Destiny of Empires [Diplo Game] [Organization Thread]

[England (DoE)]

[Germany (DoE)]

I refuse to read French posts until the name of my kingdom is corrected!

Damnanglais subversions of French thinking

[The Priest]

I think it is being discussed in the Org thread because some of us expressed a concern that China and Russia appeared to be focused on pursuing sensible in-game tactics for them, regardless of whether this crippled Mongolia permanently. I have no independent knowledge of whether this is what is happening. I trust that it is not.

[China (DoE)]

Why are we discussing this in the Organisation thread?

Since you asked though, no, China does not accept your terms. We have not even brought our punishment for your slaughter of our troops yet.

Get ready, it's coming.

[Mongolia (DoE)]

Now I think you can build only archers and thats why you came to talk about peace at last.

I still have horses available and enough melee units to act as a defence to my Keshiks against spearman, so I have no urgency for peace.
All the items I listed as part of a peace agreement for you are independent of suggestions for China, so your thoughts or response to or acceptance of individual points would be useful.

[Robert]

Game's up again

[Russia (DoE)]

Until now I kept all the diplomacy and negotiations in private, but when Mongolia brings the debate here, I will do the same.

Its interesting how everyone interprets one and the same facts.

Russia razed Beshbalik, that was because my reinforcements were guaranteed to recapture it next turn

That is true, and thats why I kept the game 7 hours running with the window asking me to raze or keep the city open, waiting for you to say will you agree to peace or not. When you did not took the peace, it was necessary to raze the city. And it was not to hurt you, but there are the 2 strategic resources, which would let you to continue the war. Now I think you can build only archers and thats why you came to talk about peace at last.

Now he wants as part of a peace agreement the resurrection of Beshbalik under Russian control

I dont want resurection of Beshbalik - it was badly placed city.

I have resecured the terrain around the city

You have only 1 unit there and no possibility to reinforce, quicker than me - your army is badly wounded and healing in your capital, fearing to come out, so resecuring is a strong word. It is just your unit is the last standing man there for this moment.

Razing a city deliberately, then asking for its resurrection under their control, surely that is not the way this game should be played

I wanted the city to be resurrected, IF you take peace and to use it as a bargaining chip. I dont even like the city as I said. Now the city is gone and I have just suffer losses - no gains.

Can we unpause now please?
I can't see any reason to debate any further?

I wanted the pause only to have time to discuss possible reload where Beshbalik is still alive, but now when Mongolia says it is thinking of rebuilding it, the pause is no longer needed.

I will negotiate peace terms with Mongolia separately, as I dont want to make it harder for coordinate the wishes of 3 countries. 2 nations negotiating is simpler.

[Germany (DoE)]

Can we unpause now please?

I can't see any reason to debate any further?

[Japan (DoE)]

The game has been paused to deal with the Mongolia/Russia situation.

I don't hope that Russia decided to not hold the city b/c he wasn't allowed to b/c of 'unmeasured war'. That would not be the case.
IMHO does Mongolia have every right to be unreasonable hatred and refuse any peace.
I understood from Russia that Japan is not a factual part in this game.

I would have been sooner if i would have gotten on.

[Mongolia (DoE)]

Russia and China, I offer you this deal.
1. I rebuild a city on Beshbalik, my capital is far too exposed if I do not have that city.
2. I assume Russia wants it for the Horse resource, if so I will trade Horses to Russia while peace remains.
3. Russia can build a city on Pacific ocean, but I must have space to build one there too. ( I have no map of area, so details must be sorted out, Probably Russian city to the north of mine.
4. Return of workers Russia have captured.
5. China and myself retain existing borders, I capture 1 barb city to SE of one we fought over (China has 2 other barb cities to the south it can conquer for expansion.
6. I can build East but not South of that barb city, China has all land to the Sout of that latitude.
Considering Russia has failed to maintain a military presence within my lands I believe my offer to be very generous. With China it basically maintains the status quo. With only minor skirmishes, no reason for the status quo to change.

[Mongolia (DoE)]

I don't hope that Russia decided to not hold the city b/c he wasn't allowed to b/c of 'unmeasured war'. That would not be the case.

There is only one reason why Russia razed Beshbalik, that was because my reinforcements were guaranteed to recapture it next turn, all but one badly weakened unit died in the assault on the city. Now he wants as part of a peace agreement the resurrection of Beshbalik under Russian control, this request really seems outside the spirit of the game and unreasonable since I have resecured the terrain around the city, with the killing of his remaining troops there. Razing a city deliberately, then asking for its resurrection under their control, surely that is not the way this game should be played. Seems to be a tactic to force a quick peace agreemnet rather than playing in the rules of the game. Consequently I cannot accept any offer that includes Beshballik, I will rebuild a city there.

[Robert]

The game has been paused to deal with the Mongolia/Russia situation.

I don't hope that Russia decided to not hold the city b/c he wasn't allowed to b/c of 'unmeasured war'. That would not be the case.
IMHO does Mongolia have every right to be unreasonable hatred and refuse any peace.
I understood from Russia that Japan is not a factual part in this game.

[Inca (DoE)]

Language Points Awarded: [Germany]

Before
Capacas: 0 pts
Manchas: 0 pts
Talchas: 0 pts
Gaucanas: 0 pts

Now
Capacas: 3 pts
Manchas: 0 pts
Talchas: 0 pts
Gaucanas: 0 pts


The Numbers:
15 sentence communication / 3 * 1pt /2 (excom ship) = 2.5, rounded = 3pts
Language: Capacas

Capabilities:
Talchas:
1-letter words
Simple tense verbs

Remember also we have had open borders for a while now. That gives language points too, right?

Yes. Our scout connected with one of your cities/trade routes about two turns ago. This is the point where the timer starts. I think you'll be at five letter words and continuous tenses when I update yours next, which is fairly fluent. More fluent than our ancient neighbors, actually For the open borders, you will be awarded language points in the language of any city that trades with one of yours and the closest city(s) to your(s).

Note: the person you talk to can also only understand the level of language you can understand.

[Robert]

For in-character conflicts I do not think that a pause or a reload is acceptable.
I made a save for the case that your pc would crash.

time is moving on, that sucks, but that's a part of life.... in character life.

[Germany (DoE)]

Anyway... I've got am important sermon coming up tomorrow... ooopS!!