Imperialism 1870 v2.0 PBEM

[Darius871]

Originally posted by conmcb25
If someone is REALLY uncomfortable, I would suggest they bow out, with no hard feelings from the rest of us.

Germanos has said twice that he'll go with the majority decision here if needs be, and I don't think there'd be enough interest for a second game.

Originally posted by conmcb25
Darius what are you doing at that PBEM at CDG? (Or wherever it is)

We don't even have enough players yet. Once it's fo sho that we'll start the game, I'll bring the matter up.

Originally posted by conmcb25
Also on slowing the research is there anyway to do that permanantly in the scenario? Instead of hex editing the .net file?

The reason why I ask is because if this works we sohould make a recommendation to exile to possibly include it a variant to the scenario.

Yaro originaly gave me an edited .scn, which is what I tested with. If we play with this method for a few turns and it doesn't blow up our computers, I think we should recommend it too. It'd have to be heavily tested before he'd have Spanish Civ2 and CFC edit their downloads.

I'd like to hear his opinion on this anyway; perhaps he already tried this idea and canned it due to unforeseen problems.

[Darius871]

Originally posted by germanos
No.
4424 Japanese beakers against 5026 US beakers for a tech means 1.14 japanese techs against one US tech, not the other way around.

Ok, I see what you mean (and why you chose a 0% research rate; turns per discovery is equal to total beakers that way). With the edited file, Japan's 'advantage' over the U.S. (due to lower tech count) is decreased from 14% to 4%. I still stand by my statement that this amount is insignificant, and that it will be moreso when tech trading equalizes the number of techs each civ has.

[germanos]

[germanos hurries back from math class to social studies]

My votes still stand.

[Darius871]

While I think it'd be a ridiculous waste of time due to the equilibrium that will come from tech trading, Yaro said he'd make a new file so I'll forego playing the turn. There are two options I can see:

1) Make it so that every civ has the same number of techs.
2) Make it so that one civ's standard and edited tech numbers have the same proportion to another civ's standard and edited tech numbers. In other words: in the original version Japan has 12.5% less techs than the U.S. (28/32), and in the current edited version they have 3.7% (103/107). A new edited version with 94 techs for Japan would make them have 12.5% less again. This same process would be used to determine the tech number of the other civs.

Which change do you have in mind?

[yaroslav]

Originally posted by Darius871

I'd like to hear his opinion on this anyway; perhaps he already tried this idea and canned it due to unforeseen problems.

There are two things I'm not comfortable with, and I want to tell you

1) I have not edited the barbarian's tech counter, so the barbarian still research at their original rate (not a big problem imho)

2) If the AI controls any civ, it is going to be very agressive, I think, because AI's agressiveness raises when the tech counter of a human's player is raised (also, it's not a big problem imho)

So, none of them are big problems in my humble opinion.

And about beaker cost/tech number, I don't know what is the exact formula. You're supposing that it is lineal, and I agree; however, it's not tested, and Darius' "b suggestion" couldn't be the best if it is not lineal. However, as I've said, I think that there is not a big bussiness, for two reason:

A) In MP, The experience told me that in this game, tech trading and alliance pretty creates a balanced situation about techs.

B) In SP, the human player is good enough to defeat the AI, even if the advantage is somewhat reduced.

However, I'm willing to do any other modification you want

[germanos]

There is allready a majority vote on playing with your modified file Yaroslav, so you can lay back and enjoy your tapas.

Enjoy it before a job messes with it

[JamesJKirk]

BUMP Darius

[Darius871]

Sorry, I forgot we agreed to go as-is.

Remember your CivDip files guys!

To Russia
To France
To Japan

[conmcb25]

Originally posted by Darius871
Sorry, I forgot we agreed to go as-is.

Remember your CivDip files guys!

OK Darius just exactly what are we doing here?

[Darius871]

You'll see when you load it. Offer of full alliance, gifting you three techs.

[conmcb25]

OK, Great.

Now how are we continueing with the game? Are we using the changed .net file with reduced effect for science with respect to trade units?

And do we still have a changed .scn file so this experiment can be recreated?

Just wondering because if we are going to try this and it works, it would be nice if we could actually recreate it.

[conmcb25]

OK and just a reminder its Academia's turn.

[academia]

DAMN!!!!
A french and a german vessels are blocking the english channel
Please, don´t do that again!!!!

[PinkyGen]

Germans moved after me, so we blame them.

Darius, what version of civdip are you using? (I don't think I've used it since Colonies 3, so I'll need to update). I assume I'll also get the ability to government switch using civdip?

[JamesJKirk]

Sorry, I don't remember blocking anything, though. I won't let it happen again