Civilizations

[Panag]

Originally posted by hoevenpe


Do I understand this correctly?!?

Can we play 31 civ's in one game?!?!?

COOOOLLLLL

hi ,

put them on el mencey's world map , 362 X 362 , can be found in the apolyton directory

have a nice day

[Hagbart]

I agree that the selection of civs is very satisfactory now.

Not including the Vikings in original civ3 was a scandal!

[Alexander I]

Well, it does seem that the old "Must-have-civ" list has diminished down to Khmer, Phoenicia, Aksum, etc. Not too shabby, if I do say so.

[Fried-Psitalon]

The Phoenicians are in the Mespotamia scenario, though you may not care much for their starting position....

[Alexander I]

Oh? Are they vulnerable? What are their stats? Sorry, I don't have Conquests yet.

[Panag]

Originally posted by Fried-Psitalon
The Phoenicians are in the Mespotamia scenario, though you may not care much for their starting position....

hi ,

you can play them , and get far with them , ......

have a nice day

[WarpStorm]

Their starting position is right in the middle in the richest section (the Cedars).

[SirOsis]

Originally posted by Fried-Psitalon
The Phoenicians are in the Mespotamia scenario, though you may not care much for their starting position....

I liked their position. The Cedars of Lebanon are some excellent terrain and the coast is perfect for settling cities to take advantage of the Seafaring trait. The Egyptians to the south had to be contained by a quick war to destroy their settler and isolate the Sinai Peninsula. If you can settle the river to the east you should contain the other civs to the east of you.

I won with Phoenicia on Monarch by building 6 of the 7 wonders.

[Panag]

Originally posted by SirOsis


I liked their position. The Cedars of Lebanon are some excellent terrain and the coast is perfect for settling cities to take advantage of the Seafaring trait. The Egyptians to the south had to be contained by a quick war to destroy their settler and isolate the Sinai Peninsula. If you can settle the river to the east you should contain the other civs to the east of you.

I won with Phoenicia on Monarch by building 6 of the 7 wonders.

hi ,

and voila , proof ones more that it can be done , .......

have a nice day

[Xorbon]

I wish they'd get rid of that 31 civ limit. I'm not saying I want more than 31 civs to appear in a single game. (The game's freakishly slow with 31 civs at it is.) I just think it should be possible to have a choice between more than 31 civs in the start-up menu.

Along with that, another feature I'd like is the ability to 'turn-off' certain civs. 'Turned-off' civs could not be chosen as a random civ by the computer at the start of a game. This would allow the player to keep the computer from choosing the Zulus (for instance) as a civ, while still being able to have random opponents. Turning 'on' and 'off' of civs would be done in the start-up menu.

[Provost Harrison]

Yeah, more than 31 civs at once would be a killer...I am still of PTW and 24 can even tax a 3GHz P4 at times

[Plotinus]

I don't understand this desire to have Israel as a civ - pretty titchy in the grand sweep of history. True, they gave us the Bible (and similar cultural things) - but CivIII doesn't have any way of simulating the effect of one nation's culture on that of another nation, does it? Except for city flipping, of course.

In my opinion, the civs we're really lacking are the African ones - Ghana, Mali, Songhai, Ethiopia, to name the most obvious. I noticed Alexander01 listed Carthage, Egypt, and Zulu as "Africa" above - is there really an "Africa" culture group in this game? I thought Carthage and Egypt were considered Mediterranean (together with Rome and Greece), while Zulus were Middle Eastern (for want of anything better). Has this been changed in Conquests?

I think there's too much emphasis on Europe (come on, Spain *and* Portugal?) - understandable, perhaps. It'd be nice to see Tibet in there, and perhaps some kind of Pacific civ to cover the Polynesians, Maoris, etc. After all, the Celts count as "a" civilisation in this game.

I'd like to see the Assyrians too (after looking at their fabulous relief sculptures in the British Museum the other week! Which, in fact, appear in CivIII's front end somewhere). I'd have had them instead of the Hittites.

Other possibilities include the Avars, but that's getting pretty obscure. I think they did a good job in giving us a good selection of civilisations, all with animated leaders going through four epochs... very imaginative!

[Panag]

Originally posted by Plotinus
I don't understand this desire to have Israel as a civ - pretty titchy in the grand sweep of history. True, they gave us the Bible (and similar cultural things) - but CivIII doesn't have any way of simulating the effect of one nation's culture on that of another nation, does it? Except for city flipping, of course.

In my opinion, the civs we're really lacking are the African ones - Ghana, Mali, Songhai, Ethiopia, to name the most obvious. I noticed Alexander01 listed Carthage, Egypt, and Zulu as "Africa" above - is there really an "Africa" culture group in this game? I thought Carthage and Egypt were considered Mediterranean (together with Rome and Greece), while Zulus were Middle Eastern (for want of anything better). Has this been changed in Conquests?

I think there's too much emphasis on Europe (come on, Spain *and* Portugal?) - understandable, perhaps. It'd be nice to see Tibet in there, and perhaps some kind of Pacific civ to cover the Polynesians, Maoris, etc. After all, the Celts count as "a" civilisation in this game.

I'd like to see the Assyrians too (after looking at their fabulous relief sculptures in the British Museum the other week! Which, in fact, appear in CivIII's front end somewhere). I'd have had them instead of the Hittites.

Other possibilities include the Avars, but that's getting pretty obscure. I think they did a good job in giving us a good selection of civilisations, all with animated leaders going through four epochs... very imaginative!

hi ,

" I don't understand this desire to have Israel as a civ - pretty titchy in the grand sweep of history. True, they gave us the Bible (and similar cultural things) - but CivIII doesn't have any way of simulating the effect of one nation's culture on that of another nation, does it? Except for city flipping, of course. "

well now , that can be said about many of the other civs in the game also , ........

where are the great civs of the old days , they are all gone , what people have survived mass murder to the near brink of annihilation , we as the Jews / Israelis are still standing , we have not changed for 5764 years , ...... where are all those other civs , ..... they are gone , we have seen them all coming , and all go , .......

and today we stand with around 15 million , but we are still there , thats what counts

maybe if we where gone now like the other civs we would have been a natural choice to be put in , .......

so keep your remark for yourself or put it in the OT section , .....

bye

[Plotinus]

Panag, no offence intended - I just think that there are a few contenders from history who might have stronger claims to inclusion than Israel. You are right to highlight longevity as a good trait though. One problem here is that the game doesn't model the conquest of one civilisation by another followed by independence (like India being conquered by Britain but subsequently becoming its own nation again - and Israel being conquered by all kinds of people before becoming an independent country in the twentieth century). After all, Israel hasn't existed continuously as a political unit since its foundation. The only major civilisation I can think of that has done so since extreme antiquity is China. There are quite a few in the same sort of position as Israel (ancient foundation, conquest by foreign invaders, modern reinstatement), such as Greece, Egypt, and, perhaps, many African nations, although they tend to share nothing with their ancient or medieval predecessors apart from their names.

Another disconnected ramble about the problems of mapping real history in CivIII turns, for which I apologise... as I say, no belittling of Israel intended...

[Provost Harrison]

I would have thought that Israel would be quite a handy one to do, as it would be quite easy to model the leaderheads for all times in history (ancient Israel, modern Israel).