The Infotrader/Infiltrator Network - Diplomacy plug-in

[Mart]

Would Gaians agree to give their map without getting ours?
Spartan Commlink + something else sounds good. And is worth this much as long as we do not have a foil to go meet Spartans ourselves.

There is yet another possibility - if Gaians get mobility, then we can trade it with them.
App Physics for Mobility.

From our perspective it is better if Gaians get Mobility from Spartans instead of getting Applied Physics.

[GeoModder]

I already hinted ApPhys for DocMob to Illu on Eventis, he responded with the present DocMob for DocFlex agreement.

Haven't been able to access Eventis since this afternoon though, so don't know if he reported this possibility to the other Gaians or not. He literally stated that they have another possibility of getting ApPhys. The Spartans no doubt, so I suppose they might try for the faction who asks the least.

I'm unsure whether the Spartans now we're in contact with the Gaians, but it's bound to be known. Also, the present lengthy discussions going on in the Spartan camp could indicate a trade proposal between Gaians and Spartans.

I agree that the Spartan comfreq is a must have as long as we can't contact them ourselfes.

So, with your backup I start negotiations then around the Spartan comfreq.

[GeoModder]

Ok, Eventis works for me atm, so I took advantage of the opportunity to post this message:

Members of the High Council,

I wish to inquire officially if the Gaian Union is prepared to trade the Spartan comlink.

With how current possessions lay, this probably would need a little addition for the price the Data Angels can pay at this moment.

May I ask to to bring this issue to the attention of the whole council?

Sincerely,
IT GeoModder

[GeoModder]

A response (from Illu), and it's negative. I stop further negotiations since we don't have anything more to offer then ProgPsych, and I think we agree that it's unwise to give up our leg on the PEG beeline.

Don't be insulted, but Applied Physics for our map data and commlink is a very unbalanced offer, not mentioning our policies about trading maps. If Angels can get Progenitor P. instead, or offer a number of ecs for commlink we could talk. But you can rule out map exchange, since you would have to come up with a significantly better offer for our extensive research on Planet. We might trade you data on your continent if there is area which has not been charted.
Since we plan to infiltrate and probe Yang in MY 2143, any exchange containing techs shall have to be preaccepted by you, in order to avoid getting the same technologies by probing Yang.

Interesting, they seem to think we don't have ProgPsych, but I'm sure I've announced to them we possess this tech. O well, now I have to tell them I guess...

[GeoModder]

The latest news, they're obviously mesmerized by ProgPsych.

As always, we will update you when the change happens. We plan to probe Hive in two years however, so if any tech exchange is to happen between us, it must be preaccepted by both us and you next respective turns.
We are interested in trade for Progenitor Psych - we may offer Spartan commlink and perhaps some more incentive if you are interested. If not, we are open to further negotiatons.
Seems that some miscommunication occured again since our data logs were not updated - do not pay much attention to that.

Does anyone feel ApPsych (or ProgPsych) for the Spartan Comlink alone is worth it? Perhaps with some energy included?

Should I go for the Spartan Comlink and some ec's or Applied Physics, and afterwards starts negotiations for their worldmap for ProgPsych AFTER we're sure we can follow the beeline to AdapEcon (PEG)?

[GeoModder]

And yet another try, sended this:

The need for Progenitor Psych is appearantly quite high for the Gaian Union. We need to re-assess this technology's value for the time being.

Since the Gaian Union wishes to remain seclusive about it's cartographic data, how about Applied Physics for the Spartan comlink and 20 energy?

Do tell in time if I go to far.

[GeoModder]

Illu's response on the com+energy proposal:

I think we may be onto sth, although you will need to drop the amount of energy a small bit. I will consult others about this. And, PP is not needed for us, it is simply that we find it it has a value, unlike Applied Physics.

And I just noticed he already posted something in a private thread on this forum, so they might be eager on this.

[Hercules]

So what are you suggesting?

[GeoModder]

As many ec's with the Spartan comlink. But his latest response was AP for comlink. Probably a way to get somewhere in the middle, but one never know.

But do YOU guys feel comfortable with me trying to get the Spartan comlink? And is AP as price too high for you or not?

And as a second note: am I asking too much for AP? Don't have much trading experience in SMAC, so the respective values of things are not too clear to me.

[Hercules]

Applied Physics tends to be a tech you think you can skip to save research costs. I thought 20 ecs was a reasonable request for a tech at this level. If we establish treaty with Spartans at least we can earn some extra ecs. Those extra ecs from a treaty and for the trade might help us rush those crawlers.

I suggest 15 ecs but no lower than 10ecs along with Spartan Comm for AP.

Trading PP is a no no atm.

[Mart]

I wouldn't trade Prog Psych too. PEG is too valuable at the moment

[GeoModder]

'kay, I'll carry on then.

[GeoModder]

My IT GeoModder, you seem to have missed our point in message above. We offer screenshot and credits. In fact, we offer 15 credits + screenshot information+commlink for you data on AP. However, in return we msut ask you to preaccept the offer your next turn, so that we can receive data on Applied Physics before we probe Yang and retrieve other technologies form him, which in retun can be traded to you. However, do not presume you can dictate our probe forces. Our priority is to retrieve technology, not credits. This deal is legitimate and only needs you to agree to it.
We shall then discuss trade of newly aquired technologies from Yang.

'kay, we got a deal here I think.
The screenshot is next to useless of course, but it might give them the impression we weren't able to scout 'our' continent as much as we liked. It will let them underestimate us.

O yes, and I already asked if we had a choice of what part of Planet would be given to us in the screenshot. Appearantly Gaian lands is off-limit and Hive's territory can be negotiated about later IF their High Council agrees with that.

[GeoModder]

Edited, is filled in later with the results of the deal

Edit:

The deal as Illu says it:

Coming (2142) turn the Gaians put 15 energy and the Spartan comlink in the diploscreen. Illu is also willing to forward their screenshot of our eastern continent already.

In return we put Applied Physics in it and accept the deal.


This means thus that only the turn after (2143) we receive the energy and the comlink, for they have to accept it when it's incoming. We have the screenshot initially, which gives us an idea on how far they have scouted the eastern part before meeting us and retreating.

This sounds ok to me. Anyone with objections or remarks?

[Hercules]

No this is a reasonable deal.