4 goodness sake

[biru biru]

The modding engine in civ4 is rumored to be V-12 and turbo-charged.

possibly, as examples; the unit formation editor, hot swapping of assets, Python scripting for the WorldBuilder, a Python interpreter console, L-System city building, Python editible UI, colored map overlays, and more. (thnx civ fanatics, warpstorm) GameDeveloper Magazine is excited, but costs money to read the article.

Anyway, just currious; if the scenario tools (and game itself, i suppose) are good enough in civ 4, would you consider abandoning civ2?

[Patine]

At this point, hell no! I'm happy with Civ 2's engine; the newer strategy games' editors always frustrate me to tears.

[curtsibling]

I will always have a place in my heart for CIV2...

[N35t0r]

Since civ IV will not work on my machine due to flisshy-flashy graphics, no.

[Stefan Härtel]

Re: 4 goodness sake

Originally posted by biru biru
The modding engine in civ4 is rumored to be V-12 and turbo-charged.

possibly, as examples; the unit formation editor, hot swapping of assets, Python scripting for the WorldBuilder, a Python interpreter console, L-System city building, Python editible UI, colored map overlays, and more.

I feel like an illiterate... what is Python? L-System? UI? V-12?

What four years of not keeping in touch with the computer game world can do to you...

[Mercator]

V-12 is some sort of big car engine, with 12 cylinders I suppose. So he's comparing the "modding engine" of Civ4 to a spiffy car engine.

Python is a computer programming language. So we'd have the full power of a programming language to do events etc. rather than just the fairly simple events macro thing we have now.

UI means user interface.

L-System seems to be something fractal-ish. A grammar some biologist devised to describe plant-growth.


In any case, none of those have anything to do with computer games specifically, so you don't have to worry just yet.

[Broken_Erika]

python as in Monty-Python?

Monty-Python's Civilization 4

[Mercator]

Well, actually, I think the guy who created the Python programming language named it after Monty Python... But it's an already existing language, so completely unrelated to Civ4 other than that Civ4 uses it.

[N35t0r]

Originally posted by Mercator


V-12 is some sort of big car engine, with 12 cylinders I suppose. So he's comparing the "modding engine" of Civ4 to a spiffy car engine.

12 Cylinders set in a V-shape, with one and one alternating towards each direction. Different from the in-line design of most 4-cylinder cars, and radial engines used in certain mid WW-2 airplanes (and I don't know what else)

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Originally posted by N35t0r



12 Cylinders set in a V-shape, with one and one alternating towards each direction. Different from the in-line design of most 4-cylinder cars, and radial engines used in certain mid WW-2 airplanes (and I don't know what else)

I had a Mazda RX-7 with one . I think the RX-8's did too.

[biru biru]

Busted agian trying to sound smarter than I am by copy-pasting sections of text. I've really never known anything about cars.

Anyway, thanks Mercator for the second line links Especially the stuff on python: That the game programmers are giving deep access to the game, for customizing events and such, sounds great!

Of course, learning a programming language, even a 'flexible' and 'fun' one (thnx to wikipedia link above) is a bit much for me to bite off. With enough dedicated programmers working on it, the rest of us can hope for tutorials and help enough to get it eventually, if the civ 2 community is any indication though.

Anyway, I'm still learning, and loving, civ 2. Admit that I have high hopes for civ 4.

I'll do some more browsing this week for other clues as to what the modding engine will look like. V-shaped, F-shaped, U-shaped, let's C it...!

[biru biru]

Oh yeah, that stuff about Monty Python seems true, at least from the same wikipedia article...

[biru biru]

These guys at civ fanatics are working on learning the programming languages for the modding engine:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=97183

with big wrenches

[fairline]

Originally posted by Six Thousand Year Old Man

I had a Mazda RX-7 with one . I think the RX-8's did too.

Actually you didn't - you had a rotary (****el) engine in your RX-7 (stop s******ing at the back - I said ****el!).

You'll find V-12's in the bigger-engined Ferraris (512s etc) for example.


EDIT: ROTFL, the damned Apolyton censor won't let me say W ankel

[cousarmy0001]

or, for those of you who are more familiar with the aircraft units on this site than you are with overpriced Italian cars, for an example of an excellent V-12, look no further than the Allison engine that powered the P-40, P-39, P-38, and P-51a/A-36

for an example of a fair V-12, look no further than the P-51B/C/D, Spitfire, and i believe Lancaster and Hurricane.

and in answer to the initial question, i don't think i'll ever stop playing civ2. some day, in the far off distant future, my kids (or more likely, my nephews and nieces) will scoff at me, never realizing how awesome of a game it is.

civ2 can be modified so easily- even i can pull it off- with all of the games that have come out since, i can't imagine any new games coming out that can be modified without a four year degree in programming and graphic arts.