Destiny of Empires [Diplo Game] [Organization Thread]

[Ottoman Empire (DoE)]

Obviously "neutral" is a somewhat subjective term. Obvioulsy Russia would prefer a pro-Russia sub, and Israel would prefer a pro- Israel sub, but since Arabs are currently pro-Russia, a non-pro Russia sub would be inherrently pro -Israel, because it would mean that the sub was necessarily less pro Russia than Arabia was before, thus the sub would be helping Russia less against Israel than Arabs were before, which unavoidably helps Israel.

In other words, those who are asking for a "neutral" sub are really saying they want a sub, that is not pro-Russian, a sub that is not the way Arabia was before, but instead more inclined to help Israel by NOT supporting Russia as much. In that sense, there can be no neutral sub. There can either be a pro Russia sub or a pro Israel sub. If you are not as pro Russia as Arabia was before then you are pro Israel, as this will help Israel. There is really no way around this truth.

My point is that no matter which way the sub goes, choosing to maintain the status quo, or doing a 180 by withdrawing or reducing support, someone will say its not fair. If the sub continues to support Russia, Israel will say its not fair, and if the sub turns on Russia, Russia will say its not fair. No one has the morally superior argument. The sub will do what the sub does, and play will continue. Someone will be happy and someone will be mad and that's the point. Expectations, and hopes and deals and dissapointments and betrayals, revenge and retribution, ups and downs.

That's what makes the game fun. All that matters is that we get a human player to take over the Arabs so its not an AI or absentee civ. Russians volunteered, so they should have taken over, but they dont, because for whatever reason, a pro Israel sub is preferred over a pro Russia one, maybe its because Russia has a higher score than Israel, who knows but anyway, great, Incas take over. Whatever, play on, and see what happens. Thats what makes the game interesting. Sometimes things go your way and sometimes they dont. Sometimes your enemies defeat you and sometimes you win. Thats just how it goes. There is no "fair" there is only what I want and what you want, nothing else.

I like Inca as a sub BTW, they will at least be engaged in the game if nothing else.

[Germany (DoE)]

I am sorry for being so unavailable lately but I have been called in on a major project at work till June 30.

[Germany (DoE)]

I agree with Israel that a neutral sub take over Arabia asap.

[Aztecs (DoE)]

The 1st Coalition War.

composed of:
The 1st Coalition War - The African & Middle Eastern campaign
The 1st Coalition War - The Brittish campaign
The 1st Coalition War - The European campaign



You forgot the Australian campaign, and the Japanese-English conflict.

Well then it's closer to a World War then I realized..

[France (DoE)]

Playing now. If this is a major problem, then RP can reload. My main 'war' contact is with the English, so hopefully this should not be an issue with Russia. I trust Russia not to use its double move to any strategic advantage.

I have played. Did not see any Russian units so should be OK. If it is an issue, please contact RP for a reload and I can replay. Cheers!

[Inca (DoE)]

(we haven't seen a world war yet..)

The 1st Coalition War.

composed of:
The 1st Coalition War - The African & Middle Eastern campaign
The 1st Coalition War - The Brittish campaign
The 1st Coalition War - The European campaign

You forgot the Australian campaign, and the Japanese-English conflict.

[France (DoE)]

Playing now. If this is a major problem, then RP can reload. My main 'war' contact is with the English, so hopefully this should not be an issue with Russia. I trust Russia not to use its double move to any strategic advantage.

[France (DoE)]

France, I will need to play in 8 hours from now. If you will not have enough time to play after this, you, or someone who is reading this can go on and pause the game right away, so you to have more time to play your turn. I will be most probably stuck in a diplo-screen as usually, so I will also need someone to unpause the game for me, as I will have only half an hour or so window to play my turn.

Or I will play my turn and pause the game for you if you prefer this.

Thanks for the understanding to all the other players.

Question - will it make a difference if I play first for this turn only? I will be asleep in 6 hours (given that I am just reading this now.) So if it is not feasible given the game situation that I play before you, then we will need something done, as that essentially gives me the last two hours of a 24 hour turn timer to play.

[Robert]

Inca subs for Arabia now.

[Russia (DoE)]

France, I will need to play in 8 hours from now. If you will not have enough time to play after this, you, or someone who is reading this can go on and pause the game right away, so you to have more time to play your turn. I will be most probably stuck in a diplo-screen as usually, so I will also need someone to unpause the game for me, as I will have only half an hour or so window to play my turn.

Or I will play my turn and pause the game for you if you prefer this.

Thanks for the understanding to all the other players.

[France (DoE)]

Damn bots.

We in France see it more from a time perspective - we have been at war for a long time - sort of like the historical 100 Years War between France and England (actually 113 years I think). Hence, my suggestion of the Millenium War. Or better yet - War of the Ages.

[Aztecs (DoE)]

(we haven't seen a world war yet..)

The 1st Coalition War.

composed of:
The 1st Coalition War - The African & Middle Eastern campaign
The 1st Coalition War - The Brittish campaign
The 1st Coalition War - The European campaign

[France (DoE)]

What exactly is the name of the most current conflict anyway?

The Millennium War.

[Inca (DoE)]

The war isn't only occurring in Africa...

I can sub, as always.

[Israel (DoE)]

@OzzyKP: according to rule 5b it is not allowed to let Russia sub.

Regarding the name of the war, what about "The Shoah" ?