PUT Diplomatic Exchanges

[Drogue]

Like it

[Impaler[WrG]]

University will likly reserch faster then us so they will likly get Airpower first and then give to us and we can then give them MMI.

Also for role playing purposes shouldn't we go for the CBF, I know CBA is considered a better project but I think it will work out better for us because the CBF will still give all our Air units +2 Morale (and we can build the AiroComplex in a key Aircraft manufacturing base too) and the CBA provides the Univerity with critical Airdefence against the Drones. And I think preventing the Drones from concouring Uni is a very important.

Ofcorse we might be able to get both projects if we are lucky/sneaky.

[Drogue]

Originally posted by Impaler[WrG]
University will likly reserch faster then us so they will likly get Airpower first and then give to us and we can then give them MMI.

That is the idea.

Originally posted by Impaler[WrG]
Also for role playing purposes shouldn't we go for the CBF, I know CBA is considered a better project but I think it will work out better for us because the CBF will still give all our Air units +2 Morale (and we can build the AiroComplex in a key Aircraft manufacturing base too) and the CBA provides the Univerity with critical Airdefence against the Drones. And I think preventing the Drones from concouring Uni is a very important.

You have a point. However will PUT be able to build it before Drones/Hive? I doubt it. I'd say take whichever. Although if we can take CBF and PUT CBA, I'd go for it

Originally posted by Impaler[WrG]
Ofcorse we might be able to get both projects if we are lucky/sneaky.

We won't. Hive/Drones may get both though

[Maniac]

Already a reply from Archaic. I guess the subject was important enough this time to react quickly.

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RE: Leapfrog to MMI
I need to talk to GT about this first, but I know for a fact that we'll need Applied Physics more. I've learned from long experience that overall, weapon costs lower for each lower level weapon you have available to you. Having only Missiles and Hand Weapons would make the Missiles highly expensive to attach to units.

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I guess that means he won't need Doc:Ini. Should we also scrap EcoEng out of our part of the deal then, or leave it in so we have a "four tech against four tech" deal?
Btw, what is that about "weapon costs lower for each lower level weapon you have available to you"?? AFAIK weapons have a fixed cost which can be seen in the alphax.txt .

[Drogue]

Maniac: They do, but it differs when you get fusion reactors. The most expensive weapon get's a premium, but I've never had missing middle ones, so I don't know about that. It could well be the truth.

We could explain to him that App Phys was already part of the deal? We can transmit it immediately if he wants. Give them that and Doc Ini, since he'll need cruisers. However make sure they cannot be stolen

[Impaler[WrG]]

He may know something we dont, if he is correct then the Drones will have a hard time lauching a Missle based offensive vs the Univeristy.

If Uni want Aplied Pyhics we might as well oblige them

Lets keep the talks up and get this negotiated ASAP.

Ask if their up for a trade involving Aplied Physics as soon as we get SFF (so tec costs stay low) in exchange for anything they have and a promisse of future trades to come.

[Drogue]

We can do the SFF, Doc Ini and App Phys for Eco Eng, SoHB, and NG trade in 2155. In 215X, whe PUT gets D:AP, they can send us that, and we can send them HEC. Then when we get MMI, we can send them that too How does that sound?

[Maniac]

Hi Archaic,

Glad to hear you don't find Applied Physics useless. Does that mean you will select Applied Physics as your next tech and that we should give it to you together with SFF, or will you still select D:Ini next, and do you want us to send you a laser unit to retro-engineer at some later date (after PEACE is assimilated)?

Friendly greetings,

Maniac

[Drogue]

Maniac: They get AP anyway. Or we can give them Doc: Ini later.

[Maniac]

Originally posted by Drogue
Maniac: They get AP anyway. Or we can give them Doc: Ini later.

I know. I'm just informing as to when they would like to get AP, and whether they would like to get Doc:Ini at all.

Btw, now we probably won't get SFF from the drones, there's no more reason really to delay a pact with PUT. Shall we offer it in our next turn?

[Drogue]

Sure. You want me to write and release the 3D article of our plans to pact everyone?

[MrWhereItsAt]

An excellent plan so far. Archaic is pretty clued up on SMAC, so I would be prepared to believe he knows what he is talking about with the lower weapon costs thing with each lesser weapon available. We should ask him anyway, sometime.

[Maniac]

The latest from Archaic:

I'll probably select AP first, since it should, IIRC, add less to our tech cost than Doc. Int. It'll also allow me to progress down the tech tree to something I want.

I guess he won't need Doc:Ini then. I find his comment about tech costs odd enough though. AFAIK every tech adds just the same to your tech costs.
Anyway, what should I respond? Simply something like "Ok, I hope to hear from you when you have discussed our proposal with GT and come to a decision." Or should I already start to ask if they could please give us SotHB some time soon (due to our SP plans)?

[Drogue]

It'll still work. Though why he doesn't need cruisers I don't know. What he means about tech costs is doing D:Ini first will add 2 techs, and only one with D:AP.

[Maniac]

How about this:

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Hi Archaic,

Applied Physics is ok. We'll send it MY 2154 to you together with SFF if you're ok with the MMI proposal I sent you.

Btw, have you had the chance to think about the proposal regarding the trance ability I sent you earlier, with the transport and scout patrol etcetera? Would you be able to reach CyCon territory soon? If not, would you be willing to send us Secrets of the Human Brain MY 2155?

Greetings,

Maniac

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Or should I let further talks about SotHB wait after he agreed to the general MMI proposal?