CivII On X.2.2

[FlameFlash]

What's your processor like?

[Henrik]

400 mhz G4...

[Insane]

I have 192Mb in my Lombard (G3/400) and it pages fairly regularly. The more fragmented your hard drive, the more you are going to notice it (mine is badly fragmented, but that's a different headache) I haven't decided if I should add memory, or replace the machine... but selling older hardware is always such a pain.

[finbar]

Originally posted by FlameFlash


That sucks that you can't use your current router though. What browser are you trying to get to it in? I remember trying to use Safari to get to my cousin's and it didn't work at all.

I've got 3 browsers:

1. Safari, as with you, didn't work at all. It wouldn't even take me to the password login. I typed in the address, hit the return key, and nothing happened. Safari's great, it's my browser of choice, but does have its quirks, I've found.

2. Mozilla takes me to the password login, which I fill in, but it won't take me any further.

3. IE - my desperate last resort - gets me past the password login but takes me straight to the error message that says "Protected Area" (or similar).

[finbar]

Originally posted by Insane
I have 192Mb in my Lombard (G3/400) and it pages fairly regularly. The more fragmented your hard drive, the more you are going to notice it (mine is badly fragmented, but that's a different headache) I haven't decided if I should add memory, or replace the machine... but selling older hardware is always such a pain.

Yet again my computer ignorance is being exposed. I've had this computer about 6 weeks. Can the HD already be fragmented?

The telling thing with my Civ problem, though, is that it runs even slower if I have any other apps open. If I shut everything else down, it's better. Nowhere near as good as it ran when I only had 9.2, but better.

[Insane]

It is unlikely that your drive is fragmented after only 6 weeks, but nothing is impossible.

As with OS 9, the more things you have running, the more memory you are going to use. Under OS 9, you could only open as many applications as you had memory for. Under OS X, you have an effectively unlimited Virtual Memory swapfile. As you open more applications, more stuff gets pushed into the swapfile. The more contention you have for the physical memory, the more thrashing you get.

Don't forget that OS X is based on UNIX. There are a lot of things running under the covers that you don't see too. Note the information below (cut from the "top" command). I have 5 applications running (including the finder), but behind the scenes there are 45 processes running.

Processes: 45 total, 2 running, 43 sleeping... 106 threads 08:42:49
Load Avg: 1.33, 0.86, 0.76 CPU usage: 35.7% user, 14.3% sys, 50.0% idl
SharedLibs: num = 92, resident = 20.0M code, 1.79M data, 5.73M LinkEdit
MemRegions: num = 2899, resident = 53.8M + 5.78M private, 49.1M shared
PhysMem: 28.4M wired, 104M active, 56.9M inactive, 190M used, 2.39M free
VM: 1.06G + 52.7M 7493(0) pageins, 2720(0) pageouts

Some of these processes are probably in the swapfile, some in RAM, and some are probably timed tasks which get paged into RAM when they need to run.

To summarize, the less you have running the better, but in the end you're still at the whim of the system.

[FlameFlash]

Originally posted by finbar

3. IE - my desperate last resort - gets me past the password login but takes me straight to the error message that says "Protected Area" (or similar).

Now that's strange... when my cousin loaned me his... my IE was all that would do it... have you changed the password on it at all accidentally?

[finbar]

Originally posted by Insane
It is unlikely that your drive is fragmented after only 6 weeks, but nothing is impossible.

As with OS 9, the more things you have running, the more memory you are going to use. Under OS 9, you could only open as many applications as you had memory for. Under OS X, you have an effectively unlimited Virtual Memory swapfile. As you open more applications, more stuff gets pushed into the swapfile. The more contention you have for the physical memory, the more thrashing you get.

Don't forget that OS X is based on UNIX. There are a lot of things running under the covers that you don't see too. Note the information below (cut from the "top" command). I have 5 applications running (including the finder), but behind the scenes there are 45 processes running.

Processes: 45 total, 2 running, 43 sleeping... 106 threads 08:42:49
Load Avg: 1.33, 0.86, 0.76 CPU usage: 35.7% user, 14.3% sys, 50.0% idl
SharedLibs: num = 92, resident = 20.0M code, 1.79M data, 5.73M LinkEdit
MemRegions: num = 2899, resident = 53.8M + 5.78M private, 49.1M shared
PhysMem: 28.4M wired, 104M active, 56.9M inactive, 190M used, 2.39M free
VM: 1.06G + 52.7M 7493(0) pageins, 2720(0) pageouts

Some of these processes are probably in the swapfile, some in RAM, and some are probably timed tasks which get paged into RAM when they need to run.

To summarize, the less you have running the better, but in the end you're still at the whim of the system.

All that information is truly terrifying! In the sense that I'm truly terrified that I know nothing about it!

All I do know is that, regardless of whatever problems I have with Civ running slowly, I wouldn't touch a PC with a bargepole!

[finbar]

Originally posted by FlameFlash


Now that's strange... when my cousin loaned me his... my IE was all that would do it... have you changed the password on it at all accidentally?

No, my failed attempts to talk to the router were the first time I'd ever tried it. What's really annoying me is that I can't find any reference to the problem anywhere on the 'net. And, as you'd know, you can usually find a reference to just about anything somewhere on the 'net.

[FlameFlash]

I guess it is an old router that needs some help... ?

[finbar]

As I was saying before the server so rudely interrupted me - Yes!

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