SCENARIO: Modern World (In Progress! Nitpickers needed!)

[sabrewolf]

scenarios on maps larger than 180x180 makes my computer freeze before i can play the first round

140x140 rulez!!

[Yahweh Sabaoth]

well, JW, I hope you proceed with the gargantuan map for those of us who don't mind waiting for 15 minutes inbetween each turn.

[Jaguar]

Number of cities on big map by civ. (There's a 511 city limit, so I have to keep tabs on how many cities I have placed for each civ.)

Russia 50 - none placed
USA 40 - all placed
China 33 - none placed
India 26 - none placed
Canada 26 - some placed
Mexico 28 - all placed
Brazil 24 - none placed
Australia 22 - all placed
Western Europe 16 - all placed
Argentina 20 - none placed
Eastern Europe 20 - none placed
Japan 12 - all placed
Southern Europe 16 - all placed
Indonesia 16 - all placed
Scandinavia 16 - all placed
Southeast Asia 13 - all placed
Arab Africa 14 - all placed
Arabia 14 - all placed
United Kingdom 12 - all placed
South Africa 11 - none placed
Pakistan 11 - all placed
Venezuela 8 - all placed
Iran 9 - all placed
West Africa 8 - none placed
Peru 8 - all placed
Central Africa 9 - none placed
Colombia 6 - all placed
Iraq 4 - all placed
Israel 3 - all placed
North Korea 3 - all placed
South Korea 2 - all placed

Total: 500 (I'm keeping a bit of a cushion until I can figure out where I need more cities)

% placed: 54.6

[Jaguar]

I am editing as I work. Takes a long time, but I'm more than halfway there.

I plan to release the 362 map with cities placed as a tool for other scenario makers to use.

[Jaguar]

Yahweh, as you appear to be Venezuelan, what do you think of this? Specifically, how should I represent area of Barquisimeto, Maracaibo, Valencia, Caracas, Barranquilla, and Cartagena. So many cities, so little space.

[PriestOfDiscord]

Originally posted by Jaguar Warrior
Total: 500 (I'm keeping a bit of a cushion until I can figure out where I need more cities)

% placed: 54.6

How are you going to model the densely packed areas? I know your doing things for the economic centers of the world, will you be doing the same for the massively overpopulated places to show their huge manpower?

[Yahweh Sabaoth]

Originally posted by Jaguar Warrior
Yahweh, as you appear to be Venezuelan, what do you think of this? Specifically, how should I represent area of Barquisimeto, Maracaibo, Valencia, Caracas, Barranquilla, and Cartagena. So many cities, so little space.

I'm not Venezuelan, just a sympathizer.

Looks good to me! Maybe a real Venezuelan would like to pitch in.

Keep up the good work.

[iamjason]

Wow, 500 cities! This is quite a project. Why did you decide on giving the U.S and Russia so many cities, BTW? Is is just based on land area? You know you can up each city's culture as well if you just want to make the borders complete.

Also, this might be a dumb question, but where can I download the latest version? I checked the beginning of the thread and the apolyton downloads section and no dice. Did I miss it?

[sabrewolf]

jason, actually you're right. why do the US and russia have so many cities? the US has "only" a quarter a million people, while china is over a billion and india is close to that billion. i think by area china and the states are similar (i'm just guessing here). shouldn't there be at least the same many?

btw: the four biggest EU-countries in your game (UK excluded) germany (80 million), france, italy (60 each), spain (40) already sum up to 240 million...

i agree that densely populated areas should have a lot of cities, but not a country like russia.

imho, the biggest exaduration is australia. 22 cities ?!? don't forget that the vast majority of the people live along the coast. and even there only on the south and east coast (with perth as only mentionable city in the west). the rest is hardly populated (except some natives, farmers, and crocodile dundee's ).

and something else strange: just the city of seoul has approx. 20 million people. israel iirc only 6-8 million... in total! and still, south korea has only two cities, israel three?

so basicly my opinion is:
reduce russian, american and australian cities
add chinese, indian and indonesian ones.

[Jaguar]

Originally posted by PriestOfDiscord
How are you going to model the densely packed areas? I know your doing things for the economic centers of the world, will you be doing the same for the massively overpopulated places to show their huge manpower?

Of course. Resources with lots of extra food.

Numbers are still fluctuating. Those were just rough estimates so I wouldn't go way over or way under the limit.

jason, the scenario is in progress, as is clearly stated in the title.

sabrewolf, I will probably reduce Israel to 2 cities. The three cities don't fit within Israels RL borders.

US city numbers feel good to me. I've put down the cities and they aren't very densely packed.

Russia I'm not sure about as I haven't started work on it yet. Ditto for China.

I would like to give Indonesia a few more cities.

India has enough cities, as I will prove with an image:

[Jaguar]

Forgot to say: that's India with 22 cities. I still have 4 Indian cities in reserve in case I decide I need them.

General announcement: All cities have been placed except for Russia, China, Argentina, Brazil, Eastern Europe, and some of Canada. That's about 33% of all cities.

Lastly, SK. As you can see, it's nearly impossible to add a third city without major inaccuracy. I could move Pyongyang up, but that wouldn't be accurate. I could also put a city on the offshore island of Cheju, but I don't believe that island is at all important in the grand scheme of things.

[Jaguar]

Originally posted by sabrewolf
jason, actually you're right. why do the US and russia have so many cities? the US has "only" a quarter a million people, while china is over a billion and india is close to that billion. i think by area china and the states are similar (i'm just guessing here). shouldn't there be at least the same many?

China owns Tibet. That's a vast area of unpopulated land. Though if I do add cities anywhere, China, Indonesia, and Iran are my first priorities.

Here is Tibet. Do you see why I don't feel the need to pack it with cities?

[Jaguar]

Finished Eastern Europe, which BTW was much huger than I thought.

I will now embark upon the great journey: Russia. So much space, so many cities! As of right now, I have done... 25. (edited for updates)

[Yahweh Sabaoth]

JW, keep up the good work!

[iamjason]

I don't want to beat a dead horse, but you know you can place fewer cities in Russia and Australia and then just raise their starting culture values to extend the borders properly. You wouldn't want to have done all the work I saw earlier in this thread to get accurate military unit numbers but then have Russia with half again the population of China.

Or are you taking care of this by placing lots of Russian cities with low populations? This could solve a lot of problems, because you could concentrate a ton of population in Korea's few cities.

Or are you not worrying about population levels? I guess I wouldn't blame you--it's a huge project I could see where it would become too time consuming, especially if you're adding city improvements as well.