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**Six Thousand Year Old Man** · February 4, 2003, 22:03

Re: Re: A foolish dream...

Originally posted by La Fayette

It is linked to map size: IIRC 4 cities on small and medium maps, 6 cities on large maps (and I guess this one IS large).

It's a gigamap... I think that counts as large. I have no idea if the city limit increases on gigamaps (since small/med maps are the same, it can't be a function of the total number of tiles) or for that matter, if all custom maps behave differently from 'regular' maps...

**Bloody Monk** · February 5, 2003, 03:53

About those disbanded cities...

As has been said, the result will not be a NON. It will be attached for support to the nearest city. But remember, the idea was to do this after going to democracy, yes?? By then explosives may be in hand or close. Engineers can scoot over to its city and join twice as fast. An engineer in the city before it disbands can build a road on the empty spot to further speed it up. So, the idea still has merit, I think.

Good luck, guys.

Monk

**La Fayette** · February 5, 2003, 03:53

STYOM
Let me tell you a secret: I love testing (especially when it is easier than what samson did with the demand wildcards

).
So, when I played my turns, I built a few more cities afterwards

.
(IIRC the limit is 6 on THIS map

)

**DrSpike** · February 5, 2003, 06:01

Re: Re: A foolish dream...

Originally posted by La Fayette

It is linked to map size: IIRC 4 cities on small and medium maps, 6 cities on large maps (and I guess this one IS large).

Yes 6. No double unhappies till 12, and we can use cheapass warriors till then. HG will be up if all goes to plan, which will give us even more expansionary power.

I love being sleazy.

**Ben Kenobi** · February 5, 2003, 17:40

for location of specials have you tried Hut Finder?

I'm a Jedi, I avoid the darkside.

I've not tried the hutfinder, though I left everything so that those who want to can.

Should I switch rather than relying on my blind civ skills? What's the opinion of the players here?

**DrSpike** · February 5, 2003, 18:16

Well the point is you can do everything the hutfinder provides using your noddle.....it is just laborious.

**Six Thousand Year Old Man** · February 5, 2003, 18:27

Originally posted by obiwan18

I'm a Jedi, I avoid the darkside.

I've not tried the hutfinder, though I left everything so that those who want to can.

Should I switch rather than relying on my blind civ skills? What's the opinion of the players here?

Kudos to you for avoiding the dark side, young master.

I am anti-hutfinder. Huts are meant to be located randomly. Unfortunately, there's a code to the 'randomness' which has been cleverly picked up by some of the better players... but I think that goes against the spirit of the game.

No offense to the SGs who created the hutfinder... it's just not for me.

**Bloody Monk** · February 5, 2003, 19:16

Say what you will about using the hut finder, especially for finding huts. But there is so much more to the tool. I'm speaking particularly about the 'specials' tab. In spite of the excellent lessons by Straybow and others, I'm still shaky about locating some hidden specials. With the hut-finder tool I have a back check for my 'noodling', and for that I am very appreciative. I hate losing time to mining the wrong grass and not 'finding' a special.

Do you keep handy a copy of Oedo years?? Do you feel guilty using it??....

Monk

edit for spelling Oedo

**La Fayette** · February 5, 2003, 19:21

I don't use the hutfinder either. Neither do I 'click in the black' to find hidden cities and continent numbers.
Poor AI must be given a chance

and I don't wish to play this game (or any other game) with a number of spreadsheets around me and a computer #2 calculating everything I might need.

**Six Thousand Year Old Man** · February 5, 2003, 19:45

I'm dubious about hidden specials. Again, not really in the spirit of the game, IMO. I can usually figure out where they are by the time I'm interested in mining them - but I seldom do it, unless I would have anyway (i.e. foresting a river).

Originally posted by Bloody Monk
Do you keep handy a copy of Oedo years?? Do you feel guilty using it??....

Yes, I keep that handy. No, I don't feel guilty about using it - first, because I usually forget to revolt in the right year and it does me more harm than good

- and second, because it's a matter of degree. Knowing the oedo years don't bother me as much as knowing where all the huts are. For me, knowing what year to revolt in isn't a 'spoiler' the way knowing where all the huts are, is.

@La Fayette - agree with you

re spreadsheets.

**Bloody Monk** · February 5, 2003, 19:59

Black clicking is like using over the horizon radar. (ducks)

Some of us--well, me-- are not so accomplished as the better players like you La Fayette. We (I) need these aids to compete at your level, I think.

I bet we agree that having fun is the key consideration. And so, to each his own.

In the beginning days we probably all did such things as reloading. As we improved, those 'bad' habits dropped off and we began to play 'straight'. In this sense, your way may, indeed, be the future for me.

But until then, I don't mind being in the wake of SG[1] and others.

Monk

**Bloody Monk** · February 5, 2003, 20:20

STYOM,

I'm not sure what you mean mentioning "the spirit of the game." If you meant "in the spirit of (my) game," then the comment begins to make more sense. And for sure, everyone should play by their own 'code of laws'. But your tone borders on a superiority that is making a judgement about using received and applied wisdom. Is that what you mean??

I agree with not using multiple computer's to 'game' the game.

Monk

**DrSpike** · February 5, 2003, 20:25

Originally posted by Six Thousand Year Old Man

Huts are meant to be located randomly. Unfortunately, there's a code to the 'randomness' which has been cleverly picked up by some of the better players... but I think that goes against the spirit of the game.

I agree in principle that it should be random, but it isn't, and you know the pattern by now. Hut finder or not you know where to go to find the next hut.......why not make it easy?

**Six Thousand Year Old Man** · February 5, 2003, 20:34

Originally posted by DrSpike

I agree in principle that it should be random, but it isn't, and you know the pattern by now. Hut finder or not you know where to go to find the next hut.......why not make it easy?

In fact I don't know the hut pattern, and have made it a point not to find out.

If I ever try multiplayer, I'll need to learn that, of course.

**SCG** · February 5, 2003, 20:48

finished my turn (i think?) counting the start at 2450 that hadn't had any units moved, i finished 12 turns of movement - got Currency, Trade and 2 turns from Literacy. Founded 2 cities and are a couple turns from founding 2 more if the next player so chooses

(pondered playing 2 more turns

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