Armies DO Have Combat Bonus!

[CerberusIV]

I haven't got C3C yet but the comments about berserk armies got my attention.

OK, a 3 berserk army needs a galleon to carry it but is 9/3/2 amphibious blitz. With some bombardment support that should still take out riflemen easily.

A 2 berserk army is 8/3/2 - nearly as good and 10 HP if you put elites into it. And it will fit in a caravel. Muskets defending - no chance!

Even a single berserk in an army becomes 7/2/2 and will go in a galley.

That extra move should make a lot of difference to the move 1 units that were vulnerable to fast units. I never used to worry about seeing a berserk army on land if I had knights - now I will.

[asleepathewheel]

at first I didn't like the change, after losing out on a couple of wonders I wanted desperately.

however now I like the change, I like being forced to create armies with their increased power. makes the game more enjoyable. I would generally keep a leader in reserve for a later wonder (probably sun tzu or leo or later hoover) but now its use the leader immediately in an offensive army.

I have used leaders to rush small wonders, which is a nice little bonus, as you can still build the fp (and palace? haven't tried it yet) (fp of dubious quality, temporarily, I hope)

so for the change

[WarpStorm]

I like the fact that warmongering doesn't produce wonders anymore.

[Kuciwalker]

That extra move should make a lot of difference to the move 1 units that were vulnerable to fast units. I never used to worry about seeing a berserk army on land if I had knights - now I will.

The best thing about it is the army can attack TWICE per turn from the transport.

[vmxa1]

Originally posted by Dominae
Do you guys miss the fact that MGLs cannot rush all Wonders?


Dominae

I did at first, but not now. After getting a bunch of SGL's, I am leaning towards the whole idea of being able to rush a great wonder as too strong. Perhaps if they restricted it to the first SGL only.
The use of the SGL for a boost in research is too weak. One turn saved is not much, especially late in the game when you are getting the tech first all the time. I understand that it represents a lot of beakers, but not much saving of time.

[yxhuvud]

Does the bonuses affect bombarding as well?

Might come up if you do a warlord army in the fall of rome scenario.

15(18)/4/2, against defensive units with at best 4 defense



(if it doesnt, 15(12)/4/2, which is pretty nice as well, especially considering they spawn new units when winning a battle)

[Stuie]

Originally posted by Dominae
Do you guys miss the fact that MGLs cannot rush all Wonders?

No.

I finally got a MGL in my current game (followed by several others in later turns), and I am now fielding quite a few armies of either all tanks, all infantry and one just started loading Mech Infantry. These things are completely awesome!!

Funny thing is, I'm now maxed out for armies and I have a MGL just waiting in my capital until I grab a few more cities. There are no small wonders to rush, and I'd hate to waste him on an "ordinary" build.

[Arrian]

I sorta do... but I recognize it needed changing.

And the most important thing to be able to rush (palace/fp, or at least it will be once they fix the FP) is still rushable by MGLs.

It's too bad there are no naval leaders/fleets, but that's not that big a deal.

-Arrian

[Shogun Gunner]

Originally posted by Arrian

It's too bad there are no naval leaders/fleets, but that's not that big a deal.

-Arrian

Well, under the current C3C rules, unless you got the Jesus of Galilee Great Leader, they would slide into the deep, dark ocean. No transport!

[pauli]

make them airborn, with no fuel limit

[Arrian]

Make 'em naval units - 0/0/4.

-Arrian

[Slax]

I don't remember players complaining about MGLs rushing wonders before C3C. Did this come from the beta?

[vmxa1]

The difference is at the higher levels. In the pre C3C GL generation all had more or less the same chance to get one. You got an elite and won a battle. The level had a small impact.

Now with SGL, you are in a different boat after around Emp. You need to be first to learn a tech. This will be very hard at the highest level until you are well into the game. You may argue that the extra handicap is a good thing and maybe it is, but all I am saying is it is a change.

[Mad Bomber]

Skywalker:

Marines now have a 12 attack, meaning that a full marine army is now a 24/16?/2 amphibious army.

Arrian:

The 4 Cav armies work as advertised, kicking ass with them.

Did any one else note that the Cossacks now have a blitz capability instead of the 4 defense. I think I might give them a try. And the Saphai remain the most overpowered unit in the game.

[Kuciwalker]

Marines now have a 12 attack

Nice. I've always modded my games to have more powerful Marines and Paratroopers.