SCENARIO: The United States Civil War

[Kramerman]

do i need v1.29 to play the scenario?

[Jon Shafer]

Yep.

[Kramerman]

Damn it! That wouldn't normally be a problem with my cable back home *sob* but this dial up is killing me! *breaks down in tears*

[NeoStar]

My God

I looked at this at the start and three more pages have already sprung up! You sure chose the right historical event, Trip.

It may be a bit late, but are there going to be any of those famous civilwar 'Sharpshooters' units?

Here's a bit about them at About.com=

...for the Confederacy Sharpshooter's were a very Important asset as well. Just look at Fredrickburg ... The Confederate Sharpshooter for the technology of the day was a highly accurate marksman and effective skirmisher... You may expect a common Civil War sharpshooter's rifle to have an accuracy of about 3 to 4.5 MOAs--equal to a common modern-day hunting rifle... Many also carried teloscopic sight's ...

Snipers are cool

Hmm-how would a sniper work in games terms? I suppose it could have lethal bombard or be invisible or both. Even hidden nationality? Can't decide.

[Jon Shafer]

Hmmmm... I like that idea.
I think I'll call them "Skirmishers". They'll be invisible, have movement of 3, low stats, but a bombard value (so they can snipe at units, but not directly engage).

Any suggestions on stats?

Oh, by the way, here's a screenshot of the "Battle of Manassas".
Testing should be done in a couple days.

[NeoStar]

Originally posted by Trip
Hmmmm... I like that idea.
I think I'll call them "Skirmishers". They'll be invisible, have movement of 3, low stats, but a bombard value (so they can snipe at units, but not directly engage).

Looking at your union rifleman I'd say:
4 attack, 5 defence(-1HP), 4 bombard, ROF 3, setting=lethal. Suggestion though, you need to playtest obvoiusly.

If they're invisible I'd try it before giving them 3 movement. They might become impossible to catch.

BTW its your scn but skirmishers imply direct combat. "Sharpshooters" may not work either. If they can bombard they can damage cities (pop/bldgs)

[The Pioneer]

Looking very sweet there Trip! I can't wait to get my hands on the scenario!

[Ed O'War]

I'm not so sure about giving sharpshooters a high bombardment ROF. After all, snipers usually operate in small units, even during the Civil War. With a bombardment ROF of 3, they could potentially wipe out entire units of infantry--not very realistic. Usually snipers/sharpshooters just picked off officers or key enemy personnel. As an alternative, how about giving them a zero-range bombardment of Strength 4-6, with ROF 1, as well as low direct combat stats and a minus to hit points. That way they are more of a support unit, and have to be in a stack with other units in order to bombard. I think this would be a better reflection of their harrassment role against attacking troops. Of course, with zero range bombardment they would only really be effective on the defense.

[Jon Shafer]

Thanks for the interest.
I hope to release either tonight or sometime tomorrow before afternooon.

Right now, Skirmishers stats set at: 5/5/3, BStr 3, BRng 1, RoF 1, Invisible, cost 7.

It'll take some testing to see if that's fair or not, but we'll see.

[NeoStar]

Originally posted by Ed O'War
I'm not so sure about giving sharpshooters a high bombardment ROF. With a bombardment ROF of 3, they could potentially wipe out entire units of infantry--not very realistic.

I sense you dont rate snipers highly.

I guess you're right though, we don't want them to become artillery. If only there was a 'only kill infantry' tag...

[Jon Shafer]

I added the 'Skirmishers' unit.
They're a 4/5/3 with BStr of 3, BRng of 1, RoF of 1, Invisible, cost of 7.

By the way, here's the current fix list:

IX. FIXES:

v1.01
Removed war-wearniness
Added "Home Guard" units to all undefended cities on both sides
Removed "Growth", "Culture" and "Production" flags from Union governor preference

v1.02
Added "Skirmishers" unit; 5/5/3, BStr 4, BRng 1, RoF 1, Invisible, cost 7
Added many rivers
Re-located some cities in Virginia

v1.03
Reduced "Skirmishers" attack rating by 1 down to 4, and BStr down to 3
Gave Skirmishers and both sides' Cavalry the ability to 'detect invisible'
Increased all naval units' movement points
Added some sounds to Cavalry units, and fixed the 'non-animation' bug involving Confederate Cavalry
Added one Artillery unit and Walls to Grand Isle Louisiana
Modified sounds for Warship units
Gave Artillery units lethal sea bombardment
Gave ships lethal sea bombardment

[Il Duce]

Massive Salivation Occuring! But there should be something to illustrate foreign powers. Like have the Europeans in the game as a power that wants Southern goods so the Union player would have to blockade the Southern Harbors, but I don't know if the AI could handle that. Actually I'm pretty sure it can't.

[Jon Shafer]

If trade was better represented in Civ, and there were diplomacy options, then I'd already have added them.
Unfortunately, a situation like Britain and France teaming up with the Union to beat up on the Confederates (something that couldn't/wouldn't ever happen) might occur. Needless to say, that's not something I want in a 'Civil War' scenario.

[trevor]

Trip, possibly you could make Metalic Cartridges a Prerequisite to Reliable Repeating Rifles. BTW I'm a Civil War Reenactor (with the 6th Md. Vol. Inf. Reg.) and I think this will help me get though the waits between battles, a thousand thank yous.

[Jon Shafer]

I couldn't do that, because I don't think there were any Colorado regiments back then, but who knows.

How do you think that Metallic Cartridges would fit into the tech tree and what would they provide?