up as subject as well.
                        Maniac seemed to hint at his willingness to Pact with us, but sofar this seems to come from his own, not from his team.
                        I hinted back that for a nice price that would be possible, and as price he hinted Doc: Initiative with trading restrictions.

                        Closer to the possibilities, he hinted at the possibility of us trading Doc: Air Power from the PK's if they traded that tech first with the PK's, and we trade/pay something for it. Cyberethics was mentioned (they checked already we're researching it).

                        He didn't really buy my hints at us still not having sufficient map info, but I may have decreased his opinion that we do.

                        They prefer us not to trade with Zak. Somehow ridiculous, why else offering us to sell the comlink first? But appearantly they're not happy we found him on our own.
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                        He who knows himself is enlightened.
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                        • Originally posted by GeoModder
                          ... But appearantly they're not happy we found him on our own.
                          There goes 40 EC...

                          I tried to think of a message to Spartans regarding our Pact with Gaians. I have to prepare a message to Gaians and Morgans, I think, but meanwhile what we could write to Spartans:
                          To Spartan Federation,

                          We would like to inform you in more details about our recent pacting with Gaian Union. We were discussing this agreement for longer time and this is finalization of it. It is intended as economic in nature. We regret that you have entered state of vendetta with Gaian Union since both Spartan Federation and Gaian Union are considered as friendly factions by Data Angels.

                          We also would like to ask you if you would be willing to enter the Pact agreeement with our faction.

                          ...
                          Ok, any suggestions. It might be improved quite a bit. I'm NOT in great shape for diplomacy today...
                          Last edited by Mart; March 28, 2005, 12:04.
                          Mart
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                          • This came in from Maniac this morning... looks like my fraternisation had a little side-effect...

                            "We treat University territory as Spartan territory, and also officially apply the Modo Doctrine to University bases.

                            Also, as noted in our reply regarding Intellectual Integrity, since the University has submitted to us, handing over their sovereignity to the Federation, we disapprove of all diplomatic deals between the University and other factions unless under Spartan supervision and permission. "
                            Perhaps restate the part about the pact proposal to the Spartans, Mart. Something like what conditions/offers would they have for entering in a pact with the Data Angels.
                            He who knows others is wise.
                            He who knows himself is enlightened.
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                            • If S gave us a pact then we could start to breath again and continue with our original plans.
                              You have two choices in life; Explore and learn or Vegetate.
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                              • Can't argue there, Forester.
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