Lizzy's rise to greatness

[MJW]

Well you already know why I joined so I’ll cut to the chase. It’s nice to know that all the archives will be opened at the end of the game and of course I’m male.

RB posted this publically after they lost (in an excel sheet where they put all their games):
“Spanish Apolyton died at the hands of CFC and CFR. Civforum.de threw most of their army against a very weak WPC in retaliation for WPC's foolish decision to attack them very early in the game. RB consequently swept through and eliminated Civforum.de, claiming most of the cities to WPC's annoyance. Despite some excellent play to this point, RB did not account for the dangers of tall poppy syndrome coupled with full diplo. Most of the other teams correctly identified RB as the clear runaway and organized an epic dogpile. RB found themselves fighting on three or four fronts simultaneously, and combined with at least one tactical blunder which lost a large chunk of their army, this sealed their fate. (But there is some amazing footage in the vault hoping to not see the light of day.)”

I would guess that big RB power-drop was caused by the blunder.

mzprox, I think this is your civ at this point and you can do whatever you want. The only two logical things to do are quit (because there’s no way this game would even finish. The fastest way to do it and have our civ not get hijacked like the Mayas is to gift all our cities to someone like SANCTA did in an intrasite CFC demogame forcing the game to end.) The other plan is to try to take out Maya. We should of course try and push CFC to do more and other civs to attack them. I’m not good enough at Civ4 to comment on the micro. A third plan is to troll Aztecs but that’s not logical as the best way to troll them would be to give our cities to CFC.

I think the biggest problems with this game are:

1. Takes too long. Not avoidable unless you don’t use basic rules. This makes everyone leave so unless you are CFC or RB (which are active enough to not suffer from that) you basically end up with demo-game in name only. This happened in all three Civ3 demogames (Apolyton didn’t suffer in the first one but other teams did). The bright side is that unless you crash and burn at the start of the game (like Trip did when he lead Lux Invinata or WPC in this game) no-one can prove your team was bad. If there is somehow a Civ6 demogame I’m going to push hard for quick speed…

2. RB being allowed to join. Not because they are condescending but because ether two things would happen. They ether win the game or they get dogpiled and die. If they get dogpiled a bunch civs get handed extra cities just from geography and not from earning anything. That’s just too inbalancing for the game to mean anything. If they had won anyway this game would just have been a repeat of the intrasite demogame and a waste of everyone’s time.

3. WPC blowing their load at the Germans at the start of the game. This would insure that they would die and hand their land to other players.

It really sucks they were able to sucker punch you with that GG.

[OzzyKP]

I approved MJW. So if he comes by here... welcome!

I also posted on WPC to see if anyone left over there wanted to join us also.

[mzprox]

Don't worry i'm watching the game. i knew cfc hadn't played so the game had to be reloaded. It is just as always : very very slow.

[Hercules]

It looks like the game was reloaded.

Yes indeed it was. I haven't looked in again though.

[OzzyKP]

It looks like the game was reloaded.

[Hercules]

Mzprox: I presume you are available to play with 10 hrs (of our side of conflict) remaining.

[Hercules]

Ok Just got into the game. Roamed around. We have a serious army. But also as mzprox said we now have Flight. With a turn like this you are prompted for each completed build, to choose units or whatever. I chose options easily changeable. I also chose Robotics for next tech, but of course it can be changed. Where it was within a turn or 2 I chose build airport.

Though we have lost Aurora (I can see the ruins), Maya looks conquerable. Also it looks like CFC are showing further interest in helping us to that end.

[Hercules]

I think there is no point joining to this game at this time, but i have no objection either.

I almost agree with this sentiment, except that with mzprox's skill there still is a lot of gameplay left to which to contribute to the discussion.


I presume he/she means 'archive' rather 'achieve' without permission, which raises an interesting point. I can't remember (must check) but did all teams agree at the outset that they would open their ISDG archives to other teams at the end of the game.

[mzprox]

I think there is no point joining to this game at this time, but i have no objection either.

[OzzyKP]

I got this PM:

Your the only one who can let me in as Robert is has been AWOL for a long time.

I don't know if you know me at all so I'll just go over why I'm applying now.

I didn't know about this game until this thread: http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showt...id=6872&page=2

It's kind of pointless to join a dead team and Apolyton is the only other site I have had a connection with (although I'm inactive I have 900+ posts). So I applied-- the fact that this will probably be the last (not just Civ4) ISDG ever is interest enough.

Feel free to accept or reject me. I would be okay if I'm rejected especially if the team is dead as you would be basically releasing an achieve without permission. If that happens I'll just wait until the game ends and CFC releases their forums.

Any objection to letting him in?

(speak frankly, I can delete these posts if he joins)

[mzprox]

I think there is no point, I've asked them many times to make the game quicker. Uciv and civfr make their turns quick, but the other 3 teams (including me) spends 4+hours in game just to finish one turn. I try to do it as soon as possible, but cp and cfc can't, they always pause the game.
Btw I was on holyday, there was one turn since our capital's been destroyed, the situation is very bad.. we lost too much.. now I work on destroying the aztec. There are plans to find weak spots on their defense: to cut roads with spies under their stack, to get the upper hand in the inner sea and eventually raze their coastal cities etc.
As you know we pushed against maya last turn, they retreated. After some debate we (with cfc) concluded that there is no point continuing the attack, it would be too costly and risky, especially since aztec has many tanks in the area. So instead I just razed the mayan border city reducing the border tension and then sending most of our mayan contingent to the aztec front. It takes 4 turns to get there. I think about that time we should be ready for a direct assault of aztec land. I will try to keep up poduction till then.
Next turn we will get flight, a new era will start, race for ruling the skies..

[Hercules]

Can I just say, I 've tried to log in to the game and/ or looked for an opportunity to do so over the past 10 days.

What with thunderstorms over Norway (Caledorn host base) leading to interruptions and then World mod kick in and then slow play (so it would seem) by some Civs, there has not been much reported progress.

What I am saying is this: This game will die very soon unless there is the will to play quicker, more than 1 turn every 15+ days.

And if there are no objections I will post this sentiment in the CFC Demo forum.

[OzzyKP]

Good. You are the best we've got.

But yea, I can imagine how horribly demoralizing this must be, for you especially. That city was hugely important and they destroyed it with a cheap trick...

[mzprox]

To ensure that aztec downfall I will continue on for now. We probably cant win the game, especially if after this war we face cfc+uciv, but aztec will not win for sure.

[Hercules]

I think you are more capable than me. I will look in when I am allowed, to see the situation.