Destiny of Empires [Diplo Game] [Organization Thread]

[Germany (DoE)]

Since this delay is ongoing and Germany has just declared war* I need to ask that when the game resumes it needs to be on a 12 hour timer for the current turn to ensure turn order and that turns are taken.

* see story thread

[Robert]

For the record;
One party may claim that his opponent is playing with game-technical purposes in mind, and not role playing, the other party denies that. I just wanted to draw out the reason for the request for CTT. If these reasons are valid or not is not up to me.

[America (DoE)]

I'm no historian, but I am not sure the argument that diplomacy did not exist in the 3rd millennium BCE is valid. I am not sure why a hallmark of human interaction (alliance forming, cooperation, etc) would not exist in this period of human history, as I would assume it has existed (at smaller scales) at all times that humans have. There may not be much of a record of it in prehistory, but that's likely due to that lack of records in general. One would hope those ancients would have not been so lazy and made records of such important events regardless of their inability to develop a basic writing system, but alas they just had better things to do I guess.

I agree, and I have to add that a diplo game is also about rewriting history, which is fun to do I don't think alliances are very far-fetched. Though if the civs involved live very far from each other, then there would have to be some kind of really awesome story in the story thread to explain such an alliance, otherwise it would seem a bit weak. To me, the last thing a diplo game is about, is trying to win, so such an alliance and an early war would have to be completely in line with what happened in the story thread before I would even consider declaring war. My point is that if something in the story line happened that would cause me to make myself lose a war even though I could win it purely by game mechanics, I would chose to lose; this game is about awesome writing and seeing those things played out in the game, which gives a real kick if everybody does it right. The kick of winning a war is peanuts compared to that.

But, I'm not completely familiar with the situation, these are just the thoughts that popped into my head after reading RP's post, which seems to hint at people playing for the win instead of for the fun. If that's true, that would be bad

EDIT: I am of course not in Europe, where I can imagine things are more tense. So an early war could very well be legitimate. Not judging anyone's actions here

[Israel (DoE)]

Is this about Egypt? Did we do anything wrong?
Is anybody also angry at me?
Please don't be angry at Egypt, we are very nice people. I am sorry if I broke some rule.
It was not my purpose to start a conflict.
We will do anything to make up.

Please!?!

[2metraninja]

At first, I also thought that alliances were common in the 3000 BC, but after short research I found this:

Hittites
(1650-1200 B.C.) contributions to Civilization
a. Iron manufacture
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they kept this technology secret until their decline. b. Horses
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they may have introduced the horse to Asia Minor c. System of law
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based on payment for damages rather than harsh punishments
of Hammurabi’s code.
d. Treaties
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creating alliances allowed for expanding and securing territories with less warfare.

Although the Summerians had a word for "Alliance" in the 3000 BC. KATARU (to make an alliance).

The map knowledge abusing is not good, but inevitable to some extent.

[Robert]

The diplomacy part is my interpretation. Reading it again now, and it's not really there (in the PM I got).

[DNK]

I'm no historian, but I am not sure the argument that diplomacy did not exist in the 3rd millennium BCE is valid. I am not sure why a hallmark of human interaction (alliance forming, cooperation, etc) would not exist in this period of human history, as I would assume it has existed (at smaller scales) at all times that humans have. There may not be much of a record of it in prehistory, but that's likely due to that lack of records in general. One would hope those ancients would have not been so lazy and made records of such important events regardless of their inability to develop a basic writing system, but alas they just had better things to do I guess.

[Germany (DoE)]

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[Robert]

Some more information about the pause;

A civ asked for Cold Turkey Time.
Someone PM'ed me to inform me that not many rules are written about this. That is true.
I do not know if it is possible to write much rules about it. It's main purpose, let everybody calm down, may have to be achieved in a different manner every time.

It is good to note though that this time can't be used to get a diplomatical advantage.
Therefore I ask all parties to stop negotiating in the background.
This is an OOC thing that's needed to 'save' the game from ooc conflicts.

The reason that people asked for this CTT is that they got the idea that the actions of other players are not inspired by 'leading civs as real leaders' but by game technical purposes, abusing knowledge about the map that their IC leaders can't have yet. And alliances are a bit out of character that early in the game, where diplomacy yet has to be invented.
All my words, not theirs.

Do not respond to this yet!
I'll let the CTT involved parties be anonymous. (at least for now).
Just letting you all know what's going on.

Thanks for asking for CTT and accepting CTT.
It's now important that everybody has the spirit to get it solved.
More to follow. (I'll try to communicate a bit behind the scenes) (buwhahaha)

[Robert]

Game has been paused

[Germany (DoE)]

Also, PYT is wrong. grunzen logged out ages ago.

Not sure if people can connect?

[Germany (DoE)]

neandor and gauls are technically at war.

whether fighting occurs is subject to three way negotiations.

current timer is alright for me.

[America (DoE)]

Cool, thanks!

[Robert]

Press "Go Advanced" just below the Quick Reply box. There you can click "Manage Attachments" where you can upload attachments and use them.

[America (DoE)]

Quick question: I noticed that Egypt and Germany managed to upload pictures to the site, but when I try to click on Diplo gaming attachments, I get an error:

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How did you manage to upload anyway Egypt and Germany, where do you do it?