PUT Diplomatic Exchanges

[Maniac]

Unless they show hostile intentions towards us or ignore our PM, should we tell them the Hive will declare war on them if they help PEACE? Who knows telling them will have the opposite of the intended effect, as as a consequence of our threat they might think that without PEACE they will be completely surrounded by Hive allies, so that they'd better help PEACE beat us. We'd better let it appear as if we're cooperative towards them, and share their worries about the Hivean threat. How about this when leaving the Hive/Drone attack out?:

Greetings Dean Archaic and Director GeneralTacticus,

The Cybernetic Consciousness desires to warn you that we will be going to war with PEACE on our turn MY 2150. We are quite prepared and predict we will cripple them badly. We wish for the University along with all other factions to remain neutral in this conflict as it will be in our mutual interests. If neutrality in the war and a treaty between us is maintained then the possibility of tech trading between us remains open allowing us to maintain a tech edge over the overpowerful builder factions Hive and Drones. Your pact status with PEACE does not concern us - it is private matter between you two - but know that we will be infiltrating them on our turn so if you do not wish us to have low level access to your own networks we suggest you go down to Treaty. Also remember that if you keep the pact, you will auto-vendetta us when we attack. We will immediately offer you a treaty though. Will you accept that offer?
Please deny all knowledge of this communication and act surprised when we make public our declaration of war immediately following your turn.
Mani Alpha-3 Over and Out. This message (and your computer) will self destruct in 10 seconds....10...9.....8.....7....6............

[Drogue]

I wouldn't tell them that much. A simple message to ask them to remain neutral will suffice IMHO.

[MrWhereItsAt]

Let's keep it simple - keep the bits about the fact we are planning on a war and that we are very confident of overwhelming victory, also on their treaty status with us and PEACE. Skip any mention of the Hive etc unless they ask. As far as they should be concerned, all we are doing is asking them to stay out of this, and the PEACE war need not affect our relations with them afterwards in any way.

Perhaps an additional few lines: Please keep this information to yourself until the war commences. We would very much like to continue to enjoy favourable diplomatic communications with the University after the war, but should you let on to PEACE about this too soon any contact in the future is likely to be less than friendly.

[Impaler[WrG]]

I would aprove of Manic's rewrite or any similar proposal. We need to hurry though as Put currently has the turn. Perhaps send them a stripped down version and additional info later.

[Drogue]

Why tell them now? I'd say wait until we have the turn.

[Impaler[WrG]]

The whole point is to tell them on their turn so they can take actions such as un-packting PEACE, this shows non-hostility towards them (helping to avoid the deadly 2 front war). On our turn theirs no point, as we will have made the public declaration long before they play again. By giving them a pre-public message we lessen the chance that they feel threatened or betrayed.

[Drogue]

Impaler: The PUT aren't going to un-pact PEACE on our say so. They are strong allies of PEACE. If we tell them now they will more likely build up military to declare on us. Why tell our enemies allies our battle plans? It's stupid!

The point of telling PUT is that when we attack PEACE PUT will automatically declare, due to AI. We have to tell them we do not wish to Vendetta them, just PEACE. That is why we need to send them a message. But in our turn, not theirs.

[Maniac]

We should come up with a message to send to Archaic pretty soon. Better also include a hint that we're willing to pact once the PEACE war is over.

[Maniac]

PUT proposes secret Pact against PEACE

PEACE have ****ed us researchers over more times than I can count. If not for your Vendetta this turn, they most surely would have broken their Pact with us this turn following my refusal to trade techs to them following my takeover of the entire PUT faculty board. They wanted Eco. Engineering, in exchange for a paltry Doc. Init. and Applied Physics. As if I'd give them such a valuable tech.

I propose that our two factions silently (for now) join forces against this menace. Once the foul PEACE are eliminated, though a combination of your military power and my research added onto yours, I propose we join forces for good in a quest for a co-operative transcendance.

For now, I suggest that this take the form of a Pact between our two factions, with the PUT publically staying neutral to your war while (for now) in secret funelling what we can towards the war effort. We would be also willing to trade tech to you, including Eco. Engineering and Enviro. Econ., on condition that no other factions are traded these techs without our approval. The same would of course be given towards any techs you trade to us.

Dean Archaic
PUT

I responded like this:

Hi Archaic,

Talking about a very pleasant surprise!! We were actually discussing within the Consciousness whether we should offer you a pact, but were unsure as we didn't know how close you were to PEACE. Due to Xmas days, internal discussions and all, it'll probably take a while before I can give you an official reply, but I'm positive that strong cooperation between our factions should be very well possible.

On another point, I should also mention that as a consequence of the Consciousness declaring war on PEACE, the PUT AI auto-vendetta'd us, because of your pact with PEACE. We have of course no hostile intentions towards you, so I have offered a pre-accepted peace treaty to you. Hopefully that can be soon upgraded to a pact.

A Merry Christmas,

Maniac

[Impaler[WrG]]

This is indeed good news!

The PEACE/PUT reltionship seems to be weaker then we had previously supected (Pirates probly did to PUT what they did to use).

We will need to explain our PACT with the Hive and our voting for them (did we vote for them as we planned?). We may want to tell Archaic that the vote is in exchange for information on PEACE and the PACT is mainly to cement Non-Agression with the Hive and secure trade. Also we had assumed they would win the Govenorship so they would be getting info on us so we did not want to be disadvantaged in that respect.

Also we might want to tell PUT that Hive is planning to Probe Rape them with the Information that Govenorship will give them. They may wish to prepare themselves.

Our top tec trading priority with them is Eco Eng and we can agree to non-proliferation on it.

Our near term goal sould be to PACT with Drones next and then PUT giving us max-Pacting. Then a war against the AI's (particularly Miriam) and lucrative tec deals with PUT and Hive, possibly sell tec to the Drones. Once we dominate the Southern Hemisphere wer can start building up for a second and likly final war that will end with a Cooperative Victory with someone.

[Drogue]

Great news. Great great news

[Nubclear]

Hmm....It appears that PEACE has been very naughty this season, to many people

[Maniac]

Latest from Archaic:

It will be accepted, and hopefully we can pact as soon as possible. I cannot afford to cancel my Pact with PEACE at this point in time, but that can work to our advantage, assuming you don't have infiltration info on them yet.

What is the state of your maps at this point in time? I'm afraid to admit that the PUT's is poor. We know the location of the Drones and Hive (Close enough to be a worry, not close enough to be a threat until at least Fusion and Shard), but beyond that, we're pretty much sitting in the dark.

[Impaler[WrG]]

Sugjest we tell PUT to keep its PACT with PEACE for a time, I dont see any reason Archaic cant keep the thing in effect untill PEACE is completly gone.

We dont want to Pact with the University too soon, as it will hurt our Hive relationships. I wuld wait 2-4 turns and see to it that we Pact Drones first and University second. This will make it clear we are persuing a full PACTING strategy rather then forming an aliance. On the other hand we could make a public declaration that we desire a PACT with all remaining Human Factions. As the game will be a 4 faction game at that point we are in a position to be the "King Maker" here but we cant flaunt that too much without driving the other factions into an aliance against us. We must not alow anyone to supsect we are playing them against each other.

What the opinion on telling Archaic to incresse his Probe Defences, theirs Drones, Hive and Angels that will ALL want to Probe Rape him.

Ask about the strength of his navy to defend him from these Probe attacks. I suspect its very weak on par with PEACE's navy.

An exchange of Maps would be acceptable at this point to me as he will see only what we have explored. After we steal the PEACE world map though we will be giving a lot away so we should do it before that point which will likly come in 2-3 turns.

We should also ask if he is still in need of Aplied Physics and what their Price for Env Econ is. Recomend we agree to any non-proliferation agreements they require. By the way we need to get a deal with the Hive for Eco Eng soon, but not if it means giving away the PEG.

[Drogue]

I think pact PUT soon. They are pacted with PEACE, for convenience, why can we not pact with PUT for convenience. Gives the Hive infiltration.

Have we infiltrated PEACE yet? If so, tell PUT. Helps with trust, and doesn't mean much.

I agree with Impaler on the trades. We need Eco Eng and Env Econ