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[Pandemoniak]

Originally posted by lucky22

I will go ahead and follow up on that Bakunin, and recommend The 18th Brumaire of Louis Napoleon, one of my very favorites- Marx' observation that one of the great prizes of modern revolutions is possession of the bureaucracy is a classic. I don't believe true anarchy can or wants to abandon a complex division of labor.

I gotta check out that. That might takes time.

I suppose I just get annoyed when shiftless cretins claim Anarchy when all they want is freedom from discipline. Discussions on this topic can make some of the FM vs Planned stuff here at 'Poly look downright tame, as I'm sure you are aware.

I just cant bear people who speak of anarchy in these terms. To my ears, it sounds like "transcendance is gay". Unbearable.
And I forget the idea of speaking about anarchy in the OT forum, just saying the word makes ten posts calling you a terrorist. No way to discuss.

[lucky22]

Originally posted by Pandemoniak

There I say no, parties are not a step before the dissolution of state. Its organized and structured in a non-hierachical manner : the sioux political system is a good example : the Pow Wow organizes debate, and wiser members of the tribe are called or can come to discuss. Then the Pow Wow makes a decision, and every citizen of the tribe is free to apply it or not. Parties are (for some) or should be (for many) a community that shares common ideas, and discuss it and let everyone act freely. A party is just like a room in which people sit and discuss.

Do you recall Durkheim's distinction between "communism" (similar in French to "communalism" I believe) and "socialism"? The Sioux (and our own CCCP) are a fine example of the first form of organization but did not account for complex division of labor.

This famous disctinction between anarchism and marxism is founded by the very own concept of marx : "raise the proletarian as a dominant class". This is strictly revolutionnary : meaning like in "revolving" : things up goes down, and things down go up. These ideas are part of "The Revolt" from Albert Camus.

If "The Revolt" is the same as "The Rebel", then as I recall Camus dismissed Marx' ultimate vision as having shown itself to be nieve, leading to his big blow-up with Sartre. I thought "The Rebel" was a great, great book. It introduced me to the details of pre-revolutionary Russian nihilism.

[lucky22]

Originally posted by Pandemoniak

I just cant bear people who speak of anarchy in these terms. To my ears, it sounds like "transcendance is gay". Unbearable.

Forgive my misunderstanding here- discussing Anarchy in terms of escape from discipline or discussing Anarchy in terms of the people who discuss it in terms of escape from discipline? That is, if I am being unbearable, please pardon me.

And I forget the idea of speaking about anarchy in the OT forum, just saying the word makes ten posts calling you a terrorist. No way to discuss.

It sure does get loud in there.

[Pandemoniak]

Originally posted by lucky22


Do you recall Durkheim's distinction between "communism" (similar in French to "communalism" I believe) and "socialism"? The Sioux (and our own CCCP) are a fine example of the first form of organization but did not account for complex division of labor.


If "The Revolt" is the same as "The Rebel", then as I recall Camus dismissed Marx' ultimate vision as having shown itself to be nieve, leading to his big blow-up with Sartre. I thought "The Rebel" was a great, great book. It introduced me to the details of pre-revolutionary Russian nihilism.

The french title is "L'Homme Révolté", the revolted man. Its in this book that there is this famous proverb : "I revolt, therefore we are".

[Pandemoniak]

Originally posted by lucky22


Forgive my misunderstanding here- discussing Anarchy in terms of escape from discipline or discussing Anarchy in terms of the people who discuss it in terms of escape from discipline? That is, if I am being unbearable, please pardon me.

I meant : some persons claims themselves anarchists, but just want tsome other kind of discipline or are actually nihilists. Some others dont claim themselves anarchist, but consider it the same. I cant bear persons who say "I m anarchist : lets throw stones at glasses", etc... neither can I bear persons who "use" anarchism only in order to apply a new kind of discipline.
Nothing related to you, AFAIK, you see.

[Main_Brain]

Post 200

[Pandemoniak]

For our 201th post birthday, I suggest this logo for the CCCP.

[lucky22]

Originally posted by Pandemoniak


The french title is "L'Homme Révolté", the revolted man. Its in this book that there is this famous proverb : "I revolt, therefore we are".

That's the book, alright. A fine, fine piece of work. If I wanted to translate that, I'd probably go with "Man in Revolt", which still sounds pretty French. I'm not sure who chose to call the English version "The Rebel", but that does have the chunky sound that is likely to go over well with anglophones. I could picture " L' " making an editor assume he should use "the".

The party seal looks great. What is written on the scroll wrapping the wheat?

Was the comment "transcendence is gay" posted over at OT, made in person or was it about some form of non-AC transcendence? It does sound like the kind of comment it would take a real goon to make.

The flag design you posted on the flag thread is fantastic.

[Pandemoniak]

Originally posted by lucky22


That's the book, alright. A fine, fine piece of work. If I wanted to translate that, I'd probably go with "Man in Revolt", which still sounds pretty French. I'm not sure who chose to call the English version "The Rebel", but that does have the chunky sound that is likely to go over well with anglophones. I could picture " L' " making an editor assume he should use "the".

The english title : "The Revolt", is I think the best translation.

The party seal looks great. What is written on the scroll wrapping the wheat?

Nothing, catually, its just yello lines.

Was the comment "transcendence is gay" posted over at OT, made in person or was it about some form of non-AC transcendence? It does sound like the kind of comment it would take a real goon to make.

I dont really remember... IIRC, I meant people who speak about anarchism as a mess would say that on AC.

The flag design you posted on the flag thread is fantastic.

Thanx

[Main_Brain]

Nice Logo
The Yellow Lines mean : Power to the ppl, at least thats what the Voices are saying.

[Schinkenjoe]

Since we got no choice this IS our logo !


edit : Yeah it looks real good

[themagicbanana]

oh yeah just because a member posts something the forums doesnt want to hear doesnt mean you should ban me.but fine, do what you want.i guess the P4 is better because they are actually loyal to theyre members.

[lucky22]

Originally posted by themagicbanana
oh yeah just because a member posts something the forums doesnt want to hear doesnt mean you should ban me.but fine, do what you want.i guess the P4 is better because they are actually loyal to theyre members.

Lost Comrade Banana!! I have missed you!! Are you home to stay or are you following up on that P4 quip and going to bed with Archaic?

[Method]

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by themagicbanana
oh yeah just because a member posts something the forums doesnt want to hear doesnt mean you should ban me.but fine, do what you want.i guess the P4 is better because they are actually loyal to theyre members.

Your conduct in the forums proves that you are DEFINATELY not someone the CCCP and (I would assume) the P4 wish to have in their parties.