PUT Diplomatic Exchanges

[MrWhereItsAt]

Originally posted by Impaler[WrG]
I sent General Tacticus a short reply stating that unofficialy I doupt it will be accepted but adding SotHB or dropping none proliferation would incresse the chance of acceptance and that we could add credits to our end if they do that.

Why would we want SotHB, except for the fact it is an additional tech? Non-prolif is nasty though, as we lose most if not ALL of our benefit by not being able to trade it.

Originally posted by Tass
The PUT just got Transcendent Thought 1. Sorry.

That's alright. They are a UNIVERSITY. They have no idea how to apply this.... we'll sell them our ideas on how to make this count for something apart from theoretical journals.

They'll thank us in the end.

[Drogue]

WIth non-proliferation I say refuse. We want it to trade with Hive. We could offer more money (70ec?) if they agree that we can trade it, but we don't want SoHB, and Doc Ini is a very important tech. We don't want them with cruisers in the war against PEACE.

I'd say no to their offer and no to your counter-offer. We can offer more money, or your counter offer without non-proliferation and without the ec, IMHO (maybe 10-20ec if needed).

[Drogue]

Can I send this to PUT:

Having discussed your various proposals for a tech trade between our factions, I can offer you the following deal: we will, as you asked, offer Ecological Engineering in our next turn, and in return, you will trade us Applied Physics and Doctrine: Initiative, and you will pledge not to trade Eco Eng to any other faction. Is this acceptable?

It is looking strongly like it won't be accepted by the CyCon.

We could agree to trade Doc: Ini, App Phys and 30ec, for Eco Eng and SoHB. Or we could offer App Phys and 60ec for Eco Eng. Or we could offer App Phys and 30ec for Eco Eng, with a non-proliferation treaty on Eco Eng (though it need not be reciprocated).

Are any of these acceptable?

These are a few ideas I think are fair. Unless we gain from the trade overall, I would be against signing any non-proliferation agreement. Or we could mess them over with the non-proliferation since we will end up against them at some point, almost certainly.

Is there anything else they have that we dojn't, since SoHB isn't that great, but with a better tech I might agree to Impaler's deal.

[Maniac]

HongHu said in the VoyForum that she assumes the deal is off. Seeing PUT's record it's unlikely after all that we could get a response on our counterproposal within the next five hours (before the Hive's 48 have passed).

Personally I would be against breaking the non-proliferation agreement if we traded. With the coming PEACE war I'd like not to alienate any other faction, especially since I hope we will be able to do other trades with PUT in the future. As Impaler says our betrayal could be easily found out.

I agree with MWIA that we don't really need SotHB. The Hive would only want to accept it in exchange for Gene Splicing if we added Neural Grafting to the deal. That's certainly not worth it IMHO. Gene Splicing <-> Neural Grafting in itself is already an even deal IMO. The Hive wants too much.


Personally I'd propose that therefore we forget about EcoEng and trading it with the PUT and the Hive. How about we try to acquire Gene Splicing from the PUT instead (not the Hive as they ask too much), as that is a prerequisite for Synthetic Fossil Fuels, very handy in the coming war? If we propose so to PUT, we should mention that "since we have recently learned that Hive also has EcoEng and Gene Splicing, we are not interested in EcoEng under the circumstances you propose." And then continue that we are still interested in trading "the less valuable Gene Splicing" but immediately say that we would certainly not be willing to offer two techs for it.

[Drogue]

Sounds good. But Gene Splicing is a very important tech. I can't see PUT trading for much less than the Hive. I could offer the Hive a few ec and see what happens, or a cruiser for a turn, as they asked for before.

We could try a few ec and App Phys for GS?

[Maniac]

Let's propose something like that indeed. Based on their answer, we can judge if it is worth continuing negotiations with the Hive.

[Maniac]

How about this? I guess this is the basic info and message structure we need to transmit, but proposals to make it sound friendlier are always welcome of course.
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Hello GeneralTacticus and Minute Mirage,

Recently we mentioned to the Hive that we were hoping to trade Ecological Engineering with you. To that they responded they will research EcoEng themselves soon and that they would be willing to trade both EcoEng and Gene Splicing to us as well if we were interested. After deliberation with the Collective I'm afraid we are therefore not interested to trade EcoEng with you under the conditions you mentioned in your latest proposal.

We are still interested though in finding out if instead of EcoEng a trade regarding the less valuable technology of Gene Splicing would be possible. We would again be willing to pay you for example Doctrine: Initiative in return, or as another possibility Applied Physics plus a bit of cash. But we wouldn't be willing to pay two techs for it as you proposed for EcoEng.
Would you be possibly interested in starting negotiations regarding such a trade?

Friendly greetings,

Mani Alpha-3
Prime Function of the Cybernetic Consciousness

[Impaler[WrG]]

Sounds good to me, lests send it.

[Phenix]

The University students and teachers must have got a subject in 'hard negotiation'

Seems like we'd better switch to another proposal like you guys proposed, let's try to get GeneSp instead then

[Googlie]

I have advanced the PUT turn (to you guys) - as per the "rules" I did nothing with the offer you have on the table

Googlie

[Drogue]

I agree with the message Maniac proposes

[Maniac]

Glad to hear you approve, as I already sent it some three days ago after Phenix' comment.

[Drogue]

Didn't see that

[MrWhereItsAt]

So far it sounds like things are on track - any further word from them yet?

BTW I volunteer to negotiate with Archaic if it ever becomes necessary. He will always be himself, but I think I can deal with him a little easier than most here, due to a collaboration on a certain interst in the first ACDG.

[Impaler[WrG]]

We need to get any message for Uni sent ASAP. Sugjest we send to GT and Archaic saying

"The Cycon Concousness desires to warn you that we will be going to war with PEACE on our turn (2150). We are quite prepared and predict we will cripple them badly. We wish for the Universtiy along with all other Factions to remain nutral in this conflict as it will be in our mutual interests. If nutrality in the war and a treaty between us is maintained then the posibility of tec tradeing between us remains open alowing us to maintaine a tec edge over the builder factions. Your treaty/pact status with PEACE dose not consern us but know that we will be infiltrating them on our turn so if you do not wish us to have low level access to your own networks we sugjest you go to Treaty. If on the other hand you interceed on PEACE's behalf the Hive/Drones (which don't not like you much) will likly take the oportunity to attack your rear. We do not wish for them to concour you though as they would become far to powerfull. Disavow all knowlage of this comunication and act suprised when we make our declaration of war imediatly following your turn. This message (and your computer) will self destruct in 10 Seconds....10...9.....8.....7....6............