Free-for-all Succession Game

[Bloody Monk]

Originally posted by Grigor
Monk - Weren't we basically in Fundy where those improvements are free tax generators? Plus, we have Adam Smith so the incremental cost on Temples is zero.

In my recent turnset in Republic (!), I focused on what I hope will be the last period of WLTCD growth for our glorious Civ. Some white goods needed to be bought for growth purposes. Since I contemplated a quick return to Fundy I didn't want to sell off any potential tithe machines. And if somebody gets the Oracle we get double the fun.

I still expect to be facing an extended trip to the Institute, but not, I think, over this issue.

Lots of turns in Democracy so not tax free. And colosseum is not covered by Adam Smith. And Oracle will double nothing that Shake's hasn't already covered.

And to be completely cost accountant about it, the colosseum is not tax free even under Fundy. It makes 3 content = 3 tithes, but has a maintenance of 4 per turn.

And this is a new issue but why have 50% science under Fundy?? Science under Fundy is better done by deliveries, especially after getting your trade cities to celebrate.

Monk

[debeest]

The temple is free and will mostly generate money, so it should be kept. The colosseum costs more than it generates even in fundy, so it should be sold. In fact, if Shakespeare's was already there, the colosseum shouldn't have been built in the first place. I have to admit, looking for things to sell is something I only do when I have granaries and Pyramids or maybe Sun Tzu and barracks, or at the time when I build Shakespeare's. In my own games, these things rarely happen except when I capture cities, so that's pretty much the only time when I sell anything.

[Sparrowhawk]

I agree with debeest, the only improvements I am likely to sell are those which are completely useless (eg. granary when you have pyramids). Otherwise I think it is better to keep what you have built, as you must have built it for a reason and therein lies Bloody Monks point I think...white goods should only be built where there is a reason to build them, if no good reason to build any of the available white goods.......build a camel. (at least that is this newly permanent resident of the institutes take on city build orders strategy).

[Scouse Gits]

Woah up there!!

Tithe generators do NOT have upkeep under Fundy!

Either that or I need some re-education at The Institute!

Stu

[Bloody Monk]

Originally posted by Scouse Gits
Woah up there!!

Tithe generators do NOT have upkeep under Fundy!

Either that or I need some re-education at The Institute!

Stu

Of course you are correct, Stu. It's even in the manual!!

I'll go to The Institute (as soon as someone builds it) AFTER I get back from hospital, from which I seem to have left too soon. Whatever was I thinking??

I went over the top trying to emphasize what I still think is a valid point. While in Democracy, in a city with Shake's, a temple and a colosseum was built. Completely unnecessary use of shields and coin, I believe. Since then, every ruler has changed the Gov't; Fundy, Dem, Fundy again. It will no doubt be changed again. While they have value in Fundy, they will be a drag in Dem or Com.

And about that cost accounting point...cue Roseanne Roseannadanna to say in her high pitched voice, "Never Mind."

Monk

[debeest]

Um.... I'll see you at the Institute, Monk. I'll be the one using an eyebrow pencil to clean the grouting.

[-Jrabbit]

Originally posted by Bloody Monk
I'll go to The Institute (as soon as someone builds it) AFTER I get back from hospital, from which I seem to have left too soon. Whatever was I thinking??

Hang in there, Monk.

Be a good boy so the nice doctors will let you come out and play on occasion.
My thoughts are with you.

[Bloody Monk]

Let's Hear it for KRC

When KRC was built around 400ad there was a general level of uneasiness expressed. But looking back over the way the game progressed, it seems to have paid off well and lasted about 1400 yrs.

So hat's off to Grigor!!

I think we stopped building KRC because it seemed to come late and expire early. It will take someone with a clearer head than mine to say why it worked so well this time, and I hope to see some discussion about this, please.

Monk (thinking of Templars )

[Elephant]

KRC did lead to some level of frustration with Central City: several people expressed dispair at "wasting" it on caravan building since it was in the mid 30's.

If Eng is early enough KRC is a good deal. Starlifter at CFC did an analysis once that showed that KRC gives you a high-production city (pair it with Shakes) well before the pollution techs kick in to burden you with cleanup. Use it for pounding out camels or rehoming your fleet; either way it more than pays for itself. What turns people off to KRC is neglecting to build it early enough and pairing it with Shakes to get that city maxed out.

400 to 1800 is about 100 turns, and for a maxed city that should be 10-15 shields per turn, so it brought in 1000 to 1500 shields in that time. Sounds like it was worth it.

[Bloody Monk]

Originally posted by Elephant
KRC did lead to some level of frustration with Central City: several people expressed dispair at "wasting" it on caravan building since it was in the mid 30's.

If Eng is early enough KRC is a good deal.

400 to 1800 is about 100 turns, and for a maxed city that should be 10-15 shields per turn, so it brought in 1000 to 1500 shields in that time. Sounds like it was worth it.

Yep, I think so too!!

Too bad it wasn't used to churn out Clads; but I suppose nobody wanted to go to war that early. Not that that would make anyone a wimp.

Monk

[Rasputin]

Originally posted by Bloody Monk


went over the top trying to emphasize what I still think is a valid point. While in Democracy, in a city with Shake's, a temple and a colosseum was built. Completely unnecessary use of shields and coin, I believe. Since then, every ruler has changed the Gov't; Fundy, Dem, Fundy again. It will no doubt be changed again. While they have value in Fundy, they will be a drag in Dem or Com.
Monk

whilst the government being changed so much, and with obvious benifits whilst in fundy, perhaps a good idea that the white stuff not sold yet... i guess once you are pretty sure you are stable and not going to use fundy much, then is the time to sell the white gear .... just a thoguht

[Old n Slow]

Yes, the Bloody one has a point -- I had my fingers on the ball for a few turns and could have sold the (junk) for a few coins...

But the bigger question remains -- is it my turn yet?

[-Jrabbit]

Originally posted by Old n Slow
But the bigger question remains -- is it my turn yet?

Sadly, NO.

The four most recent (and thus ineligible) players are -- in reverse order --
Grigor
Old n Slow
debeest
Rasputin

Anyone else may play.

Eligible posters in this thread -- SG [1], Elephant, Sparrowhawk, La Fayette, duke o' york, Zedd, Bloody Monk, and myself (busy with Dirty right now)...

SOMEBODY PLEASE JUMP IN!!!

[-Jrabbit]

We started with four players in a day.

Now it's been 4 days without any players.

[Bloody Monk]

Originally posted by -Jrabbit
We started with four players in a day.

Now it's been 4 days without any players.

Real Life can be a babe or a b*tch.

Monk