PUT Diplomatic Exchanges

[Drogue]

No idea. He could trade with them the same thing he'd trade with us. The only difference being he gets more tech. What's wrong with trading less military techs? If the Hive/Drones don't want them, and it won't affect PEACE much?

However send the message however you wish, either is good.

BTW: PEACE are researching Non Math IIRC, which I think is what he means by they'll get them soon.

[Maniac]

From Archaic:

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Enigma_Nova has told us the Hive plans to trade Adaptive Economics with PEACE if we don't trade >that tech to them, so the supposition that PEACE would trade with the Hive is not at all a mere >hypothetical idea. We've more or less told the Hive that we consider any cooperation with PEACE >besides simply staying pacted a hostile act and a declaration of war, but with Enigma_Nova in >charge I doubt the Hive cares about that warning - Enigma_Nova's not really a diplomatic->orientated guy...

IIRC, Peace had that tech as of the last turn I played.

especially since I know they will have Strength 4 weapons
soon

How will PEACE do that? Will they trade with another faction?

IIRC, and I'm not getting games confused, they are but 1 or 2 years away from completing research in Nonlinear Maths.

No need to respond to the rest. I won't trade with them, or at least, I won't give them anything. If they happen to come to me and I tell them to pre-accept or the deal is off, then backstab them, why...that's their problem, isn't it?

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[Maniac]

My reply:

Hi Archaic,

>"IIRC, Peace had that tech as of the last turn I played."

Sorry for a possible misunderstanding. It's PEACE that could trade AdapEcon to the Hive.

>IIRC, and I'm not getting games confused, they are but 1 or 2 years
>away from completing research in Nonlinear Maths.

They only generate IIRC 7 labs per year these days, and they will research NonlMath in about 70 years. :-D

>No need to respond to the rest. I won't trade with them, or at
>least, I won't give them anything. If they happen to come to me and
>I tell them to pre-accept or the deal is off, then backstab them,
>why...that's their problem, isn't it?

May I ask which techs you hope to acquire from PEACE this way?

Friendly greetings,

Maniac

What's wrong with trading less military techs? If the Hive/Drones don't want them, and it won't affect PEACE much?

Every tech he obtains from PEACE, especially if he doesn't give anything in return - such as EcoEng or EnvEcon - as seems to be his intention, is a tech we can no longer to trade to him in exchange for a tech of his. We're losing here.

[Drogue]

He has a point though. If he can pre-accept things from PEACE, he get's them for free. Why would he trade with us then?

I doubt they'll pre-accept things. Maybe as a last gasp, but they have too much pride, IMHO. Either way, there's nothing we can do to stop Archaic, we cannot offer lower than nothing.

Either way, let's take PEACE ASAP, offer them the to join us after we take these bases, and then hope they don't trade sillily.

[MrWhereItsAt]

Hell, if Archaic hopes to get them to pre-accept - give him my best luck! I don't think it will happen, and even if so, with PEACE gone soonish it will not mean we miss out on much, surely.

[Drogue]

We won't miss out. Sure, we might not get a trade we otherwise would, but I can't see that happening.

[Maniac]

Hmm, one danger though is that if Archaic succesfully backstabs PEACE, and then some pirates join us after their eradication, that he might be faced with increasinly hostile neighbours as those pirates influence our foreign affairs policy.
Anyway, it may not be a problem after all. The latest from Archaic:

May I ask which techs you hope to acquire from PEACE this way?

Probably none now, if they're not going to discover Nonlinear.

[Drogue]

We could give him NLM, if he want's it? If he wants any military capabilities we could offer HEC, Non Math and Doc:Ini for Eco Eng and Env Econ?

[Impaler[WrG]]

Lets offer it to him, it seems like he wants it, any tec he has would be worth trading for it. Infact if nessary we could even give it as a gift to help cement relationships (relations seem good now but if they should sour)

[Drogue]

I reckon ask if he wants the 3 for two offer, we get builder techs, he gets military techs, and we all end up safe and prosperous

If not, offer NLM for Eco Eng.

[Maniac]

Hi Archaic,

Ah well, perhaps it is best this way. For if you would backstab PEACE that way, you would be faced with mightily pissed pirates (just like they were angry with us back with Doc:Ini). And when they move to other factions after their destruction, which seems like it will be allowed :-(, their new home factions would become more hostile towards you. :-(

But if you're interested in Nonlinear Mathematics, we are certainly willing to trade that to you. :-)

Greetings,

Maniac

Let's see if he is interested.

[MrWhereItsAt]

Great! Do this! Hopefully it will smooth any ruffled feathers from not accetping the Pact straight away, assuming we go that route so as not to offend the Hive too much.

[Maniac]

Can I send this?:

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Hi Archaic and GeneralTacticus,

The Hive has yesterday offered us Ecological Engineering in exchange for Adaptive Economics. If we have no other options, we will agree to such a trade. However as long as we have other reasonable options, we would like to avoid to trade technologies with them since the Hive-Drones are more and more likely to become opponents of both of us in the future. Therefore, since you have EcoEng & EnvEcon, we were wondering if you would be willing to trade those techs to us on a one-tech-for-one-tech basis? That way we wouldn't at least needlessly benefit our common rivals. Are you interested in this?

Friendly greetings,

Maniac

[GeoModder]

Looks good for me. I suppose NLM is one of the techs we can offer. What's the other? Adap Econ?

[Maniac]

IIRC NonlMath, AdapEcon, ProgPsych, Doc:Ini and HEC. Though I wonder, should we give PUT any technology the Hive or Drones don't already have? With PUT's insufficient probe defences right now, giving a tech to PUT is basically giving it to the Drones and Hive as well.