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  • Sure, you can have territorial soveriginity over the former German Empire. What you were asking for before, was your allies land too. And, you don't have to recognize the treaty. It is a bilateral treaty between two old friends. Nothing in it requires your agreement or acceptance.
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    • France will never tolerate a communist Turkey, neither nazi Poland, Romania, Bulgaria and Eastern Turkey.
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      • Soviet Union will only take the Finnish cities of Helsinki and Oulu and the Turkish cities of Ankara and Kayseri. We are interested in securing Leningrad and The Caucasus, not occupying neutral countries that really don't benefit us at all. The USSR could have opposed the German invasion of Lithuania, as the country clearly belongs in the Soviet sphere, but we wanted to evade a conflict and backed down. We were not interested in expanding borders further west because it is vain.

        We agree with Germany that Poland, Romania, Bulgaria and Western Turkey are legally hers. France should mind her own business and stop causing crises that will eventually draw the whole Europe into a bloody war.


        A crowd of Turkish communists celebrate the new peace treaty between Britain and the USSR. Future looks bright indeed...
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        • And, you don't have to recognize the treaty
          When the future of a souvereign nation is at stake I have exactly the same rights as you have. If you feel that it is correct to give away what is not rightfully yours, I feel perfectly right to acquire what should rightfully be German. I am aware that the regions mentioned in the treaty are belonging to the Russian sphere of influence but then, Germany has ungranted territorial rights, too.

          What has the USA to say about all this?
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            • Well, first of all, let me tell you that (believe it or not) USA isn´t the ruler of the world and we don´t have the power to decide the fate of sovereign nations.

              Let´s see...

              Anglo-Russian Treaty
              Article 2: The Soviet Union's territorial soverignity shall extend to the borders of the former Russian Empire and shall include the Republic of Turkey.
              USA thinks that this is nonsense. Neither USRR nor Britain have the right to include Turkey in the negotiations. USSR and UK went to "war" not Turkey. they didn´t even "fight" in turkish soil.

              German answer:
              Germany demands the same benefits that are granted to Russia. This means extending the German borders to the Allies of Germany in WW1, Poland, Romania, Bulgaria and Eastern Turkey.
              Germany already annexed some territories. No need to expand more
              However, we support german point of view regarding the "russian benefits" in Turkey.

              More of germany:
              Why should Russia get what remains forbidden for Germany? Germany also wants its former borders back and what gives you the right to 'gift' the souvereign Turkish Republic to Russia?
              Former borders? Russia had former borders in Turkish soil? have they ever owned turkey?
              And Germany is asking for former allies land, not own land.

              UK:
              Sure, you can have territorial soveriginity over the former German Empire. What you were asking for before, was your allies land too.
              Agree with that.

              And, you don't have to recognize the treaty. It is a bilateral treaty between two old friends. Nothing in it requires your agreement or acceptance.
              Agree with that... but "old friends"
              Anyway, not recognizing that treaty may lead to unpleasant consequences for everyone. UK and USSR must know that.


              USSR:
              Soviet Union will only take the Finnish cities of Helsinki and Oulu and the Turkish cities of Ankara and Kayseri. We are interested in securing Leningrad and The Caucasus, not occupying neutral countries that really don't benefit us at all. The USSR could have opposed the German invasion of Lithuania, as the country clearly belongs in the Soviet sphere, but we wanted to evade a conflict and backed down. We were not interested in expanding borders further west because it is vain.
              Your actions contradict your statements.

              We agree with Germany that Poland, Romania, Bulgaria and Western Turkey are legally hers. France should mind her own business and stop causing crises that will eventually draw the whole Europe into a bloody war.
              This is weird...


              Germany again:
              When the future of a souvereign nation is at stake I have exactly the same rights as you have. If you feel that it is correct to give away what is not rightfully yours, I feel perfectly right to acquire what should rightfully be German. I am aware that the regions mentioned in the treaty are belonging to the Russian sphere of influence but then, Germany has ungranted territorial rights, too.
              So... it seems that Russia and Germany should begin to negotiate and divide eastern europe between them.



              To sum up, this is pure diplomatic bull****.
              Everybody have their own territorial claims. Of course UK and France are the ones who may get the smaller piece of the cake...
              USA feels unpleasant and dizzy about these stupid european territorial problems. You already led the world to a global conflict... do you want to do it again?

              I STRONGLY suggest you to make up your mind and solve these problems.
              Just a warning:
              If you want to ignore neutral nations sovereignity and capture their lands, ok. you can do it. But remember what happened 20 years ago.

              Please, don´t disturb USA with nuisances. Time is money!!
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                • I don't care what happens with the neutrals if the people are not persecuted for their religious and political beliefs. And don't threaten us by attacking Greece, or we will respond.
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                  • Originally posted by academia
                    This is weird...

                    So... it seems that Russia and Germany should begin to negotiate and divide eastern europe between them.
                    Eastern Europe was already divided over a year ago. We agreed that the Balkans and Istanbul belong to Germany. I would still like to honor that agreement.

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                    • I will only quote myself:
                      Originally posted by Kobra
                      France will never tolerate a communist Turkey, neither nazi Poland, Romania, Bulgaria and Eastern Turkey.
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                      • Originally posted by Squonk


                        Eastern Europe was already divided over a year ago. We agreed that the Balkans and Istanbul belong to Germany. I would still like to honor that agreement.
                        So do I.
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                        • Preparing for war, praying for peace.
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                            • Originally posted by POTUS
                              Preparing for war, praying for peace.
                              Are you kidding? You drive the wohle world into war and pray for peace? LOL
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                              • Might I remind you that Germany and Russia are the two countries in the world annexing neutral nations at the moment. Well, France feels obliged to stand up for these defenseless nations. And it was Russia that declared war upon Great Briton, unprovoked I might add, in the first place. France won't stand watching the world be coloured brown and red anymore. Make up your mind; War or peace?
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